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moXJO said:
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...t/news-story/c8eb1abc0544702fef6d371d7ec75f90



As suspected.....
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moXJO

You know as well as I do that its not that simple.

(1) You have to know how to secure a rear naked choke hold on an opponent. This guy seems cool as a cucumber
for an un trained guy! Ask 10 un trained civilians and Ill bet hardly 1 will know.
(2) You have at max 1 chance and 1 second to get out of it if its applied correctly.
(3) If your trained you'll know whats happening before it happens and get out of the situation before getting into it.

This is MR family man V drugged up Mr Massive trainer.
Don't add up.
 
tech/a said:
moXJO

You know as well as I do that its not that simple.

(1) You have to know how to secure a rear naked choke hold on an opponent. This guy seems cool as a cucumber
for an un trained guy! Ask 10 un trained civilians and Ill bet hardly 1 will know.
(2) You have at max 1 chance and 1 second to get out of it if its applied correctly.
(3) If your trained you'll know whats happening before it happens and get out of the situation before getting into it.

This is MR family man V drugged up Mr Massive trainer.
Don't add up.
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Headlocks are easy to apply. They ain't in a ring, theres furniture around. Maybe the intruder realized his mistake and was non aggressive, maybe the drugs made him an easy target?
You don't need to apply it correctly to put someone in a headlock. But it becomes more dangerous the less you know. And thats how this guy died.

Most guys I know use rear naked chokes if the get into trouble. No one takes any damage and no one hits the pavement.
Headlocks in streetfights are common in the clinch for untrained.

The dad was a south African so he would more than likely know something.
 
tech/a said:
moXJO

You know as well as I do that its not that simple.

(1) You have to know how to secure a rear naked choke hold on an opponent. This guy seems cool as a cucumber
for an un trained guy! Ask 10 un trained civilians and Ill bet hardly 1 will know.
(2) You have at max 1 chance and 1 second to get out of it if its applied correctly.
(3) If your trained you'll know whats happening before it happens and get out of the situation before getting into it.

This is MR family man V drugged up Mr Massive trainer.
Don't add up.
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It adds up if we don't assume the family man is untrained and the trainer is fit to fight despite being drugged up.
 
The story unfolds. The police won't be charging the home owner but it all looks sad..

Reminds of the story of a women who enters her house, sees a strange (black..)man and shots him. Turns out she went into the wrong apartment...:eek:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45632941

Bodybuilder killed in home invasion may have entered house by accident
By police reporter Mark Reddie
Updated about 7 hours ago

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Photo: Investigators are looking into Bradley Soper's drug and mental health history. (Facebook: Strongman India)
Related Story: Man who confronted bodybuilder intruder had 'no sympathy' for thieves
Related Story: 'Out of character': Man killed in home invasion was champion body builder
Investigators are looking into whether a body builder killed during a suspected home invasion in Sydney's south-west may have accidentally ended up in the Harrington Park property.

Key points:
  • The police investigation is focusing on whether Bradley Soper was disorientated and high on drugs
  • Detectives travelled to Dubbo to interview Mr Soper's father about his son's mental health history
  • Homicide detectives advised against laying charges against homeowner Francois Schwartz
When his dogs started barking on Sunday morning, Francois Schwartz, 44, raced downstairs and found personal trainer Bradley Soper, 34, hiding behind his living room couch.

Fearing for his wife and young daughter's safety, the ABC understands Mr Schwartz challenged Mr Soper before he grabbed him in a headlock and called out to neighbours for help.

A source close to the investigation said Mr Schwartz's wife called police after Mr Soper lost consciousness, but he had already died by the time paramedics arrived at Westwood Court.

Police initially thought Mr Soper intended a forced entry into Mr Schwartz's home, but the investigation is now focusing on whether the Bringelly man was disoriented and high on drugs.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02...red-harrington-park-home-by-accident/10831270
 
A mate of mine was so drunk he went into the wrong apartment one floor down and fell asleep on the couch. Apparently the owner answered the door and he barged his way in. No matter how hard the guy tried he couldn't wake him up. Even tipped water on him.
The guy let him sleep it off in the end.

Mate got shock in the morning when he realized what he had done in the morning.
 
moXJO said:
A mate of mine was so drunk he went into the wrong apartment one floor down and fell asleep on the couch. Apparently the owner answered the door and he barged his way in. No matter how hard the guy tried he couldn't wake him up. Even tipped water on him.
The guy let him sleep it off in the end.

Mate got shock in the morning when he realized what he had done in the morning.
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I reckon that has happened more than a few times. Just silly shite.
The problem comes when people have guns or think something else is happening or are looking to defend their turf or not "flexible" enough to recognise a genuine, stoopid/unfortunate mistake rather than malintent.
 
basilio said:
I reckon that has happened more than a few times. Just silly shite.
The problem comes when people have guns or think something else is happening or are looking to defend their turf or not "flexible" enough to recognise a genuine, stoopid/unfortunate mistake rather than malintent.
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I agree with the above.
But on the other side of the argument is what if he was there with intent to harm.
You have seconds to make a decision.
Very tragic for all involved.
 
That'd explain the curious hour (7.30am) of the incident. On a bender all night perhaps.
Homeowner didn't know enough about restraints or was too over zealous. If it was someone in Security he might've been charged.
 
Darc Knight said:
:D

Didn't think I'd ever see Bas Ruten on ASF :D Don't try this at home folks.

SP, don't let your Missus see this! :p
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Jeez I'm in Sydney ATM, the missus just got drenched, I'm in more crap than Ned Kelly.
This is mid summer and it is raining heavier than mid winter, in Perth, why would people pay to live in this. Lol
 

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