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mullokintyre · 13 January 2023

The current and soon to be former NSW premier has been shafted by someone in his own party (again), after it was revealed that one of his ministers bought up the issue of him dressing as a Nazi at a fancy dress party 20 years ago.
from ABC News

NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet says he remains confident in his political position, as a storm sparked by revelations he wore a Nazi uniform to his 21st birthday party intensifies.

Mr Perrottet fronted reporters today at Ryde Hospital, in Sydney's north, after yesterday admitting he rented and donned the outfit in 2003.

While the premier said several colleagues had contacted him overnight to offer their support, it has been revealed the issue first came to light when Transport Minister David Elliott raised it.

The pair's relationship has been strained in recent weeks over the NSW government's plans to introduce a cashless gaming card in a bid to help curb problem gambling and money laundering in pubs and clubs.

Mr Elliott, who is not contesting March's state election for the Liberal Party, has been critical of the plan, and phoned the Premier on Tuesday night to raise the Nazi costume issue.

Politics, it seems that it consistently attracts ar$holes, crooks, egotists and liars.
And of course people who dress up inapropriately.
Mick

sptrawler · 13 January 2023

mullokintyre said:
Politics, it seems that it consistently attracts ar$holes, crooks, egotists and liars.
And of course people who dress up inapropriately.
Mick

My sentiments exactly, just shows how immoral they all are IMO, one for lack of respect for wearing the uniform and the other for lack of loyalty to their fellow politician by running off at the mouth about something someone did years ago.
Just a cesspit of extremely unattractive, self serving, personalities IMO.
The old saying of you need an extremely thick hide to be a politician, needs to be updated to include and a shonky moral compass IMO.
The whole system is full of wretched people, becoming wretched ghosts IMO. ?

The Triangle · 13 January 2023

sptrawler said:
My sentiments exactly, just shows how immoral they all are IMO, one for lack of respect for wearing the uniform and the other for lack of loyalty to their fellow politician by running off at the mouth about something someone did years ago.
Just a cesspit of extremely unattractive, self serving, personalities IMO.
The old saying of you need an extremely thick hide to be a politician, needs to be updated to include and a shonky moral compass IMO.
The whole system is full of wretched people, becoming wretched ghosts IMO. ?

I can remember at least of 15-30 people in my life I've seen dressed up, in their 20s, in a nazi/german/hitler war uniform at some form of costume or Halloween party.

As the kids say nowadays, this is a nothingburger. And we're talking about something he did 20 years ago.

InsvestoBoy · 13 January 2023

sptrawler said:
My sentiments exactly, just shows how immoral they all are IMO, one for lack of respect for wearing the uniform and the other for lack of loyalty to their fellow politician by running off at the mouth about something someone did years ago.

This isn't just some politician running off at the mouth about another politician.

This is David Elliott doing the dirty work of Clubs NSW because Perrottet is daring to show some spine against them.

Not a ghost. A ghoul.

NSW Election 2023

Not a good start for Perrotet, but I guess he was young and we all make mistakes. :laugh: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/dominic-perrottet-apologises-for-wearing-nazi-costume-to-21st/101849280

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sptrawler · 13 January 2023

InsvestoBoy said:
This isn't just some politician running off at the mouth about another politician.

This is David Elliott doing the dirty work of Clubs NSW because Perrottet is daring to show some spine against them.

Not a ghost. A ghoul.

NSW Election 2023

Not a good start for Perrotet, but I guess he was young and we all make mistakes. :laugh: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/dominic-perrottet-apologises-for-wearing-nazi-costume-to-21st/101849280

www.aussiestockforums.com

I don't follow NSW politics, but from the outside looking in, it is pretty poor form to be throwing people under a bus like that. IMO
No one likes people who show no loyalty, it just reflects badly on all politicians, it wont be long before politicians have to give cockroach baits a wide berth IMO.
They are starting to look like bottom feeders, they are starting to make used car salespeople and real estate agents look like saints. Lol

basilio · 13 January 2023

Alleluia, alleluia. Rejoice. It seems the (alleged) passing of Cardinal Pell was altogether too hasty.

