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Being a dog owner, and owning one which get it's fair share of publicity, make me dissapointed and sad at the same time for all that this story has affected... yes including the lady that thought it was safe to climb int a strangers backyard with 3 big dogs there... couragous I'd say.

Goes without saying the dogs had to be put down for the attack, but they have and will continue to what dogs do, protect thier pack, and the tertitory they live in.

However common sense is not so common anymore, and it's a shame the lady didn't just call the ranger or police to deal with it, as they are the trained professionals..

I normally think most dogs behaviour are a reflection of their owners, but cant comment as these dogs could have acted out of instinctive behaviour.

SevenFX


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=328083

A woman has been mauled by two large dogs which had to be shot, one five times, when Taser guns failed to subdue the animals during the frenzied attack south of Perth.

The 29-year-old woman was critically injured when set upon by two Bull Mastiff dogs after jumping a fence at her mother's house at Mandurah yesterday afternoon to help a puppy in distress, police said.

Health authorities have told police the the woman was lucky to survive the attack and would have died had the helicopter arrived two minutes later.

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"I saw the poor girl laying there with all the dogs around her and her mum was just yelling, 'They're eating her'," neighbour Barbara Mitchell told a Perth newspaper.




The dogs continued to attack even after several shots were fired, one policeman said.

"Both dogs received several gunshot wounds, one dog took five shots before it would drop," he said

Police spokesman Ian Hasleby said the woman had climbed the fence and was then attacked by two big Bull Mastiff dogs.

"As she tried to get back over the fence the dogs took hold and dragged her back into the yard and began a frenzied attack," he said.

"The woman's mother took a garden hose and sprayed the dogs in an attempt to keep them at bay as three police officers arrived."

Police used Taser guns to little effect and were forced to shoot and kill one of the dogs with their firearms. The second dog was shot by council rangers.

A third large dog was secured and removed from the yard by rangers.

Mr Hasleby said the woman was transferred from the Peel Health Campus by helicopter to the Royal Perth Hospital for emergency treatment to serious wounds to her face, legs and body.

Her condition today is critical but stable.

A police officer was bitten on the leg during the attack and attended hospital for a tetanus shot.

The dog's owners have yet to be contacted. They were not at home at the time of the attack, The West Australian reported.
 
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So awful. Yes, in retrospect I'm sure the poor woman would agree that she should have called for help, but I can just imagine how she would have felt seeing the puppy in trouble.

The owners should not have left a puppy with two adult dogs.
I wonder what happened to the pup?
 
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I wonder what happened to the pup?

The puppy is receiving councelling, beleiving he was the cause of all this.

Julia, I can't see myself ever entering someone else backyard knowing 3 large dogs live there and may only get fed at night.

Wonder if the "Common Sense Courses" would be popular... (sorry bite lady).

Anyway the dog(s) has been put down, all because he couldn't speak, so he did the next best thing in his tertitory.

Why can I see this happening again and again.... even though dogs (mans & woman's best friend)....????
 
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Wow I am amazed that the Police must have actually shown up in quick time.

The woman is damn lucky to survive, what was she thinking entering someone's back yard with 1 dog let alone 3!!
 
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The puppy is receiving councelling, beleiving he was the cause of all this.

Julia, I can't see myself ever entering someone else backyard knowing 3 large dogs live there and may only get fed at night.

Wonder if the "Common Sense Courses" would be popular... (sorry bite lady).

Anyway the dog(s) has been put down, all because he couldn't speak, so he did the next best thing in his tertitory.

Why can I see this happening again and again.... even though dogs (mans & woman's best friend)....????

How about the common sense of not owning dogs that have instincts to kill?
 
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How about the common sense of not owning dogs that have instincts to kill?

Looks like reasonable question.

But if we cannot have firearms, until somebody uses one, they are quite good line of defence
 
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Well, I think she was very brave to try to rescue the puppy. She will probably get sued by the owners though.
 
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How about the common sense of not owning dogs that have instincts to kill?

Chops there must literally hunderds of thousands of dogs that fit your discription, but instincts to Kill, is a survival and/or tertitorial instinct.

Generally survival instints are removed by feeding them, and tertitorial instincts are removed by putting a fence around them. Guessing again these were met... in this case...????

These dogs along with some humans are also influenced by social & enviromental shaping, hence why they are so accepted in society.

Guessing some humans resort to that if pushed and put into that state, or we would be putting them down along with alot of dogs, not to mention a few humans...:eek:

Lets hope not... or we would have to cull a few lions, tigers and few other creatures...

