Australian Politics General...

[SirRumpole]

I see both sides of this one.

On one hand I'm not keen on gambling ads. It ruins many lives.

On the other hand broadcast TV is already a clearly struggling industry well past its glory days. To the point that I'll pose a question:

When does one of the three commercial networks pull the pin and cease operations entirely? The entire industry's contracting indeed it already is a shadow of what it once was in terms of physical resources and facilities. Just about all of them have moved from their historic studio locations to somewhere much smaller and cheaper.

All that's left is to close outright - indeed in the regions that's starting to happen it seems, 10 is now gone in Mildura for example. Gone, kaput, no such thing anymore.

So whilst I'm not keen on gambling ads, I do see some definite counpresumaterarguments with this one.

Well I guess we have to ask, if commercial TV is folding, is it because they are just not giving the public what they want anymore? In other words it's up to the networks to look at their product and why their competitors are succeeding and they are not and to take action accordingly .

Presumably a ban on gambling ads would apply to all media, streaming services included, so it should be a level playing field as far as that goes

 

[sptrawler]

Well I guess we have to ask, if commercial TV is folding, is it because they are just not giving the public what they want anymore? In other words it's up to the networks to look at their product and why their competitors are succeeding and they are not and to take action accordingly .

Presumably a ban on gambling ads would apply to all media, streaming services included, so it should be a level playing field as far as that goes

It isn't only free to air tv that has the problem, talking to my 14 year old grandson, he says that gambling ads annoy the hell out of him on the computer games and his parent doesn't have free to air tv.
So I really cant see it actually changing any time soon.
The other issues of course is, the Governments get a lot of tax from gambling, drinking and smoking, so they aren't going to be hugely keen on seeing that diminish too much. Lol

 

[SirRumpole]

The other issues of course is, the Governments get a lot of tax from gambling, drinking and smoking, so they aren't going to be hugely keen on seeing that diminish too much. Lol

Well, as macca said, gamblers, smokers and drinkers will please themselves regardless of advertising, the point is not to indoctrinate kids into thinking that these things are 'good' for them, they all need to be looked at through 'mature' eyes, even though a lot of adults can't do that themselves.

 

[mullokintyre]

 

[Smurf1976]

Well I guess we have to ask, if commercial TV is folding, is it because they are just not giving the public what they want anymore?

Realistically it's in the same category as newspapers, any physical music media, even books or cinemas.

Something that if it didn't already exist would never get off the ground as a new thing today. It's only cultural and physical entrenchment that has kept them around at all up to this point. Slowly but surely however they're on the way out.

TV is dying a slow death. Viewer numbers are slowly dropping off and advertising revenue is likewise moving away as a result.

The big TV networks have over the past ~15 years mostly abandoned their historic studio locations in favour of much smaller, cheaper accommodation just as newspapers have mostly abandoned their once prestigious CBD locations in favour of now quite small facilities.

Looking at Google street view, there's still old signage paying tribute to the history of the Channel 9 site in Melbourne but that's it, the site has been completely out of use for TV purposes for years now. Some buildings remain, others have been demolished, but the current use is now residential.

Same with the ABC even, they've certainly consolidated. A look at the signage out the front of the ABC building in Hobart, purpose built during the 1980's and originally occupied entirely by the ABC, says it all: https://www.google.com/maps/@-42.87...i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&coh=205409&entry=ttu

Yep, two commercial TV networks renting space from the ABC and they've still got enough left to have an assortment of charities and medical organisations using the rest.

Ultimately big budget media is in structural decline. Newspapers, TV, even the music industry has very few truly big artists these days. What's replacing it is a huge increase in content volume but it's much more cheaply produced and seen by far fewer people.

I'm not arguing that TV ought be propped up, but I do see an issue in that any forced loss of advertising will hasten the demise of something that's already in difficulty but which does remain relevant to a portion of the community.

But then I do see a big problem with gambling, it ruins many and the proliferation of pokies has done an awful lot of damage in society. If it were up to me, I'd restrict pokies to casinos only and I'd go back to enforcing formal dress as a requirement to enter. That was imperfect as an approach but there's some logic to it - most people aren't randomly walking past a casino in formal attire, it turns it into a very conscious decision to go there and one that requires some effort.

