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Okay then, 5th, lol.
Get a few more Ernie Dingos, Noel Pearsons and tell them to fix it themselves by joining the rest of us in the 21st century.
OK see your point but what’s the answer to the current situation with aboriginals?
Nioka that would be great but in my own experience when it comes to the crunch they are seen as whites just like us unfortunately I don’t think any one knows how to achieve your outcome where you take an indigenous culture and integrate it I think its impossible and money wont help
Focus
Leaving aside the question of compensation for a moment, I'd like to ask those who feel the Aborigines are in the dysfunctional state they are because of white people what remedy you feel would be appropriate?
Is the payment of multiple millions suddenly going to stop violence and sexual abuse?
I'm not against removal of any children with justified cause.Next question: it's clear that the sexual abuse of children is widespread in the communities. You are emphatically against the removal of children apparently, so are you in these circumstances condoning the leaving of these abused children (and those with the potential to be abused) with the offending communities rather than removing them (?stealing them) so they may be placed into white foster care?
It's not just about making a contribution to society as a whole, they need to understand it's about making a contribution to their own society. I have a couple of farmers as clients who come and see me every so often. And they, and their neighbours, through generation of care, painstaking recording and documentation, know the local dialect very well. But, the locals no longer know it, don't speak it correctly, adopt the English pronunciation and refuse to relearn the actual proper way of speaking in their actual tongue. It's this sort of rubbish that needs to change, but if they have no real elders, it aint going to happen.These are my concerns. I don't care about the money one way or the other.
If it were to turn a dysfunctional people into human beings who genuinely wanted to uphold whatever valuable traditions may be left of their culture,
protect their women and children, and actually consider that making a contribution to our society in general might be more rewarding than living in the past, then I'm all for it.
Great points. You try bringing up aboriginal crime statistics in a sociology tute and see how long you last. It's crazy. Recognition of facts on all sides is a first step.if i were king of the world i would -
1. admit aborigines are different. maths, english and science isn't their thing, they are intellectually less developed than whites and asians in these areas which instantly puts them at a disadvantage in the education system. i think everyone agrees education is the most important avenue out for any people stuck in a rut.
2. testing indicates aborigines have amazing visual acuity, perception and visual based memory, so they need tailored education which takes advantage of these strengths and leads into more relevant career paths. land management, cultural studies of art, language and dance, native biology, sports and subjects that they feel are relevant to them should be taught as primary subjects.
3. remote communities go to hell because there is nothing to do, if the youth are engaged in learning their culture, the land and animals, playing sport etc. it re-establishes a link to the land which is central to their traditional lifestyle and offers an alternative to getting high on petrol and raping the nearest female.
Me four...
Western society, (and Christian principles play a major role here) has done a few things wrong, but they have done a hell of a lot of things right...
And whilst there is room for improvement and acknowledgement of mistakes, there is nothing to apologise for. For those who have a blatant disdain for their own culture/religion of their ancestors, you really need to be be wary of what you wish for.... the alternatives ain't as pretty and idealistic as they are made out to be...
The simple life would have to be Australia in the 60's, 70's... now things are slightly less simple (thanks to peak oil), but no where near as difficult as the times when you were a slave to your ruler (and lets face it, most of us on this forum, ain't from any ruling class), had to fight fellow tribemens for food, etc, etc...
heck, we don't even have to capture and kill our animals, or know how to grow own crops, to eat... just need to go work, or surf the web and trade the asx.... how simple is that!!!
How do we solve it ?
Links to the land is an overworked excuse. How many white Australians with many generations of "links to the land" have had to give up that link in the last 40 years. Drought has forced off many, through debt. A lot because of progress overtaking them. eg The Snowy mountain graziers. Urban encroachment. The get bigger or get out attitude towards farming. Coal mining in the Hunter.
A lot in my early days lost their land through a succession of death duties.
I lost a lot of the land I roamed around as a kid to National parks and Aboriginal land right claims as well as urban development.
Can I have some of that compensation too.
P.S. I left some grafitti, I mean rock art, behind too. And a midden of my left over oyster shells.
can someone remind me please
a) when did the Abs get the vote, and
b) did any fight in our Army before that date. ?
..when compulsory voting was introduced in NSW in 1929, Aboriginal people were still excluded from voting under the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918. In 1962, the Federal Government gave Aborigines the optional right to vote. State laws, however, still classified "natives" as "wards of the state" and as such they were denied the right to vote in State elections.
When the six Australian colonies became a Federation in 1901, white Australia believed that the Aborigines were a dying race and the Constitution made only two references to them. Section 127 excluded Aborigines from the census (although heads of cattle were counted) and Section 51 (Part 26) gave power over Aborigines to the States rather than to the Federal Government. This was the situation until the referendum of 1967 when an overwhelming majority of Australians voted to include Aborigines in the census of their own country
The NSW Aborigines Welfare Board controlled Aboriginal lives until the 1960s, pursuing policies that are now acknowledged as having contributed to the destruction of Aboriginal families and society by separating children from their parents. These children became known as ‘the stolen generations’ and are still searching for their families. They now number between 15,000 and 20,000 in NSW alone. During the First World War, some four to five hundred Aboriginal people enlisted in the armed forces. During this time, the State government continued to remove Aboriginal children from their families, including youngsters whose fathers were serving overseas.
PS This extract from the Australian Constitution 1900 shows Section 127 before it was repealed in 1967 :-
If we gave them an apology and the money -----------
Then what ? (can be expected in the future)
Why don't we have a national I'm sorry day ,where we open our windows and shout as loud as we can ''IM &^%$^#@$% SORRY:fu::cussing:
Why don't we have a national I'm sorry day ,where we open our windows and shout as loud as we can ''IM &^%$^#@$% SORRY:fu::cussing:
that your kid was stolen from you whilst you were on active service saving the likes of jj''IM &^%$^#@$% SORRY
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