Value Collector
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It’s a pretty stock standard suburb middle class and working class area, in the outer suburbs of Brisbane.
It’s a pretty stock standard suburb middle class and working class area, in the outer suburbs of Brisbane.Maybe normal people can't afford to live in your area, therefore low paying work that you mentioned, couldn't attract the workers required.
The businesses should advertise at the nearest university, there will be plenty of graduates looking for work.
Again you guys seem to picture me living in some fancy rich suburb, that’s not the case. I live in a normal suburb, of the freeway about 30kms outside the city. It’s pretty working class actually, with a couple of neighbourhoods near by that are middle class.Exactly.
If the workers cannot find accomodation, then it matters little how good the wages are.
Mick
Still probably well out of the area that hospitality workers can afford to live in and probably not overly well serviced with public transport.It’s a pretty stock standard suburb middle class and working class area, in the outer suburbs of Brisbane.
there are three train stations with in 5 mins of my house. A decent bus network, and bike lanes.Still probably well out of the area that hospitality workers can afford to live in and probably not overly well serviced with public transport.
Like I said they should advertise at the Uni's, there will be plenty of students that live in and around the area with Mum and Dad, who might want the hours.
It's better than delivering papers.
Well then the only answer is, you have full employment in your area, or they are paying way too much in welfare.there are three train stations with in 5 mins of my house. A decent bus network, and bike lanes.
without giving you the exact suburb I don’t know how to prove it, but some of the cheapest housing in Brisbane is in adjoining suburbs to my location.
That’s my point unemployment is very low, it’s actually 2.6 %in northern Brisbane, and in parts of Australia we do need some of the basic workers that TechA said we don’t need.Well then the only answer is, you have full employment in your area, or they are paying way too much in welfare.
I've done some pretty crap jobs in my day to make ends meet and I don't believe there are no unemployed people in your area.
From Google:
The unemployment rate in Brisbane Inner City SA4 in July 2023 was 3.2 per cent, an increase of 0.6 percentage point over the year.24 Aug 2023
Or:
Nov 16 2023.
Again its not a shortage, its merely companies refusing to pay the market rate to fill those jobs. Plenty of labour still available for companies willing to pay $5 - 10 per hour above the relevant industry awards which many companies are already doing. In my experience the companies in those types of industries complaining about not being able to find staff are the ones only paying minimum wage. The solution is simple they need to pay more if they want staff or keep their mouths shut. Its patently ridiculous that in cities such as Sydney and Melbourne with sky high cost of living that there are companies still expecting staff to work for award wages. Not just Sydney or Melbourne any capital city in Australia award wages are generally just too low these days and the better companies are already offering above award. Some companies still have not gotten with the times.Do we though?
In my area heaps of hospitality businesses have signs up saying they are looking for staff. The local pizza shop is looking for drivers too.
there is also a truck driver shortage and a shortage of cleaners.
Labour shortages hit hospitality
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Instead of overcrowding the country by importing even more people why don't we first focus on cutting red tape so those qualifications and experience can get recognized sooner in Australia. Its extremely wasteful to have foreign doctors here working as Uber drivers.In My view, we have enough Barristas, Uber Drivers, Truck Drivers, Cleaners, Trolley Collectors and Pizza Delivery drivers.
A host of these people have degrees not recognized in Australia, which means they can't fill the spots needed
Like Doctors, Nurses, Engineers, Vets, Vet Nurses, Management roles. Middle management roles. etc etc,
Quality NOT quantity.
i would rather cut the folks creating the red tape , otherwise reduction of red tape is just a ( crack) pipe dreamInstead of overcrowding the country by importing even more people why don't we first focus on cutting red tape so those qualifications and experience can get recognized sooner in Australia. Its extremely wasteful to have foreign doctors here working as Uber drivers.
clean your house AND leave your possessions intact ?? yes you probably are not paying enoughIf I want somebody to clean my whole house for $30 and I cannot find somebody to do it does that mean there is a labour shortage and a shortage of cleaners? Or am I just not paying enough?
Just in case you didn't realize my post was being sarcastic. I was poking fun at the posters trying to falsely claim there is a labour shortage.clean your house AND leave your possessions intact ?? yes you probably are not paying enough
otherwise i can send a team of burglars who are persistent at cleaning out homes , and you can just leave the $30 somewhere easy to find ( i would be glad to get the mongrel;s out of this district for a month or so ) ( just don't tell the insurance company , and you can have a major refit )
2.6% is the official number which is always understated. And lets not forget to add underemployed people to whatever unemployment there is and that will give you more of an idea of the real slack in the workforce.That’s my point unemployment is very low, it’s actually 2.6 %in northern Brisbane, and in parts of Australia we do need some of the basic workers that TechA said we don’t need.
when I was in primary school unemployment in Brisbane was 12% getting below 3% is so low it’s basically only job snobs and dole bludgers that don’t want to work left.
i understood what you saying and amplified an angle i have observed over the decades .. underpay and the losses accumulate ( stuff left behind , stolen , etc etc ) pay cheap, but don't expect loyalty or diligenceJust in case you didn't realize my post was being sarcastic. I was poking fun at the posters trying to falsely claim there is a labour shortage.
As I said the fact that there are job vacancies signs up everywhere is evidence that the 2.6% figure is probably accurate.2.6% is the official number which is always understated. And lets not forget to add underemployed people to whatever unemployment there is and that will give you more of an idea of the real slack in the workforce.
According to Roy Morgan there are around 3 million people in Australia who are either unemployed or underemployed!!! Its literally ludicrous to talk about labour shortages!!
What about underemployment? Also you haven't tackled my argument about wages and working conditions. A lot of employers don't want to adapt to the times. I would bet that those vacancies advertised will be quickly filled in the case of good companies and in cases where the vacancies are not filled again it comes back to pay and working conditions. You are just entirely ignoring my argument. I am starting to think you are arguing in bad faith at this point.As I said the fact that there are job vacancies signs up everywhere is evidence that the 2.6% figure is probably accurate.
a big difference between available , and willing to do the work and that has been the way it since the '70s2.6% is the official number which is always understated. And lets not forget to add underemployed people to whatever unemployment there is and that will give you more of an idea of the real slack in the workforce.
According to Roy Morgan there are around 3 million people in Australia who are either unemployed or underemployed!!! Its literally ludicrous to talk about labour shortages!!
You aren’t providing evidence for your argument, you are just hypothesising because you don’t seem to want to believe that a population can hit full employment.What about underemployment? Also you haven't tackled my argument about wages and working conditions. A lot of employers don't want to adapt to the times. I would bet that those vacancies advertised will be quickly filled in the case of good companies and in cases where the vacancies are not filled again it comes back to pay and working conditions. You are just entirely ignoring my argument. I am starting to think you are arguing in bad faith at this point.
In other threads I provided evidence of lackluster wages growth and now I provided evidence of high national unemployment. Its very hard for me to provide reliable granulized data for part of a city. If you name a few suburbs where you are talking about I could show you many job postings on Seek where pay is too low or expectations of the company are too high and the reason for the vacancy is clear. Yes full employment can theoretically exist but I am fairly confident almost nowhere in Australia does it currently exist.You aren’t providing evidence for your argument, you are just hypothesising because you don’t seem to want to believe that a population can hit full employment.
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