Also location. If there's one planning thing I really dislike in Adelaide, it's having a casino literally right next to the CBD railway station. In other words, right next to a place where a lot of people, including those less well off, will be going to out of necessity and often with time to spare whilst waiting for the next train. An evil place for a casino.

I'm arguing there's two sides to it basically.

 

[farmerge]

Realistically it's in the same category as newspapers, any physical music media, even books or cinemas.

Something that if it didn't already exist would never get off the ground as a new thing today. It's only cultural and physical entrenchment that has kept them around at all up to this point. Slowly but surely however they're on the way out.

TV is dying a slow death. Viewer numbers are slowly dropping off and advertising revenue is likewise moving away as a result.

The big TV networks have over the past ~15 years mostly abandoned their historic studio locations in favour of much smaller, cheaper accommodation just as newspapers have mostly abandoned their once prestigious CBD locations in favour of now quite small facilities.

Looking at Google street view, there's still old signage paying tribute to the history of the Channel 9 site in Melbourne but that's it, the site has been completely out of use for TV purposes for years now. Some buildings remain, others have been demolished, but the current use is now residential.

Same with the ABC even, they've certainly consolidated. A look at the signage out the front of the ABC building in Hobart, purpose built during the 1980's and originally occupied entirely by the ABC, says it all: https://www.google.com/maps/@-42.87...i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&coh=205409&entry=ttu

Yep, two commercial TV networks renting space from the ABC and they've still got enough left to have an assortment of charities and medical organisations using the rest.

Ultimately big budget media is in structural decline. Newspapers, TV, even the music industry has very few truly big artists these days. What's replacing it is a huge increase in content volume but it's much more cheaply produced and seen by far fewer people.

I'm not arguing that TV ought be propped up, but I do see an issue in that any forced loss of advertising will hasten the demise of something that's already in difficulty but which does remain relevant to a portion of the community.

But then I do see a big problem with gambling, it ruins many and the proliferation of pokies has done an awful lot of damage in society. If it were up to me, I'd restrict pokies to casinos only and I'd go back to enforcing formal dress as a requirement to enter. That was imperfect as an approach but there's some logic to it - most people aren't randomly walking past a casino in formal attire, it turns it into a very conscious decision to go there and one that requires some effort.

Also location. If there's one planning thing I really dislike in Adelaide, it's having a casino literally right next to the CBD railway station. In other words, right next to a place where a lot of people, including those less well off, will be going to out of necessity and often with time to spare whilst waiting for the next train. An evil place for a casino.

I'm arguing there's two sides to it basically.

Not a fan of casinos full stop. Have seen first hand the devastation they cause.
TV free to air is a joke.
Apart from the very limited broadcasts each week and a couple of game shows that we watch, the rest is absolute rubbish.
Ch 9 moved from its Tuart Hill location after being there for yonks into St Geo's Tce here in Perth a few years ago.
Shows a good view of the Eastern Hills vista at times from their lofty height when Tommo is reading the news.

 

[SirRumpole]

Realistically it's in the same category as newspapers, any physical music media, even books or cinemas.

Something that if it didn't already exist would never get off the ground as a new thing today. It's only cultural and physical entrenchment that has kept them around at all up to this point. Slowly but surely however they're on the way out.

TV is dying a slow death. Viewer numbers are slowly dropping off and advertising revenue is likewise moving away as a result.

The big TV networks have over the past ~15 years mostly abandoned their historic studio locations in favour of much smaller, cheaper accommodation just as newspapers have mostly abandoned their once prestigious CBD locations in favour of now quite small facilities.

Looking at Google street view, there's still old signage paying tribute to the history of the Channel 9 site in Melbourne but that's it, the site has been completely out of use for TV purposes for years now. Some buildings remain, others have been demolished, but the current use is now residential.

Same with the ABC even, they've certainly consolidated. A look at the signage out the front of the ABC building in Hobart, purpose built during the 1980's and originally occupied entirely by the ABC, says it all: https://www.google.com/maps/@-42.87...i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&coh=205409&entry=ttu

Yep, two commercial TV networks renting space from the ABC and they've still got enough left to have an assortment of charities and medical organisations using the rest.

