Another Dog Attack - Sad Story All Round

[Rapture]

rapture,
no need for apology lol
just that I was told once that it's illegal to avoid a prang "irrespective"
red light , green light whatever.
Maybe it was BS

obviously a sensible judge would not fine the person who went through the red

Sorry I thought you knew something I didn't

All good

 

[2020hindsight]

Sorry I thought you knew something I didn't

All good

Also lol
I screwed up in that off-thread and confusing post about red and green lights.

Obviously if you go through a green light and you are hit by someone running a red, then you are blameless sheesh.

What I meant was if you went through green and then HIT someone who went through red, then you are "less blameless". - as I said 98-2, or maybe 99.5: 0.5 whatever.

I mean, I suspect some fineprint in the road rules would say that you should always be able to stop in time to avoid things in front of you etc.

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Back to this thread - - If you have a dog that bites a burglar, then you are possibly guilty of something. But SURELY a sensible judge would ignore what the press says, and the robber would get a more severe sentence, - and maybe the dogowner would get a warning or charges quashed etc.

If you are guilty of cruelty to animals, and a good samaritan attempts to come over the fence to sort it out, then a sensible judge would surely come down harder on the homeowner (yes?)

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PS We could talk about what happens if an intruding robber is shot I guess - and where does the homeowner stand there - but that's getting a bit more tricky For another thread etc.

Then again - had this lady lost her life due to those dogs ( and she'll obviously have massive medical bills ) ... ..... watch this space as they say.

 

[Rapture]

Also lol
I screwed up in that off-thread and confusing post about red and green lights.

Obviously if you go through a green light and you are hit by someone running a red, then you are blameless sheesh.

What I meant was if you went through green and then HIT someone who went through red, then you are "less blameless". - as I said 98-2, or maybe 99.5: 0.5 whatever.

I mean, I suspect some fineprint in the road rules would say that you should always be able to stop in time to avoid things in front of you etc.

Don't sweat over it ... Iit's fine ... I picked up what you meant .. All good

 

[Rapture]

Also lol
.........................
Back to this thread - - If you have a dog that bites a burglar, then you are possibly guilty of something. But SURELY a sensible judge would ignore what the press says, and the robber would get a more severe sentence, - and maybe the dogowner would get a warning or charges quashed etc.

If you are guilty of cruelty to animals, and a good samaritan attempts to come over the fence to sort it out, then a sensible judge would surely come down harder on the homeowner (yes?)

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One would like to think so .... Like you said , we'll need to wait and see ..

You're right ,.. If she had lost her life it would have been a different story , but surely you must agree that there was fair warning to indicate that it wasn't the smartest things to do ??? ..

Have the owners not been located as yet.. I am dying to hear what they have to say .. Just to stop the speculation and put another side to this story .. I'd hate to see it was really a case of dog neglect ..

 

[SevenFX]

There a Good chance the mods may rename this thread to "Intersections & Traffic Lights - Red & Green." LOL

Some interesting POV of Dog Attacks & Common Sense as well.

 

[2020hindsight]

When I hear intruders in the yard at night - I tell the dog to do her famous "shadow on the curtain" trick - plus she barks into a loud speaker.

 

[2020hindsight]

hey whiskers - here's a couple of stories- call em "how to' and "how not to" challenge a burglar

the right way - dog starts barking at night, I look out the window and some young bloke is making his way towards the house - I pull the blind back and say " mate, I can let the dog out if you like - but in any case, I've already rung the police" - he took off

the wrong way - dog starts barking - I wake and hear the billycarts beside the house being stolen ( I'd made em for a cubs event) - in fact three young blokes are heading for the front gate with them in tow.... I charge to the door with a lump of 4X2, dog barking like crazy by now lol - he was a Great Dane and he's skidding out on all the corners lol - kids take off down the street leaving the go carts - into an HR Holden and woom - off in a cloud of dust.

So I get in the car wearing my pyjama pants - which look remarkably like a pair of Y fronts lol - and the dog , and charge after them, - get to the corner, the HR is gone, but there's a police car. So I pass that and pull them over with a handsignal. I run back and ask them "have you seen an HR go past with 3 teenagers?" - they listen... heads tilted lol " because they tried to steal my go carts" ...

At this stage the first cop says to me "ok o k- look , um - just blow in this straw for us will you" - so sure I give up on the chase for a bit and blow - result is Im stone cold sober -

Cops look amazed .. " bullsh1t" says the first cop - gives me another straw - "Do it again!!" - lol - again I pass.

He drives away saying "ok if I see an HR I'll let you know ..." vrrmmm
I call out to their dust " but, but, you don't even know where I liv...."

 

[Whiskers]

Yeah, yeah... I believe ya, 2020.

As I read that I remembered a clip of a late move last night. I think it was called the highway patrolman. :topic

Anyway the bit that popped into my mind when you mentioned those cops is where this patrolman stopped on the side of the road, he looks over and sees a mother breast feeding a baby. The next shot is over the womans shoulder looking down, with the baby crying in the background and this cop latched on for a drink. Then he drives off with milk all over his top lip.