We may yet hear from the most Venerable old bugger again...

High Court overturns George Pell’s death

Millions of Australians were today devastated /delighted to learn that George Pell’s death has been annulled and he will be released back into the living immediately. The decision comes after an appeal was lodged by the Catholic Church.

The Church, known for its litigious nature, argued there was no proof Pell had actually died. “Apart from a body and a death certificate, there is no solid evidence at all. It is a classic he said/she said situation,” lawyers for the Church argued.
The High Court said it was forced to overturn the death on the technicality. “We understand this is a disappointing development for many Australians,” the Court said in a statement.

George Pell’s funeral will not be held until the appeals process is concluded.

More to come

High Court overturns George Pell’s death — The Shovel

“We understand this is deeply disappointing for millions of Australians"

www.theshovel.com.au

basilio · 13 January 2023

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SirRumpole · 13 January 2023

The Triangle said:
I can remember at least of 15-30 people in my life I've seen dressed up, in their 20s, in a nazi/german/hitler war uniform at some form of costume or Halloween party.

As the kids say nowadays, this is a nothingburger. And we're talking about something he did 20 years ago.

It is a nothingburger to most people apart from Jews who take this sort of thing very seriously.

Whether it will be an electoral liability depends on how much influence Jews have on the election.

I fancy the NSW Libs may face a drop in donations to their coffers..

Smurf1976 · 13 January 2023

The Triangle said:
I can remember at least of 15-30 people in my life I've seen dressed up, in their 20s, in a nazi/german/hitler war uniform at some form of costume or Halloween party.

Nazis and Hitler have long been fair game for ridiculing and dressing up as. The whole thing's been milked to death by comedians for half a century now.

Nothing even slightly radical here and it's a complete non-issue in my view.

I'd be more worried if he was preaching religion or was charged with drink driving. Both of those ought rule someone out of contention in my view but dressing up 20 years ago, yeah whatever. I'll excuse his failing to foresee how easily offended society would be in 2023.

mullokintyre · 20 January 2023

There is a push in some circles for Tony Abbott to be installed as the replacement for the recently deceased Jim Molan.
The fact that an ousted politician would even be considered shows the narrow thinking of the (mostly male) liberal party.
What has Abott got to offer, apart from becoming the Liberal version of Kristine Keneally?
Other candidates include the CEO of catholic Schools NSW, Dallas McInerny,
There are a host of female liberal women who could be selected- Natalie Ward, the most senior women in the NSW state cabinet, Melanie Gibson who lost her endorsement in Holdsworthy in a factional deal, or maybe go for someone who is not a political staffer, or merely worked the numbers in the NSW liberal party.
Go tap the shoulders of someone who has run a business, had to work to make money under Government regulations.
Though i suppose those sort of people would be reluctant to lower their standards to become a politician.
mick

PZ99 · 20 January 2023

I'm surprised they aren't approaching Josh Frydenberg given the esteem they have for him.

Last I heard about Abbott he was working with the FUD spreaders known as Advance Australia - that's where he belongs

sptrawler · 20 January 2023

mullokintyre said:
There is a push in some circles for Tony Abbott to be installed as the replacement for the recently deceased Jim Molan.
The fact that an ousted politician would even be considered shows the narrow thinking of the (mostly male) liberal party.
What has Abott got to offer, apart from becoming the Liberal version of Kristine Keneally?
Other candidates include the CEO of catholic Schools NSW, Dallas McInerny,
There are a host of female liberal women who could be selected- Natalie Ward, the most senior women in the NSW state cabinet, Melanie Gibson who lost her endorsement in Holdsworthy in a factional deal, or maybe go for someone who is not a political staffer, or merely worked the numbers in the NSW liberal party.
Go tap the shoulders of someone who has run a business, had to work to make money under Government regulations.
Though i suppose those sort of people would be reluctant to lower their standards to become a politician.
mick

The only ones that would benefit from Abbott being installed would be the media, they would have a field day, couldn't be them pushing the suggestion could it?

mullokintyre · 20 January 2023

PZ99 said:
I'm surprised they aren't approaching Josh Frydenberg given the esteem they have for him.