Ultimately big budget media is in structural decline. Newspapers, TV, even the music industry has very few truly big artists these days. What's replacing it is a huge increase in content volume but it's much more cheaply produced and seen by far fewer people.

I'm not arguing that TV ought be propped up, but I do see an issue in that any forced loss of advertising will hasten the demise of something that's already in difficulty but which does remain relevant to a portion of the community.

But then I do see a big problem with gambling, it ruins many and the proliferation of pokies has done an awful lot of damage in society. If it were up to me, I'd restrict pokies to casinos only and I'd go back to enforcing formal dress as a requirement to enter. That was imperfect as an approach but there's some logic to it - most people aren't randomly walking past a casino in formal attire, it turns it into a very conscious decision to go there and one that requires some effort.

Also location. If there's one planning thing I really dislike in Adelaide, it's having a casino literally right next to the CBD railway station. In other words, right next to a place where a lot of people, including those less well off, will be going to out of necessity and often with time to spare whilst waiting for the next train. An evil place for a casino.

I'm arguing there's two sides to it basically.

There certainly are two sides to the story, and the disappearance of commercial media would be a concern, I can see that the only future for them is amalgamation and a more locally focussed approach rather than concentration in the big cities.

We will see how things pan out, but the quality of their programming has to lift if they are to survive.

 

[farmerge]

There certainly are two sides to the story, and the disappearance of commercial media would be a concern, I can see that the only future for them is amalgamation and a more locally focussed approach rather than concentration in the big cities.

We will see how things pan out, but the quality of their programming has to lift if they are to survive.

When did they put on a film that wasn't at least 30+ years old and been rehashed many times????

 

[SirRumpole]

When did they put on a film that wasn't at least 30+ years old and been rehashed many times????

I don't know, I don't watch the commercials except for some sports events I can't get anywhere else and the Chase occasionally.

 

[farmerge]

I don't know, I don't watch the commercials except for some sports events I can't get anywhere else and the Chase occasionally.

@SirRumpole Same with us. News, footy, tipping point and the chase. Only commented on the films as they are advertised as something that is a must watch, well it might have been decades ago.

 

[mullokintyre]

So Antony Green has called it.
Looks like a change in Government in the NT with Chief Minister Eva Lawler conceding defeat to her Country Liberal oponent, Lia Finnochiaro.
About a 13% swing against the incumbents on a two party preferred.
To top off a bad night for Eva, it looks as though she has lost her seat as well.
NT labour will obviously have to find a new leader to lead them in Opposition.
Mick

 

[wayneL]

So Antony Green has called it.
Looks like a change in Government in the NT with Chief Minister Eva Lawler conceding defeat to her Country Liberal oponent, Lia Finnochiaro.
About a 13% swing against the incumbents on a two party preferred.
To top off a bad night for Eva, it looks as though she has lost her seat as well.
NT labour will obviously have to find a new leader to lead them in Opposition.
Mick

The pendulum is starting to swing back?

 

[SirRumpole]

The pendulum is starting to swing back?

We can say that If Qld goes the same way.

 

[JohnDe]

The pendulum is starting to swing back?

Possibly in more ways than one. The voters may have started to wake up from their belief that governments and unelected authorities always follow the will of the people.

“We’ve certainly been listening to Australians and we’ll know what to deliver for Australians going forward into the next election.”​

“This is something we are very focused on, giving every single Territory child a better future and so we will hold parents accountable.​

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“We will put in place measures to get kids to school, we want healthy kids, healthy families, living healthy lives,” she said.​

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“That’s the work we’ve got to do now, and it starts with law reform in the first week of parliament.”​

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She said she would bring back truancy officers to keep students in school.​

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“If parents and families can’t, then we will,” she said. “We don’t think it’s an option to let kids not have access to education, and we’ll do everything we can to protect their right to have an education.​

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“Territorians have spoken loud and clear that Labor has ignored them for too long and we take this responsibility very seriously, and we will not let Territorians down,” she said.​

It is strange and worrying that our governance, over the past decade or so, has so easily thrown out the rule book that has served society so well for 100 years and reverted to a victimhood mentality for those that need their help the most.

