good companies tend to keep staff ( and management ) so less job openings in good , reliable businessesWhat about underemployment? Also you haven't tackled my argument about wages and working conditions. A lot of employers don't want to adapt to the times. I would bet that those vacancies advertised will be quickly filled in the case of good companies and in cases where the vacancies are not filled again it comes back to pay and working conditions. You are just entirely ignoring my argument. I am starting to think you are arguing in bad faith at this point.
there are always some workers that go through the motions , or would rather not work at all , and there are some openings very hard to fill for a variety of reasons ( not everyone is willing to be molested working a diner or bar for instance )You aren’t providing evidence for your argument, you are just hypothesising because you don’t seem to want to believe that a population can hit full employment.
well the statistics have been rigged since at least 1989 i had a rellie who worked senior levels and brought some instructions home so have it in printIn other threads I provided evidence of lackluster wages growth and now I provided evidence of high national unemployment. Its very hard for me to provide reliable granulized data for part of a city. If you name a few suburbs where you are talking about I could show you many job postings on Seek where pay is too low or expectations of the company are too high and the reason for the vacancy is clear. Yes full employment can theoretically exist but I am fairly confident almost nowhere in Australia does it currently exist.
Can you provide evidence for your claim that these areas have full employment? Other than ABS manipulated statistics and job vacancy signs at tight arse local businesses with poor working conditions paying rock bottom wages?
@Value Collector I would suggest tight a*se. More than likely $30 an hourIf I want somebody to clean my whole house for $30 and I cannot find somebody to do it does that mean there is a labour shortage and a shortage of cleaners? Or am I just not paying enough?
I think you meant to reply to Value hunter@Value Collector I would suggest tight a*se. More than likely $30 an hour
Like I already explained before it was a sarcastic post designed to illustrate the absurdity of the current "labour shortages".@Value Collector I would suggest tight a*se. More than likely $30 an hour
Purely anecdotal but I've become aware of quite a few examples of what I'll refer to as discouraged workers. That is people who could work but who aren't working as much, or at all, as they could be and this is by choice.labour shortages
@Smurf1976 And perhaps a happier work place. A company that I deal with is about to lose its manager and forklift driver. Not happy employees. Several reasons why but both are disillusioned.Purely anecdotal but I've become aware of quite a few examples of what I'll refer to as discouraged workers. That is people who could work but who aren't working as much, or at all, as they could be and this is by choice.
Just my observation but I've seen a number of things which lead me to think there's a not insignificant "discouraged" pool of workers who've simply dropped out. They'd be willing to give it a go but it requires various changes to make that happen.
Now a business that directly sought to employ those workers probably could get them. Just needs the right approach to recruitment.
This is what I am talking about, I took this on my way to my local Woolies this afternoon.Like I already explained before it was a sarcastic post designed to illustrate the absurdity of the current "labour shortages".
Ok, you aren’t going to accept reality, so I will just leave the discussion here.Queensland is notorious for its low salaries. Many Queenslanders move to Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, etc for a pay bump (yes cost of living is higher but many still find it worthwhile to move).
Also some markets for example employment and housing are sticky and slow moving and often it takes time for people to accept reality and change their expectations. In many markets currently employers have been reluctant to accept the reality of the new higher market level of nominal wages and it will take time for them to begrudgingly accept that they will need to pay more for employees in the interim those hiring signs will remain.
I used to work in an job in Sydney where I supplied various types of tradies and I would get many complaining that they could not find suitable, experienced employees for their small business. Whenever I asked them how much they paid their employees, the answer always made it immediately clear why they couldn't find suitable employees.
Don't believe propaganda from businesses who are just talking their own book. If you want the real story talk to employees. How many would tell you that if they wanted to they could find a new job in a week? How many have had 10% + pay rises in the past 12 months? If you want to hire a painter to paint your house could you get somebody to start the job sometime next week or would you need to wait 2 or 3 weeks because they are all fully booked due to the "shortage" of painters?
I don't buy your narrative of a generalized labour shortage where you live. But even if I were to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's true what does it prove anyway? If there are a handful of suburbs dotted across the country where labour shortages exist meanwhile over 95%+ of the country is currently suffering from an oversupply of labour (the 3 million unemployed and underemployed people) how is it really relevant to anything in a wider meaningful context?
Yep, that is what’s driving things up here, we have had a massive ongoing population growth spurt, which has lead to a shortage of housing, and a boom in housing construction, which has created a shortage of labour in those construction jobs, while the increase in population has put pressure on employment in the other industries like hospitality.The biggest problem is finding accomodation.
Doesn't matter how good the job is, how high the pay is, if you can't find somewhere to live, its all over.
Its the main driver of lack of workers in so may tourist spots.
Any spare houses are on the airbnb racket.
Baristas, cleaners, security guards, retail workers, deckhands, anyone else left in hospitality get totally priced out of the market.
Who cares if food is cheaper, or transport is cheaper, or schooling is cheaper.
If you cannnot get a roof over your head, thats it.
Mick
@Value Collector Well, I guess that scenario is played out just about everywhere, particularly the coastal strips around the country.Yep, that is what’s driving things up here, we have had a massive ongoing population growth spurt, which has lead to a shortage of housing, and a boom in housing construction, which has created a shortage of labour in those construction jobs, while the increase in population has put pressure on employment in the other industries like hospitality.
Retirees, FIFO Workers, online creators, interstate Truckers, work from homers, digital nomads, pilots and airline staff, soldiers, movie studios, Writers, tourists, Etc etc All create demand for housing and services where ever they base themselves and their family, and bring money into the community, but don’t actually supply much labour into that community, so their existing in that community really gives a big boost to employment.
Brisbane and its surrounding areas like the gold and sunshine coasts has been a magnet to such people in recent years. I think that is what is boosting the labour market here.
Bye bye. don't forget bat and ballOk, you aren’t going to accept reality, so I will just leave the discussion here
Yep, but I think it’s impact is particularly acute in south east queensland, because@Value Collector Well, I guess that scenario is played out just about everywhere, particularly the coastal strips around the country.
I would venture to add that is possibly the same as here in WA.Yep, but I think it’s impact is particularly acute in south east queensland, because
1, for years we have had a natural birth rate up here higher than the other states.
2, we have substantial net interstate migration, each people from other states moving here.
3, we have substantial international migration.
4, As I said before south east Queensland is a base for both retirees and also has substantial amounts of people that work else where either physically eg FIFO or digitally or in export type industries where they aren’t supplying their labour into the locally market, but add demand to the local employment market.
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