Last I heard about Abbott he was working with the FUD spreaders known as Advance Australia - that's where he belongs

Frydenberg is from Victoria, he has no chance.
Kroger from Victoria was one of the first to call for Abbott, the NSW response to him was to worry about the debacle in Victorian Liberal Politics before sticking his nose in NSW.
So the chance of a Victorian being installed as a NSW senator is less than zero.
mick

SirRumpole · 22 January 2023

Government's gas price caps working ?

We can only hope.

Power costs to rise less than expected: Treasury

Wholesale electricity costs should rise by less than half of earlier price spike predictions following government intervention

thenewdaily.com.au

mullokintyre · 22 January 2023

It seems that Nine entertainment, the AGE and the SMH may have had to sell out a few shelkels for a hatcet job on a liberal power broker.
From The Evil Murdoch empire

Nine Entertainment has settled a defamation lawsuit with former Victorian Liberal Party powerbroker and vice-president Marcus Bastiaan, which included a payout worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and the removal of dozens of articles and social media posts.
Mr Bastiaan launched legal proceedings against Nine Entertainment (the owner of the Nine Network, The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald) following a 60 Minutes expose led by reporter Nick McKenzie that aired on the prime-time program on August 23, 2020.

It claimed Mr Bastiaan was involved in Liberal Party branch-stacking in Victoria – which he vehemently denied – and he later launched legal action in the Federal Court.
Court documents submitted during the proceedings stated that Nine falsely claimed Mr Bastiaan was a “corrupt branch-stacking co-ordinator” who “blatantly abused the rules of office” and had “committed criminal offences in his corrupt activities”.

The ongoing court proceedings eventually led to mediation being held between the parties. Nearly 18 months on, Nine agreed last week to remove up to 30 pieces of content from its websites relating to the branch-stacking allegations.
Nine has also agreed to pay an undisclosed sum understood to be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to Mr Bastiaan, which includes funds to cover some of his legal costs.

Mr Bastiaan said he was “satisfied” with the legal action.

Not being a TV watcher, I had not seen the episode in Question, and now mot likely to.
However, despite coming from Victoria, I also have to admit to never heard of Mr Bastian, so i don't know how devastating the report may have been.
But I am sure the lawyers from both parties will have welcomed the initiation of legal proceedings, along with their dissolution.
Mick

SirRumpole · 23 January 2023

Good analysis of the fortunes of the Federal Liberal Party.

The Liberal Party – a retirement village for male baby boomers

The Liberal Party is not only seen as having no answer, it’s seen as part of the problem, writes Alan Kohler.

thenewdaily.com.au

mullokintyre · 23 January 2023

SirRumpole said:
Good analysis of the fortunes of the Federal Liberal Party.

The Liberal Party – a retirement village for male baby boomers

The Liberal Party is not only seen as having no answer, it’s seen as part of the problem, writes Alan Kohler.

thenewdaily.com.au

I would accept that analysis, providing of course others accept the analysis that the the Labour party is a retirement village for Union reps.
Mick

SirRumpole · 23 January 2023

mullokintyre said:
I would accept that analysis, providing of course others accept the analysis that the the Labour party is a retirement village for Union reps.
Mick

Probably true, but Labor is in government and looks to be for some time as the Libs are out of touch with mainstream sentiment.

wayneL · 23 January 2023

I don't think it is clear cut as Kohler is presenting. As an ex Liberal voter, I see a party in complete disarray, not even knowing what they want to be ideologically anymore.

They're not conservatives.
They're not classical liberals

They have utterly failed to formulate and represent their position to the electorate (haha what position?).

The point about housing for millennials is a good one but I don't see either party actually addressing that in any sense whatsoever. Labor Party politicians are property investors as well and they will do nothing for housing affordability.

The Liberal Party has to regroup, figure out what sort of party they are and not try to be labor light.

mullokintyre · 23 January 2023

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The analysis of either party stays true whether the party is in government or not.
Mick

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