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So you'd be happy if the "alternative" companies were also able to throw out 5 unsuccessful trials and presented the one and only effective trial?
Do you really think this happens?
Please tell me, where has any safety analysis been performed on "natural" products, as well as quality control ... oh and any studies on efficacy?
In an earlier post I quoted the book "Bad Science" by Dr Ben Goldacre.Do you really think this happens?
Do you really need to ask? Whether I believe it happens or not is irrelevant, the fact is that can happen because there is no Register of Clinical Trials.
Soft Dough, if you bothered to read my posts properly I have stated several times that I believe natural products should be highly regulated. I am also saying that the regulation for pharmaceutical products in not strict enough.
Do you not believe that a company will bury a trial which shows their product in a poor light? I can tell you for sure that there are companies which have no compunction whatsoever in doing this. Or alternatively, change the method and/or data while the trial is in progress, until they get a result that says what they want.
I have heard a professor of medicine say categorically that there are no natural products which are comprehensively tested for effectiveness by the TGA. He did say they are checked for assurance they contain whatever substance they claim. This imo has nothing to do with their necessarily being effective. I notice on some that I've picked up and looked at that they usually say something like "May assist in the relief of....
......." etc.
Btw, it's a bit unfortunate that you seem to be the only person on this thread with your point of view. Don't mean to be, um, picking on you.
Sorry if I am very sceptical of natural health and procedures of some of the people who sell it, but I actually work in health, and see what is going on, read medical journals, and natural health journals and can tell you, there are a lot of false claims that the uneducated believe.
So why can't people take responsibility for their own health, instead of trusting a doctor because he/she is all knowing?
There is no incentive like storm to go past the boundaries, in fact most doctors that I have worked with are very conservative.
Except when it comes to handing out prescriptions...
In an earlier post I quoted the book "Bad Science" by Dr Ben Goldacre.
(I think he also has a website.)
I found it an enlightening read, even after many years of exposure to various aspects of the medical industry.
His suggestion that there should be one overall Register of Clinical Trials makes complete sense to me.
Do you not believe that a company will bury a trial which shows their product in a poor light? I can tell you for sure that there are companies which have no compunction whatsoever in doing this. Or alternatively, change the method and/or data while the trial is in progress, until they get a result that says what they want.
Gav, re TGA testing for quality and efficacy in 'natural' medicines which are intended for treating serious illness, I wouldn't have thought there would be too many of these. Do you have any examples?
I have heard a professor of medicine say categorically that there are no natural products which are comprehensively tested for effectiveness by the TGA. He did say they are checked for assurance they contain whatever substance they claim. This imo has nothing to do with their necessarily being effective. I notice on some that I've picked up and looked at that they usually say something like "May assist in the relief of....
......." etc.
Btw, it's a bit unfortunate that you seem to be the only person on this thread with your point of view. Don't mean to be, um, picking on you.
whatever..
Tell you what.
How about you do an experiment.
Go to the doctor, tell them that you have high cholesterol, high blood pressure and are feeling a "bit down".
See what you get prescribed.
Go to a naturopath tell them that you have high cholesterol, high blood pressure and are feeling a "bit down".
I bet they try to sell you $300 worth of placebos, do little or no tests and have no idea what tests to do anyway.
The doctor, will test you before giving any medications, that's what they do.
medicine is a very difficult course, it is usually 10-12 years of training until you are fully registered, the education and experience is phenomenal.
LOL touchy subject? In fact judging from your reply, you may want to go check your own blood pressure:
You may get someone try to sell you placebos and not do any tests if you seen someone who was not qualified (which is why the industry needs to be regulated), however if you seen my g/f when she was practicing she would have asked you to provide evidence for your high cholesterol (test or letter from doctor) before prescribing what she believed was best (I have no idea what she'd prescribe). As for the blood pressure, she can test that herself (and yes she IS qualified to do that). Depending on the client's circumstances the first thing she'd recommend aerobic activity, and maybe a magnesium supplement and/or hawthorn berry supplement - unlike the many GP's whom her clients have come from who end up with side effects from blood pressure meds without even being recommended aerobic activity...
Unfortunately their years of training and experience mean little if they prescribe something that has had insufficient testing. You may argue that alternative medicines have not had any testing for efficacy, and I agree with this. However, for prescibed drugs to be recalled shows they have had initally had insufficient testing, and should not have been prescribed in the first place. Unfortunately it is costing people their health, and often their lives.
Unfortunately their years of training and experience mean little if they prescribe something that has had insufficient testing.
hello,
perhaps some people might like to inform ASF members where pharmaceuticals originate from and how they are "farmed"
you can get penicillin on your orange
thankyou
associate professor robots
The doctor, will test you before giving any medications, that's what they do.
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