SevenFX
 
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Chops there must literally hunderds of thousands of dogs that fit your discription, but instincts to Kill, is a survival and/or tertitorial instinct.
Perhaps, the ability to kill might be a fairer statement.
 
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Perhaps, the ability to kill might be a fairer statement.

Perhaps the Inclination and/or are breed to kill people/dogs maybe fairer, as any dog with decent teeth have the ability, unless they cant' reach... LOL.

Anyway there is no silver bullet, but there needs to be solutions working more towards that.
 
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At first one can't help feeling sorry for the woman who jumped the fence and got bitten by the dogs. I almost wrote... feeling sorry for the woman who got attacked by the dogs... but that paints the wrong picture of context for what happened.

I just heard on Ten news that the dogs had been left for three days without food or water. Whether that is completely true has yet to be established because the owners have not yet been contacted. It is probably more factual at this stage to say there is no food or water with the dogs.

Anyway, there may be some good reason why the owners have not been home for three days. In any event three days is not an extraudinary period to leave pets unattended. I've done it and many people I know have left a good supply of feed and water for their pets to go away for two days.

I have been bitten on the footpath by a cattle dog, in true cattle dog style, sneaking up behind without a noise and nipping me in the calf muscle and pestered by a few smaller foxies and the like, so I might be first to condem the dogs, but this is different. The dogs seem to be only doing what they were bred and presumably bought for, to protect the property while the owners were not there.

From what I could see the property had a high metal fence around and good shade, just what you would expect for a dog owner to have to properly house their dogs. I know people who have had their premises burgled frequently and the only thing that stopped the burgleries was guard dogs.

Presumably it was the mother who told the police the owners were away for three days and the dogs hadn't been fed or watered... what on earth were they thinking going over the fence in those circumstances.

Anyone who knows anything about training guard dogs knows that is exactly the sort of behaviour the dogs are trained or bred to attack to. I hope the woman recovers OK, then someone should give her a good lecture about the stupidity of her actions.

I'm with prospecter. If I was the owners I would be considering sueing.
 

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I feel sorry for the woman and wish her a speedy recovery , but would I be fair in saying that she was trespassing on private property ?
 
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RSPCA had already been there and left a note the day b4 :(

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/23/2098678.htm

The RSPCA says it visited the property the day before the 29-year-old woman was attacked.

Robin Moore from the RSPCA says an inspector visited the property on Wednesday and noted the dogs were in poor condition.

He says the inspectors probably would have seized the dogs today if they had not heard from the owners.
 
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RSPCA had already been there and left a note the day b4 :(

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/23/2098678.htm

Regardless of the reason why the owners were away so long and whatever the reason may unfold to be, this highlights the stupidity of the woman getting over the fence, when the RSPCA would no doubt have come immediately if they were phoned and informed a pup was in distress.

Again, I hope she recovers from her injuries, but it's looking more and more like a case of stupid behaviour inviting trouble.

Call me cynical, but one has to wonder sometimes whether the woman clambering over the fence was doing so in the best interest of the pup or something else. I mean seriously, in all the circumstances, is she really that stupid or is it a conveinent excuse for being caught tresspassing for something else.
 
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I can't understand why people have pets when they are clearly incapable of looking after them ( if this is the case ) .
rapture, yep - trouble with most difficult dogs is their (history of) owners.:2twocents Sounds like someone could well be sued for sure.

But I would personally never get one of the dogbreeds trained to kill for instance. I know Bull Terrier owners swear by them - not sure the difference between them and Pitbull - by I personally wouldn't go near either of them.

Changing subject - We had a puppy from animal rescue once - a Heinz including some cattledog and some kelpie - some of the litter had cigarette burns. :(

He was one screwed up little dog - only really happy when hiding undera sideboard. In the end he died of natural causes at about 4 years - I was just happy I didn't take two of the litter (as I planned to do at one stage).

Regardless of the reason why the owners were away so long and whatever the reason may unfold to be, this highlights the stupidity of the woman getting over the fence, when the RSPCA would no doubt have come immediately if the were phoned and informed a pup was in distress.
Whiskers , ;)
I'm not gonna comment on the "excuse theory" -
but a couple of lessons
1. maybe the RSPCA could have left a message to say they were "on the case"
2. I'm sure the lady is older and wiser, (as we all are - at her expense) - and "ringing the RSPCA" is what she will (and we should) do next time as well.

PS I think you'll find it was all three dogs in distress - but it's early days as you say. :2twocents
 
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btw, would anyone here march up to this lady in hospital and accuse her of being stupid to jump the fence -

BEFORE asking her of her version of events ? - sheesh.
 