Our previous leaders and philanthropists knew that education is a powerful tool in helping the poor and underprivileged into a better life, and that is why we had agencies that enforced education for children.

Country Liberal Party leader Lia Finocchiaro has emphatically declared law and order is her “number one priority”, as the CLP becomes the first Coalition equivalent to oust a Labor government since 2018.
“It’s amazing to now have the opportunity to do something different for the Territory,” Ms Finocchiaro, 39, told The Australian following an overwhelming election win.

“We know Labor have been in power for a very long time, and this is a new chapter for the Territory. We really are focused on making sure we deliver on all of our commitments, because they are what Territorians have been talking to us about.

Ms Finocchiaro said her first priority to address youth crime in places such as Alice Springs would be “backing in our police” and holding parents responsible.

“It starts with backing in our police, passing laws that meet our community’s expectations, it also then is about getting kids to school,” Ms Finocchiaro told The Australian.

“This is something we are very focused on, giving every single Territory child a better future and so we will hold parents accountable.

“We will put in place measures to get kids to school, we want healthy kids, healthy families, living healthy lives,” she said.

“That’s that’s the work we’ve got to do now, and it starts with law reform in the first week of parliament.”

She said she would bring back truancy officers to keep students in school.

“If parents and families can’t, then we will,” she said. “We don’t think it’s an option to let kids not have access to education, and we’ll do everything we can to protect their right to have an education.

“Territorians have spoken loud and clear that Labor has ignored them for too long and we take this responsibility very seriously, and we will not let Territorians down,” she said.

Lawler loses seat​

Labor chief minister for the past eight months – Eva Lawler – also lost her seat. The election campaign was fought largely on the issue of crime, particularly in Alice Springs where violence coincided with renewed access to alcohol in the wake of Howard-era restrictions that lapsed. The result was sustained chaos and a spotlight on family dysfunction and vulnerable youth. The CLP held power from 2012 to 2016 but before that it was not in government since 1997.

“Territorians have stood up against nearly two decades of crime, an economy going backwards and a once iconic lifestyle,” Ms Finocchiaro said.

In the NT, 13 seats are needed to form majority government. Labor went into Saturday’s election holding 14 seats, the CLP seven and independents held four seats. It appeared likely late on Saturday that the CLP would claim 15 seats.

Federal opposition spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, the former deputy mayor of Alice Springs and a Warlpiri-Celtic woman, said Anthony Albanese had failed the Northern Territory during the Alice Springs crisis.

“This has probably played into that. There has been $250 million invested into Central Australia to deal with the crime issue and we don’t know what’s happened with that,” she said.

“We don’t know where it is supposed to have gone.”

The Lawler Labor government in the NT promised during the election campaign that the top end’s dire financial status would begin to turn around within 18 months off the back of a range of emerging industries including the Beetaloo Basin gas project. However, the NT’s net debt has blown out from $1.8bn to almost $11bn and Ms Finocchiaro said Territorians felt there was little to show for it.

Jubilant scenes at the CLP election party. Picture: Liam Mendes

Senator Nampijinpa Price said on Sky News Australia’s election night panel on Saturday that the Prime Minister’s appearance at the Garma festival in northeast Arnhem Land this month – where he announced Indigenous economic development in part through renewables – demonstrated he was anti-mining.

“You know he’s come to Garma and he’s talked a big talk. He’s got this green obsession. He’s been anti-mining, anti-development and Territorians want their economy to flourish. They want mining.”

Soon after the CLP’s victory in the NT was acknowledged by the territory’s Labor leader Eva Lawler, Senator Nampijinpa Price said: “I think the Coalition, we can be quite confident going toward the next federal election”.

“We’ve certainly been listening to Australians and we’ll know what to deliver for Australians going forward into the next election.”

 

[mullokintyre]

Possibly in more ways than one. The voters may have started to wake up from their belief that governments and unelected authorities always follow the will of the people.

