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SirRumpole said:
When you say "difficult", do you just mean "expensive" or is there something else ?
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From car rego, to starting a business. Even hospital visits. It's not just expense, but the multifaceted paper pushing and time wasting. Even the difficulty in getting a job.
The money is what makes australia attractive. I would also say you rights as a citizen, but many foreigners are treated as second class.
 
moXJO said:
From car rego, to starting a business. Even hospital visits. It's not just expense, but the multifaceted paper pushing and time wasting. Even the difficulty in getting a job.
The money is what makes australia attractive. I would also say you rights as a citizen, but many foreigners are treated as second class.
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Australia is a breeze for paper pushing compared to China....not that it would make a fair comparison, just saying...
 
It shows how poor a state Australian politics is in, Keating is getting more airplay now, than he has had in the last 20 years.

Everyone wants to talk about anything, but the reality of our predicament.:D

Australians just want to hear, there there everything will be o.k, well it won't.IMO:xyxthumbs

All hands on deck, is the call of the day. IMO :D:D:D
 
sptrawler said:
It shows how poor a state Australian politics is in, Keating is getting more airplay now, than he has had in the last 20 years.

Everyone wants to talk about anything, but the reality of our predicament.:D

Australians just want to hear, there there everything will be o.k, well it won't.IMO:xyxthumbs

All hands on deck, is the call of the day. IMO :D:D:D
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There there, she'll be right mate. :D
 
sptrawler said:
You think so.:D

Thank god, that makes me feel better.:xyxthumbs
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Oh you were saying that's what we want to hear and I thought to ablige :)

It is what we make it, no? People power?

Alright alright, we're stuffed. It'll be like the 1930s real soon.

Our guardian big brother is about to elect either a racist right-wing nut job or a technically criminal war hawk nut job as president. That tend to never end well.

On top of that its domestic condition is anything but bliss; On its foreign policy side, it tend to know no borders and fighting a few wars here there and everywhere. So big brother has got his hands a bit full. Which kinda throw out the need for us to always follow its wars, open our bases for its use, and might not be receiving much dividends this time round.

This time round we got a serious Asian giant hungry for water, fuel and could do with a lot of land nearby its new frontiers - something we have loads of and not knowing what to do with really.

If the Asian Hordes and other barbarians aren't the problem, we got our own Masters of War and Master of Man pitting its own people against another, beggaring its own population in the service of the Masters of the Universe. And does it while destroying the planet too.

I'd be busy building bomb shelters about now... maybe tomorrow :)
 
luutzu said:
Oh you were saying that's what we want to hear and I thought to ablige :)

It is what we make it, no? People power?

Alright alright, we're stuffed. It'll be like the 1930s real soon.
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It won't be like the 1930's, it will be like the 1980's.:D
 
SirRumpole said:
Business lobby outgunned by trade unions, left-wing think tanks: Menzies Research Centre

I wonder why that is. Maybe because 'Left' groups represent 'ordinary' voters, while 'Right' groups represent the already rich wanting to get richer but not prepared to employ their own consumers ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-...bby-now-outgunned-by-left-wing-groups/8095274
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I think it's more that the LNP politicians are unable to draw the bow long enough to accommodate the lunacy of some neo liberal policies coming from their twisted hate filled comrades :- they just can't bring themselves to believe the hyperbole .... no one (intelligent) can.
 
SirRumpole said:
Business lobby outgunned by trade unions, left-wing think tanks: Menzies Research Centre

I wonder why that is. Maybe because 'Left' groups represent 'ordinary' voters, while 'Right' groups represent the already rich wanting to get richer but not prepared to employ their own consumers ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-...bby-now-outgunned-by-left-wing-groups/8095274
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It is because the west had been infected with virtuopathy, which plays to the left.

Wanna see the extreme manifestation of this insidious psychopathological malady? Travel with me in the horsiverse a few days.
 
I was going to open a separate thread for this, but this thread is probably apt.

it's actually half question, half comment. the mainstream press, particularily the ABC, seem to be using populism or the word populist as a pejorative term.

is it such a sin to be seen as representing the views of the majority of people? Vis a vis, populist?
 
wayneL said:
I was going to open a separate thread for this, but this thread is probably apt.

it's actually half question, half comment. the mainstream press, particularily the ABC, seem to be using populism or the word populist as a pejorative term.

is it such a sin to be seen as representing the views of the majority of people? Vis a vis, populist?
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Yes, especially with regard what is happening in Europe right now.
They should be using the word demagogue - a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.

However, I don't think it is as simple as that in reality. People are sick of the left right straight jacket and their fears not being addressed.
 
So you think these clowns should enforce what "they " think it's good for us?

I have never actually noticed any such superiority of judgement.
 
wayneL said:
is it such a sin to be seen as representing the views of the majority of people? Vis a vis, populist?
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Populism isn't necessarily about the 'majority' (not to say that it can't be).

Generally populism is a movement against the ruling class or perceived (political) elites based on concerns that their ideas/ideals are not based on what is good for the people as a whole, but what is good for the ruling class. There is usually a disconnect between the people outside of the ruling class believing they need (more) control over government, in contrast to the ruling class having too much or total control over it.

I don't think there is really an answer to your question, other than it depends; sometimes Populist movements have good ideas, sometimes they don't. Same for governments.

However, I don't think there is any difference in an underlying idea just because a Populist movement comes up with it.
 
Knobby22 said:
However, I don't think it is as simple as that in reality. People are sick of the left right straight jacket and their fears not being addressed.
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Trump actually crosses the boundaries of Left and Right, at least in his speech, his actions remain to be seen.

Conservatives (Republicans) are usually the champions of free enterprise and open competition, but Trump is proposing a closed economy and high tariffs. So in a sense he is a populist giving people what they think they want, even if these policies lead to retaliation by other countries resulting in less US trade and therefore less jobs in export industries.
 

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