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Asylum immigrants - Green Light

You missed a bit or two (my bolds)
Here you go again perpetuating that myth that asylum seekers almost all ended up in Australia.
Read earlier in the thread. Between 30% and 40% ended up in Australia. The rest were sent home or to NZ. 30% or 40% is not "most".


Agree. She can carry on about how she is succumbing to the force of the opposition in a self sacrificing attempt to save lives at sea, yada yada. And then if it all goes wrong, she can claim no fault.

Yes, the original suggestion looks pathetic given the numbers arriving since then. Perhaps the government thought just one shipment of people to Malaysia would do the job of deterring future arrivals.
I doubt that very much.


This was a government big on rhetoric, but nothing else. So the Apology to the Stolen Generation, with the greatest of respect, was rhetoric. Signing the Kyoto Protocol also arguably was.
So true. Nothing has changed for aboriginal people. Nothing has changed re so called climate change.
 
That little breakaway group is beginning to work out that a solution to this is not easy.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...r-on-boat-policy/story-fn3dxiwe-1226408572786

The politics of this is moving. The Coalition need to indicate an openness to accepting Malaysia subject to some reasonable conditions,

1) Malaysia sign the refugee convention.
2) The arrangement should be open-ended.
3) Due to Labor's poor negotiation, it would be difficult to undo 800 for 4000, but in the context of one for one above, better terms could be negotiated

This would keep the whole issue firmly on Labor's plate.

The difficulty I have with this though is that it absolves the Greens of any responsibility, something the media at large seems very reluctant to pursue.

Scott Morrison on 2GB with Steve Price and Andrew Bolt yesterday evening.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
 
On the 730 report last night Scott Morrision when quizzed by Leigh Sales didnt say he would agree to anything, just that Labor hadnt offered anything, stupid answer to a straight forward question. "would you agree if Labor gave you everything you want"
 
He did refuse a clear answer. But I took that more as his irritation at Leigh Sales trying to play mediator and broker a deal on television. He said as much.

I'm surprised no one has commented on the government chartering a 737 to fly ONE asylum seeker from Christmas Island to Perth after the capsizing.
 
Its the 5th day of the 5th test, the decider, and the captain of the Australian team (Tony Abbott) leads his team on to the field at the start of play with a 500 run lead and with the opposition nine wickets down, just then the captain of the other team (Julia Gillard) walks up to Tony and says "I am ready to negotiate a draw now".
 
... I'm surprised no one has commented on the government chartering a 737 to fly ONE asylum seeker from Christmas Island to Perth after the capsizing.

Some charter flights are direct opposite to frugal living, austerity measures or even CO2/climate control.

Same thought crossed my mind when Kevin with 100+ others flew to sign Kyoto agreement.

It could be laughable if it was not sad.

Why Julia and other World 20 leaders don't use fast internet instead of adding to CO2/climate problems?
(Suspect, they started connection from Tasmania and Julia doesn't have it yet .. )
 
That little breakaway group is beginning to work out that a solution to this is not easy.

What gives with this clown Mal Washer, Doc. He is the Liberal doctor who got considerable air time for continually checking Craig Thomson for signs of stress. He is one of yours. Is he ready to switch sides like Turnbull? He has all the appearances of a heavy boozer.
 
That whole group shares a philosophy about asylum seekers which closely aligns to that of The Greens.
 
Our border 'policy' is causing incredulity outside of Australia. Talking with a NZ friend yesterday, he remarked on what a total stuff up is occurring here.

The conversation reminded me of a Greens member a few days ago who blithely said: "we should have completely open borders for everyone. We have such open borders for New Zealanders, and there's no problem".
 

Apparently he is not running in the next election.
 
I'm surprised no one has commented on the government chartering a 737 to fly ONE asylum seeker from Christmas Island to Perth after the capsizing.

Whats the problem? The governments got plenty of money.
 
Abbotts smirk about the asylum policy is interesting


From Crikey

 
Abbotts smirk about the asylum policy is interesting


From Crikey
He's too smart to end up with the same expression on his face as Andrew Wilkie did after doing a deal with Julia Gillard.

He knows dshe needs to be on her knees before he can deal. He needs to be flexible enough to consider compromise but even then, he still might not be able to trust her.

Again, Andrew Wilkie comes to mind.
 
I've got a trial sub with Crikey I'd like to keep it going but it's too left wing.
 
Shadow immigration minister Scott Morrison showed that last night when he made clear on 7.30 that even if Labor embraced the Coalition's position entirely it wouldn't get agreement.

I don't quite get it. If the government were to embrace the coalition's position, what exactly has to pass through parliament? Can they just get on with it?
 
I don't quite get it. If the government were to embrace the coalition's position, what exactly has to pass through parliament? Can they just get on with it?

Yep. Nothing has to pass the Parliament. The High Court, in the judgment which trashed the Malaysia Solution, said as much at paragraph 128:


Here's the link:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/HCA/2011/32.html

The way it happened at the hearing in the High Court is exactly the way it came up in the judgment. The Commonwealth's argument, briefly was that "No one has invalidated Nauru as an illegal offshore processing centre, so you should let Gillard/Bowen have Malaysia as well. This appears in paragraph 127:


Don't underestimate how bloody-minded this scorched-earth submission was. If the Government couldn't get its way with the Malaysia Solution (which was the only issue before the Court), it was going to do its best to tear down Nauru as a future solution as well. But it backfired spectacularly.

And the High Court's answer was, well it didn't matter that Nauru wasn't a signatory (at that time) to the Refugees Convention, because it was the Aussies who were running the detention centre and the processing, so the human rights were protected. The Court was saying - that's why Nauru is LEGAL whereas the agreement struck up with Malaysia was explicitly stated to be 'non-binding' and ILLEGAL, as the Malaysians could do what they wanted once the hapless 800 arrived there, including send them home. No guarantees, hence the Coalition condition that the Malaysians sign the Refugees Convention is a real and pragmatic one.

Since the days Nauru was used as an offshore processing centre, they have now signed up to the Refugees Convention, so sending them there would be even more legal now, if that was possible. So no legislative amendment needed. Gillard could pick up the phone to the Nauruan President, literally, and it would be done.

So it's Gillard's stubbornness. It's not lack of knowledge, as she's a lawyer and this is pretty basic stuff. She cannot swallow her pride and go back to Nauru without also having Malaysia in the mix to claim some of the credit for solving the problem (if it's solvable). If it's not solvable, then Malaysia and Nauru are in the same failed boat as well, so to speak.
 
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