I don't know why I remembered it just then, maybe it had something to do with cops and robers... or keystone cops

 

[2020hindsight]

......a clip of a late movie last night. I think it was called the highway patrolman. ......... then he drives off with milk all over his top lip.

:topic
well I'd say that's one highway patrolman who's unlikely to make it to deputy commissioner - :eek3:

Sure your movie wasn't a Monty Python?

Anyway. lol - back on topic - I've had three occasions where the dog(s) have prevented a burglary

(and strangly enough, breast feeding didn't spring to my mind on any of those occasions lol)

PS whiskers - sure makes a change from discussing red and green lights.
(funny dude lol)

 

[Rapture]

:topic

PS whiskers - sure makes a change from discussing red and green lights.
(funny dude lol)

You know you now have me thinking twice before I go through green lights now??? You have scarred me

 

[Rapture]

hey whiskers - here's a couple of stories- call em "how to' and "how not to" challenge a burglar

the right way - dog starts barking at night, I look out the window and some young bloke is making his way towards the house - I pull the blind back and say " mate, I can let the dog out if you like - but in any case, I've already rung the police" - he took off

the wrong way - dog starts barking - I wake and hear the billycarts beside the house being stolen ( I'd made em for a cubs event) - in fact three young blokes are heading for the front gate with them in tow.... I charge to the door with a lump of 4X2, dog barking like crazy by now lol - he was a Great Dane and he's skidding out on all the corners lol - kids take off down the street leaving the go carts - into an HR Holden and woom - off in a cloud of dust.

So I get in the car wearing my pyjama pants - which look remarkably like a pair of Y fronts lol - and the dog , and charge after them, - get to the corner, the HR is gone, but there's a police car. So I pass that and pull them over with a handsignal. I run back and ask them "have you seen an HR go past with 3 teenagers?" - they listen... heads tilted lol " because they tried to steal my go carts" ...

At this stage the first cop says to me "ok o k- look , um - just blow in this straw for us will you" - so sure I give up on the chase for a bit and blow - result is Im stone cold sober -

Cops look amazed .. " bullsh1t" says the first cop - gives me another straw - "Do it again!!" - lol - again I pass.

He drives away saying "ok if I see an HR I'll let you know ..." vrrmmm
I call out to their dust " but, but, you don't even know where I liv...."

You see ... Now if the dogs had bitten them ...... ????? .......??????

LOL.... PJs probably scared them off ..... :

 

[2020hindsight]

You see ... Now if the dogs had bitten them ...... ????? .......?????? PJs probably scared them off .....

yep I'd probably have been in trouble I suggest - not sure what I was thinking about that night lol.

(hence the other story of how I tackled the situation when it reoccurred. I'm more of a pacifist rather than a pac-a-fist. )

Speaking of which, not many know that the Yfront is designed around a peace sign - (or was it the other way round ?) - from the Vietnam war days - "be sure to wear some flowers in your hair" etc

 

[Happy]

28 November 2007 - 7:49AM
Source: Central Western Daily, NSW


COUNCIL ORDERS REMOVAL OF PIT BULL AFTER ATTACK
Janice Harris


A woman says she will defy an Orange City Council order to cage or surrender her restricted breed American pit bull terrier which she says is like a member of her family.
“She’s our baby - like one of the family - she even sleeps on my two-year-old’s bed,” owner Chantell Farrell said.

The order from council rangers came after the dog escaped from the family home and attacked another dog, biting a man who tried to separate the dogs.
Ms Farrell yesterday said the dog had lived inside the house with her family for eight years and would fret if separated from her young children and caged in the backyard.
“To me she’s a lap dog. I am going to fight this,” she said.
However, Orange City Council rangers visited the home yesterday and gave Ms Farrell an ultimatum, saying she had 14 days to meet the requirements for owning a restricted breed.
Communications manager with Orange City Council Nick Redmond said council had no option but to ensure compliance with State Government legislation which requires restricted breed dogs to be desexed, caged and muzzled when out of a caged environment.
Ms Farrell said her 10-year-old American pit bull ‘Narla’ has been part of the family for eight years and had formed a strong bond with her two preschoolers aged five and two, living in close proximity with them since they were babies.

However, council says the unpredictability of the breed and its predisposition to unprovoked attacks had led to tight legislation which the council was required to enforce.
“The penalties are clear - $5500 for an animal which isn’t kept properly and up to $55,000 for a dog which has been involved in an attack, like this one has,” Mr Redmond said.
“The issue for council is protection of the community and compliance with legislation.”
Ms Farrell said the attack occurred after the dog escaped out the front door after her five-year-old daughter inadvertently opened it.
The dog was involved in a fight with a dog in the street. When a friend tried to intervene to separate the dogs, he was bitten on the face.

I only pray, that lap dog baby family member doesn’t turn on the kids.
If it does, we will probably hear about it.

 

[Rapture]

OK .. This dog has attacked another dog and a person ... What makes her think she has any other choice appart from the 2 offered ? Even then , why would you play Russian Roulette with your family ... ... It only needs to do it once ....

