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Darc Knight said:
Do you agree when one person is dead and one is left we at least need a fair Trial to find out (hopefully) what happened.
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I don't think the SMH should be printing stories like that, which could influence a 'fair trial', maybe you think it is fine.
I think they are rumaging around in someones business, that is none of theirs, how would you like it if you were the home owner and the SMH was printing what you had put on ASF.
Maybe I'm just a bit old fashioned and don't want my business in the newspapers, untill I've had a 'fair trail'.
 
sptrawler said:
I don't think the SMH should be printing stories like that, which could influence a 'fair trial', maybe you think it is fine.
I think they are rumaging around in someones business, that is none of theirs, how would you like it if you were the home owner and the SMH was printing what you had put on ASF.
Maybe I'm just a bit old fashioned and don't want my business in the newspapers, untill I've had a 'fair trail'.
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So you agree when one person is dead and one is left we at least need a fair Trial to findout (hopefully) what happened?
 
basilio said:
Do we know enough about what happened to be so sure of ourselves ?
I certainly don't and unless you have other far more detailed information I suggest you may not either.

Perhaps we let police ect check this out thoroughly before us keyboard warriors decide who as right or wrong..:cautious:
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#Covingtonboys ;)
 
Darc Knight said:
So you agree when one person is dead and one is left we at least need a fair Trial to findout (hopefully) what happened?
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There will be a coroners investigation first I would guess, to determine cause of death, there might not even be a trial. Who knows, I think everyone is getting way off track.
I just think the SMH is out of line.
 
Darc Knight said:
Do you agree when one person is dead and one is left we at least need a fair Trial to find out (hopefully) what happened.
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Absolutely a fair trial is needed.

That said, I just don’t have much confidence that under normal circumstances (nobody dead) such a trial would, if the intruder were found guilty, result in a satisfactory remedy.
 
I have a saying "everything on my Property is mine". If someone sticks an Arm in my Window, that Arm is mine. People I've known would never touch the Front Door handle if I yelled out "come in!". I'll leave it there :D
Just hope I never have to or need to face a fair Trial. I might be in trouble.
 
Darc Knight said:
I have a saying "everything on my Property is mine". If someone sticks an Arm in my Window, that Arm is mine. People I've known would never touch the Front Door handle if I yelled out "come in!". I'll leave it there :D
Just hope I never have to or need to face a fair Trial. I might be in trouble.
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So if someone breaks into your house, through a window and cuts their arm badly, then bleeds to death.
The SMH could say, you posted the above, hope you got a fair trail.:roflmao:

And that my friend, is exactly, what I was complaining about.:xyxthumbs
 
sptrawler said:
So if someone breaks into your house, through a window and cuts their arm badly, then bleeds to death.
The SMH could say, you posted the above, hope you got a fair trail.:roflmao:

And that my friend, is exactly, what I was complaining about.:xyxthumbs
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I just want you, Frog, PiZ and Danny on the Jury :)
 
Smurf1976 said:
Absolutely a fair trial is needed.
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That depends on what the police find out. It's one man's word against the other and one of them is dead so there is no argument there.

The victim was a body builder and the householder would (probably) be no match for him physically.

It's a question of what is reasonable force. Unless the police find evidence that reasonable force was not used then I doubt the case will come to court.
 
My contacts tell me that the DPP will not be pursuing a charge against the householder.

The SMH article is just clickbait to take you to Domain, Ch9 or some pneumatic man or woman on, I believe it is called MAFS whatever that is.

gg
 
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ver-home-invader-s-death-20190219-p50yus.html

From the article:
Mr Schwartz was questioned by detectives, but released without charge on Sunday night.

Two weeks ago, a Reddit account linked to him posted that he had "no sympathy" for thieves on a video of a would-be mobile phone thief being punched by the people he sought to rob.

"If he is committed to crime, he will next time bring a gun and target someone more vulnerable like an 80-year-old," the Reddit comment, made on February 3, states.

"No sympathy. The person on the receiving end of his crime could also be poor, and worked hard at an honest job to buy that phone. What does his theft do to that honest person?", read the since-deleted comments .

Again I ask, what has that got to do with the incident?
 
sptrawler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ver-home-invader-s-death-20190219-p50yus.html

From the article:
Mr Schwartz was questioned by detectives, but released without charge on Sunday night.

Two weeks ago, a Reddit account linked to him posted that he had "no sympathy" for thieves on a video of a would-be mobile phone thief being punched by the people he sought to rob.

"If he is committed to crime, he will next time bring a gun and target someone more vulnerable like an 80-year-old," the Reddit comment, made on February 3, states.

"No sympathy. The person on the receiving end of his crime could also be poor, and worked hard at an honest job to buy that phone. What does his theft do to that honest person?", read the since-deleted comments .

Again I ask, what has that got to do with the incident?
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Background. But at Law, Mens Rea. The intent. Was he just using reasonable force or was he some nut who would stab an Arm that came through his window or told his dodgey neighbours he'd electrocute anyone jiggling his front door handle :p
 
Darc Knight said:
Was he just using reasonable force or was he some nut who would stab an Arm that came through his window or told his dodgy neighbours he'd electrocute anyone jiggling his front door handle :p
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We will never know. Even if it goes to trial. 2 people involved, 1 is dead. The person (thief) who broke into someone else's home (and possibly high on drugs, cocaine) is gone. Good riddance. End of story.
 
Darc Knight said:
Background. But at Law, Mens Rea. The intent. Was he just using reasonable force or was he some nut who would stab an Arm that came through his window or told his dodgey neighbours he'd electrocute anyone jiggling his front door handle :p
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Have you seen the size of the intruder? :eek:

I would have to set the missus on him, his ears would be ringing for weeks.
 
DB008 said:
We will never know. Even if it goes to trial. 2 people involved, 1 is dead. The person (thief) who broke into someone else's home (and possibly high on drugs, cocaine) is gone. Good riddance. End of story.
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Like I said, I want you as a Juror at any of my future court appearances. Although I've deactivated the front door handle now - outta that neighbourhood. :p
 

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