“We’ve certainly been listening to Australians and we’ll know what to deliver for Australians going forward into the next election.”​

“This is something we are very focused on, giving every single Territory child a better future and so we will hold parents accountable.​

​

“We will put in place measures to get kids to school, we want healthy kids, healthy families, living healthy lives,” she said.​

​

“That’s the work we’ve got to do now, and it starts with law reform in the first week of parliament.”​

​

She said she would bring back truancy officers to keep students in school.​

​

“If parents and families can’t, then we will,” she said. “We don’t think it’s an option to let kids not have access to education, and we’ll do everything we can to protect their right to have an education.​

​

“Territorians have spoken loud and clear that Labor has ignored them for too long and we take this responsibility very seriously, and we will not let Territorians down,” she said.​

It is strange and worrying that our governance, over the past decade or so, has so easily thrown out the rule book that has served society so well for 100 years and reverted to a victimhood mentality for those that need their help the most.

Our previous leaders and philanthropists knew that education is a powerful tool in helping the poor and underprivileged into a better life, and that is why we had agencies that enforced education for children.

The law and order thing, while obviously a significant problem for many territorians right now, is a distraction as they have a far bigger problem.
Debt sits at over $10 billion, a large part of the population contribute nothing to the economy other than a large list of wants and needs.
And it is not going to improve any time soon.
The territory has a huge bloated overpaid public service, massive networks of unfunded roads , water supplies, power supplies etc that all need to be improved and maintained.
They will be racking up debt at an ever increasing rate.
And the CLP response is to employ more police, build more jails and youth detention centres with more public servants to run and administer them.
Thanks to out of territory parasites, any sort of industry that might provide some form of employment, taxes, royalties etc at a state level have been quashed.
The Labour party was in charge of NT for nearly a decade, it would not surprise me the CLP get turfed out at the next election when its realised they can't fix the major structural and social problems.
With so many people dependent on government welfare, the Labour Party promises will be rolled out again, and off we go.
Mick

 

[JohnDe]

The Labour party was in charge of NT for nearly a decade, it would not surprise me the CLP get turfed out at the next election when its realised they can't fix the major structural and social problems.
With so many people dependent on government welfare, the Labour Party promises will be rolled out again, and off we go.
Mick

I hope that you are wrong, and that the new young leaders coming through the ranks have a better understanding on how to move forward.

Senator Nampijinpa Price said on Sky News Australia’s election night panel on Saturday that the Prime Minister’s appearance at the Garma festival in northeast Arnhem Land this month – where he announced Indigenous economic development in part through renewables – demonstrated he was anti-mining.​

​

“You know he’s come to Garma and he’s talked a big talk. He’s got this green obsession. He’s been anti-mining, anti-development and Territorians want their economy to flourish. They want mining.”​

​

Soon after the CLP’s victory in the NT was acknowledged by the territory’s Labor leader Eva Lawler, Senator Nampijinpa Price said: “I think the Coalition, we can be quite confident going toward the next federal election”.​

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“We’ve certainly been listening to Australians and we’ll know what to deliver for Australians going forward into the next election.”​

 

[mullokintyre]

It looks like the coalition have lost another senator.
Gerard Rennick, the Queensland maverick Senator who got pushed down to the unwinnable third spot on the LNP ticket in favour of the treasurer of the Queensland LNP, has defected to the cross benches and will form his own party.
At least it will be called "peoples First party", unlike Katter, Lambie, Palmer , Hanson etc who had egos sufficiently large to want their name in lights.
To lose one senator is unfortunate.
To lose four smacks of downright incompetence.
Mick

 

[Knobby22]

It looks like the coalition have lost another senator.
Gerard Rennick, the Queensland maverick Senator who got pushed down to the unwinnable third spot on the LNP ticket in favour of the treasurer of the Queensland LNP, has defected to the cross benches and will form his own party.
At least it will be called "peoples First party", unlike Katter, Lambie, Palmer , Hanson etc who had egos sufficiently large to want their name in lights.
To lose one senator is unfortunate.
To lose four smacks of downright incompetence.
Mick

Maybe they are getting rid of the dross.

 

[SirRumpole]

Maybe they are getting rid of the dross.

Or some are realising what d'heads the rest of the party are.

 

[wayneL]

Or some are realising what d'heads the rest of the party are.

It's the difference between Libs and Labs. Libs will quit when the party is infested with moronic cretins. Labs never will, no matter how astonishingly idiotic the rest of the party is. eg like right now.