Personally, I wouldn't take the risk ... I'd say put it down .. I hate Pit Bulls ( sorry if anyone has one ...) and all those breeds used for fighting ... Looking at the breed, its history and its temperament, I can't see how she'll have much Public Support on this one ......IMO...

 

[Julia]

Agree with Rapture. This breed is more unpredictable than any other in my experience. I was walking through a park once with my dog on a lead walking beside me. A family came towards us, a pit bull also on a lead.
All looked OK, Pitbull wasn't straining at the leash or looking aggressive.
But just as the two dogs were side by side, the Pitbull just lunged at my dog aiming for her throat. Fortunately the owner quickly jerked it away before it actually made contact but it was a frightening experience.

Fines don't mean much to people like this woman.

 

[2020hindsight]

Agree with Rapture. This breed is more unpredictable than any other in my experience. I was walking through a park once with my dog on a lead walking beside me. A family came towards us, a pit bull also on a lead.
All looked OK, Pitbull wasn't straining at the leash or looking aggressive.
But just as the two dogs were side by side, the Pitbull just lunged at my dog aiming for her throat. Fortunately the owner quickly jerked it away before it actually made contact but it was a frightening experience.

Fines don't mean much to people like this woman.

Those fines sure should make people think. I guess rich people ignore the quantum of fines

I agree Rapture and Julia, Pitbulls shouldn't be family pets.

USA sure know how to slug you with fines - As Qantas is fnding out . They have "triple damages" whereby when you screw people, you pay back thrice.

Heaps of examples on Google:-
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=triple+damages&meta=

 

[2020hindsight]

PS Julia, lol - always exceptions to "the rules"

The other day my dog (say 35kg bitch) was chasing a ball I had thrown down at an off-lead park , and just as she was slowing down to gather the bouncing ball in her mouth, a giant of a german shepherd charged down at her from behind and bowled her over - most aggressive on his part, and the most upset I've seen my dog for a while as well. She was limping hurt for a while, but nothing permanent. To be fair, the Shepherd immediately took off - to chase down another victim lol.

On another day, a big Great Dane cross (unusual for these to be aggressive)decided to pick a fight with a very placid Boxer. - both male - no provocation, he just went for the other dog. But it was the way he went about it - the Boxer was kocked over on his back - the Dane Cross Grabbed its foreleg and gave it the rag doll treatment - massive cut , you'd have thought broken or dislocated as well. The owner of the Dane started to head off, but the boyfriend of the girl who owned the Boxer brought him back to get his details , and make him witness and acknowledge the damage - and he agreed to pay the vet's bills

 

[Happy]

On another day, a big Great Dane cross (unusual for these to be aggressive)decided to pick a fight with a very placid Boxer. - both male - no provocation, he just went for the other dog. But it was the way he went about it - the Boxer was kocked over on his back - the Dane Cross Grabbed its foreleg and gave it the rag doll treatment - massive cut , you'd have thought broken or dislocated as well. The owner of the Dane started to head off, but the boyfriend of the girl who owned the Boxer brought him back to get his details , and make him witness and acknowledge the damage - and he agreed to pay the vet's bills

I just hate the pay the bill, say sorry, or that my dog never did anything like that ever before, some say there must be something wrong with you or your dog.

I am more for it not happening in a first place.

What about trauma? What about changes in skeletal or muscle structure, what about some germs that just affect your body long time after it happened and you never link it with the incident?

I’d rather kill all dangerous breeds of dogs than have one child killed, innocent or not.

 

[Rapture]

I'm just curious , do people actually research their breeds before adding them to a family home ?

I know when we were in the market for a dog , we looked at the breed that would agree with our family , temperament was the first on our list ....

 

[Julia]

2020, yes, you're quite right. Recently I was passing a house where they had put down new turf. It was beautiful and I was interested to know where they'd sourced it. About to open the gate and go and knock on the front door when a Labrador came bounding up to the gate, teeth barred, growling and barking very aggressively. No way I'd be going through the gate.
Now there's a breed usually known for its gentle nature.

I think, too, a breeder can produce puppies with good temperament but if the owners mistreat them or encourage aggression, then we have that whole nature/nurture debate.

This morning I was on the beach tossing a stick into the water for my dog
(German Shepherd) when suddenly there appeared four German Shepherds and a small terrier. Two blokes with them. None on a lead. They came rushing up to us as a pack. No harm done - they were boisterous but not aggressive in any way. Still, I'm not really comfortable with four big dogs rushing at us like that.

Re your described two encounters. Neither of those is acceptable. The owners of those dogs should keep them on a lead if they are any risk at all to any other dog or person. As Happy says, it's also the trauma of being attacked, for both dog and owner. Again it comes down to the same old thing: irresponsible owners.

Rapture: I suspect many prospective dog owners never consider researching breeds. They see a cute little puppy and that's that. No thought about how much exercise or company the dog is going to need. I often even see a puppy as young as about 8 weeks out on the beach, before they've had their 12 week vaccination.