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Nice topic for discussion, but I doubt whether the electorate is in to the details, they just want to know which way power prices will go.
There is a an article from Saul Griffiths outlining the way both major parties have ignored the nation building and cost saving opportunities around roof top solar and localised energy storage. Some very compelling figures. To cut to the chase an electrified house and car powered by solar/renewable energy would save consumers around $5000 a year. Obviously there is a lot more to the story than the punch line but it should be examined and debated in this election.
The second story backgrounds Saul Griffiths . He is no impractical energy nerd. Many successes and very hard headed.
Australia’s election debate on energy ignores the miracle of rooftop solar
Saul Griffith
Power harvested from our roofs and stored locally could smash carbon emissions and obliterate household energy bills
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‘Through the miracle of rooftop solar, Australian households are already accessing the cheapest energy in the history of humanity.’ Photograph: Dan Himbrechts/AAP
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ignores-the-miracle-of-rooftop-solar#comments
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It is a political tragedy that in this election our energy discussion is still framed around loss and sacrifice when it should be about abundance and opportunity.
Take the current skirmish over Labor’s plan to fast-track new poles and wires with $20bn in federal support to accommodate new large-scale renewable projects. Labor’s modelling indicates the investment will wipe $378 a year from household bills by 2030. The government, on the other hand, asserts that the investment will result in significantly higher energy bills.
Both sides are modelling the wrong thing. They are forgetting half of the energy equation. They are modelling the supply side (where we get energy from) and forgetting the demand side (what we use it for).
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ck-on-labor-energy-policy-is-all-too-familiar
The future is not just swapping big coal for big solar. To get to zero emissions, we have to electrify the demand side and decarbonise supply. Critically this means tripling the amount of clean electricity generated to also power our cars and heat our homes. A smart energy policy would support electrification of our communities. At this stage, both parties could take the lead in this area and should be fighting for the opportunity, given the windfall it will be for their constituents.
Labor misses the point because it has not grasped the potential of electrifying our homes and vehicles, which will drive much greater household energy and cost savings – as much as $5,000 a year by 2030. The Coalition misses the point because it doesn’t model the coming electrification of the demand side where the majority of new electricity demand will be met by more community and rooftop solar, which will be cheaper than the electricity from those transmission lines.
Through the miracle of rooftop solar, Australian households are already accessing the cheapest energy in the history of humanity. Solar is already installed at approximately $1/W of capacity. After financing, that’s around 6c/kWh delivered to you from your rooftop. This is approximately 20% of the price of electricity from the grid. We now just need to let our rooftop and community solar do more. It should also be powering our cars and our heat.
Australia’s election debate on energy ignores the miracle of rooftop solar | Saul Griffith
Power harvested from our roofs and stored locally could smash carbon emissions and obliterate household energy billswww.theguardian.com
Electric Monaros and hotted-up skateboards : the ‘genius’ who wants to electrify our world
After advising US president Joe Biden on energy, Saul Griffith is back in Australia to declare war on the climate crisiswww.theguardian.com
Anyway, that is my virtue signalling for the evening
Interesting, haven't really done a deep dive into the info.Point of order, for those who have gone through the lengthy process of transitioning, bone and ligament alignment, particularly around the pelvic area, do in fact change. It is also common for the trans woman to be shorter than when she was pretending to be a man.
I wonder if people here are confusing trans women with shemales?
I'm not sure there is much to argue about on the trans issue. I don't see much mileage in it overall.So as the religious right take over the NSW Liberal party (Morrison inspired pre selections) I see many here have taken the bait and switch tactic arguing about the perils of trans gender women.
You have been sucked in.
Note Morrison is happy to get rid of moderates and back religious right radicals making BS public statements then withdrawing them and apologising, dog whistle at its best.
After reading this discussion another term of Morrison Australia cannot afford but looks like its coming.
@basilio I think once and for all the argument will be resolved, labor will win this election and they will implement their plan, so it will be an interesting exercise.
As @Smurf1976 has already said it can be done, so it should be very interesting watching the implementation, I for one am extremely keen to see it all unfold it will be great IMO.
I sincerely hope that if a Labour Government is returned they have done the preparation for this task. Be interesting to see if that question is asked in the next few weeks.
The good thing is, once a party takes office, it becomes responsible for outcomes. When they are in opposition they just have to criticise and talk down the party that's in office.In that case, better hope the Greens don't have balance of power. No more coal, no more hydro, just wind, solar and lights out at night.
FWIW, I am spending up on both emergency ICE generators and the latest lithium battery technology.In that case, better hope the Greens don't have balance of power. No more coal, no more hydro, just wind, solar and lights out at night.
It will be hard to accelerate the transition as the build process just takes a certain amount of time,
Building the solar/wind farm is the easy bit, having the grid configured so they can gain access has been the issue, there are several transmission interconnectors being built.Not sure about that.
Each build takes a certain amount of time. But if one has multiple builds occurring across many areas then remarkable progress could be made.
So essentially
These can be achieved with largely private investment if government policies give the appropriate signals. The stumbling points will be technical capacity to implement, planning legislation and push back from current fossil fuel interests.
- multiple solar/wind /small solar installations.
- Many big and smaller battery projects
- Upgraded interconnectors to transfer power
- Fast tracking electric cars/trucks and then integrating their batteries into the power system.
IMV a new government could make quite remarkable progress in 30 months if it set its mind to it. Lets remember that all the State Government regardless of political persuasion and many industry groups are on board and would welcome such a drive.
You have a Land Rover, they will run on anything, when they're running. ?FWIW, I am spending up on both emergency ICE generators and the latest lithium battery technology.
Additionally the property I just bought has several years supply of biomass for heating (ie firewood).
So when the Greens completely the screw up energy supply, there will still be parties at my place.
Even rederob will be welcome for entertainment value
I thought it was a deliberate distraction and the words were meant to try to shore up the Sydney West population.I thought this thread was about the election and what the various candidates have been saying through the campaign.
To that end, Morrison deserves a pile-on for his disgraceful comments about being blessed to not have disabled children. Sure, he didn't mean offence, but what a goof he is for even thinking that what he said was acceptable.
Not to mention, an impediment to the shipment of our reserve fuel supplies which are located in the U.S.A China base at Solomon Islands cuts us off from Japan and South Korea and allows China to cut our main undersea communication links whenever they want.
I thought it was a deliberate distraction and the words were meant to try to shore up the Sydney West population.
Let's not think of the huge failure in foreign policy caused by incompetence and slackness.The USA is said to be furious with us.
A China base at Solomon Islands cuts us off from Japan and South Korea and allows China to cut our main undersea communication links whenever they want.
Look over there!
Isn't this just a confirmation of conservative mantra?I know the headlines are saying its the biggest security blunder ever but its actually bigger.
China will own the Pacific in no time as a result, there has been a some pointed commentary about how badly Australia has dealt with the pacific islands and its continues to this day. A minister or understudy fly's out for a day or two and then that's it.
What it means for Australia at the very least is that it will tie up large amounts of military / intelligence assets that we don't have its a major cluster.
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