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rapture, yep - trouble with most difficult dogs is their (history of) owners.:2twocents Sounds like someone could well be sued for sure.

Yeah 2020, I'm a bit loath to pass judjement on the dogs or owners yet, until I hear from the owners other than to say from my experience of guard dogs I think they tend to keep them more on the lean side than the fat so they don't become lazy and slow.

But I would personally never get one of the dogbreeds trained to kill for instance. I know Bull Terrier owners swear by them - not sure the difference between them and Pitbull - by I personally wouldn't go near either of them.

Changing subject - We had a puppy from animal rescue once - a Heinz including some cattledog and some kelpie - some of the litter had cigarette burns. :(

He was one screwed up little dog - only really happy when hiding undera sideboard. In the end he died of natural causes at about 4 years - I was just happy I didn't take two of the litter (as I planned to do at one stage).

Your right there is no excuse for this sort of cruelty.

Whiskers , ;)
I'm not gonna comment on the "excuse theory" -
but a couple of lessons
1. maybe the RSPCA could have left a message to say they were "on the case"
2. I'm sure the lady is older and wiser, (as we all are - at her expense) - and "ringing the RSPCA" is what she will (and we should) do next time as well.

PS I think you'll find it was all three dogs in distress - but it's early days as you say. :2twocents

Yes, early days yet. Interesting to see how it unfolds.

Just as a point of interest, I spent some of my younger years in the surveying business and jumped into a few backyards and front yards. I found most dogs will tolerate someone coming in the front gate to the front door providing they don't make rash moves or threatening guestures.

I got the impression that this mother was the one that contacted the RSPCA in the first place and if they had gone to the front gate to enquire first they would have seen the RSPCA note anyway. The fact that they jumped the boundary fence prima facie suggests to me that they knew nobody was home. That's why I wondered about the real reason for going in there.
 
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1. no excuse for this sort of cruelty.

2. Just as a point of interest, I spent some of my younger years in the surveying business and jumped into a few backyards and front yards. I found most dogs will tolerate someone coming in the front gate to the front door providing they don't make rash moves or threatening guestures.

3. I got the impression that this mother was the one that contacted the RSPCA in the first place and if they had gone to the front gate to enquire first they would have seen the RSPCA note anyway. The fact that they jumped the boundary fence prima facie suggests to me that they knew nobody was home. That's why I wondered about the real reason for going in there.
whiskers
1. yep - perhaps true, praps just anecdotal - back in the old days, expats in PNG (and probably India and elsewhere) used to make watchdogs "racially prejudiced" - put the dogs in a bag, beat them, and tell the houseboy to let them out :(

2. wow - surveyors must get this all the time - spot on .
speaking of anecdotes, lol - used to deliver phonebooks with the kids when they were cubs. We were asked to deliver right to the front door in those days lol. Sheesh - no way would i let the kids go into most of those yards ... like, you see a sign with a salivating dog saying "make my day!!! - come through the gate !!"

or maybe a picture of some bloke with a shotgun saying "don't worry about the dog !! - beware of the owner!!" :eek:

Several phonebooks were hoiked 100 metres from the footpath, lol - landing "perfectly" on the porch ;) - by perfect I mean within 20 metres lol.

3. yep interesting points there - the dog's (dogs' ?) distress could well have been in evidence for a day or three :2 twocents ;) some people !?

Used to have a factory in Bankstown - a factory down the road had a watchdog in the yard - never even taken for a walk etc - truly cruelly treated !! :(
 
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2. wow - surveyors must get this all the time - spot on .
speaking of anecdotes, lol - used to deliver phonebooks with the kids when they were cubs. We were asked to deliver right to the front door in those days lol. Sheesh - no way would i let the kids go into most of those yards ... like, you see a sign with a salivating dog saying "make my day!!! - come through the gate !!"

Yeah it was an interesting time. I used the Crocodile Dundee caper to pretty good effect most times. Just stand there with the hand out a bit and stare them down. Sometimes they capitulated into a grovelling little puppy. But for when it didn't, it gave me a minute or two to plan my fastest exit. :cautious:

Sometimes in the bush it would be a mob of inquisitive steers thundering up to check us out. I'll never forget one day we were working on the Goonyella railway line resumption survey and fair dinkim, I was late teens and been around cattle a bit, but this mob just kept galloping on. I thought they were never going to stop. :22_yikes: It was like playing chicken and I chickened out first for the nearest tree. :hide: :D
 
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