All Creatures Great and Small

[2020hindsight]

Should they eat them or not

http://www.aapn.org/xichang.html
furthermore noi, Should WE eat em or not ?
from someone who loves dogs, I find it inconceivable.

"Custom will reconcile people to any atrocity." (Shaw)
"The perpetual obstacle to human advancement is custom." (J. Mill)

http://www.aapn.org/index.html AAPN aims to develop intra-regional co-operation and provide an entry point for enquiries from other regions. It is a loose, cost-effective network for exchanging information and ideas and general mutual support. Issues include but are not limited to: animal welfare, animal rights, vegetarian and vegan concerns, humane education, wildlife habitat conservation, traditional medicine, zoos, safari parks, circuses, the fur trade, elephants, bears, tigers, wolves, dogs, cats, etc.

Please try to attend the next Asia for Animals Conference which will be in Bali in July 2008. The same website will be used as for the January 2007 conference in Chennai:

PS great picture there smurf - getting cold down in tassie by the looks

 

[2020hindsight]

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/10/1975052.htm
China's former food and drug chief executed
The former head of China's food and drug safety watchdog has been executed.
Zheng Xiaoyu, the head of the State Food and Drug Administration for seven years, was executed today.
He was at the centre of a series of tainted food and drug scandals which saw 100 people die in Panama after taking faulty Chinese drugs. The United States recently banned Chinese animal feed and elsewhere Chinese toothpaste had contained toxic ingredients.

Zheng was found guilty of taking bribes to approve substandard food and medicines. His execution is the most high profile act by the Government, as part of its crackdown on food and drug safety standards in Chinese goods.

I believe I also heard on PM that a stack of Chinese drugs had been shown to be useless, despite alleged scientific backing (under this bloke's administration) - hence the "powdered Rhinocerus horn" instead of viagra - killing beautiful animals for some peanut brain theory. (Incidentally, they also said this bloke was bound to be "the fall guy / scapegoat")

they talk of soft "horse whispers" and communication grand
they talk of language crisper than an oboe in a band
but anyone can whisper to a dog !!
....................... - they're our best friend !!! -
I shun the man who forces dogs to wimper to their end

 

[2020hindsight]

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DOGS AND HORSES
they talk of soft "horse whispers" and communication grand
they talk of language crisper than an oboe in a band
but anyone can whisper to a dog !!
....................... - they're our best friend !!! -
I shun the man who forces dogs to wimper to their end

the other dogs look on in fear, and what to make of this??
that man, their friend , should carry on, compassion so amiss
so much for wagging tail of yore, now wrapped between their legs
they cower in some corner - like tomorrow's "ham and eggs"

I love my dog, I can't explain the bond there in her eyes
She lives for simple words of mine she treasures like a prize
to kill her for some barbeque? - twould be worse than anzac tears
the ones they shed as their horses bled with a bullet between their ears

with the battle won
with the warring done
with the mount that had carried them one by one
through the flack and the flame
and the fire and the fame
to be told that their visa was swapped for a gun
no return with their boss to the silver fern
no return ? what? no paddocks for which they yearn
no return ? what? a slug to their head in return ?
no return to the land of the southern sun ?
not even as ash in a urn?!?!?

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=148050&highlight=horses#post148050

...a sad moment for the men who had to kill their horses because quarantine and expense prevented them from coming back to Aus.

REMEMBER THE HORSES TOO Kym Eitel
.......
The horses saw the desperate times, when death was all around.
They galloped through the screaming injured, thrashing on the ground.
They were shot at, strafed by German planes, felt shrapnel each grenade.
The wounded, frightened horses fell, as Turk machine guns sprayed.

..............
So many stories have been told – heroic acts of horses
who double-backed the injured men and dashed through Turkish forces (*6).
And when the war was finished, all the troopers clapped and cheered,
but what about the horses, that they loved and so revered?

Their horse was friend and comrade, through the thick of war and thin.
The Aussie politicians wouldn’t let them come back in.
They said, “Because of quarantine, and massive costs involved,
you’ll have to leave your mounts behind.” The troopers’ cheers dissolved.

The war was done. The men could leave that nightmare combat zone,
but first, they had to take the lives, of those who’d saved their own!
The younger mounts were volunteered to India’s command.
Those over four, were shot and left, to perish in the sand.

........
The horses’ frightened screaming rose above the gunshot rattle,
and left the men with lifelong scars, of killing after battle.
A thankless way to thank each horse for service in the sand,
and fearless dedication shown to save our precious land.

One hundred and eighty thousand horses, gave their blood and lives(*7),
to help return our troopers to their children and their wives.
They gave their all, and still found more, brave gallantry to give.
They’d never see green fields again, or come back home to live.........

 

[2020hindsight]

Grizzly Man Trailer
Best Bear Fight on Video

It was filmed by the Grizzly Man Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard, who were killed in October of 2003 while filming the grizzlies in Alaska.

 

[2020hindsight]

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=193666&highlight=clydesdales#post193666
Clydesdales
including this one ...
Budweiser Commercial - Respect (after 9/11)

 

[noirua]

Grizzly Man Trailer
Best Bear Fight on Video

Hi 2020, A link about Timothy Treadwell that is very interesting, especially for those who are deaf by speakers: http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

 

[Ageo]

Did anyone digest these pathetic trophy hunters with too much money?

As much as i agree with you that these guys deserve to be shot please dont put all hunters in the same boat. An experienced hunter would have cleanly taken that lion with 1 shot, obviously the shooter (not hunter) guide and whoever else was there were amatuers.

Before you start with your greenpeace speech and speak about hunting is cruel blah blah, look at this for reasoning.

Kenya has banned hunting now for 30 yrs and elephant numbers are really low simply because local villagers have no money and see elephants as either pests (damaging their farms) so they kill them or they see them as a valuable resource (ivory etc..).

Illegal poaching is the worst thing and unless you give the locals money (which is a reason not to kill em) you wont stop it.

Lets look at another part of Africa like Tanzania, commercial hunting is allowed which is very controlled. A certain number of tags are issued each year to make sure sustainability is a must.

Only old bulls are mostly taken so it doesnt effect the breeding of the elephants. Since elephant hunting is expensive (somewhat $20,000US per elephant bull) that raises alot of money. To locals that cash can be a lifetime income, so most of that money is spread amongst the locals to encourage them that elephants are a valuable resouce so preserve them for hunters and not kill them. Most locals now actually look out for game animals and make sure no one poaches as its like killing their investment. You could call it a sad way of thinking but thats how they think and whatever works to preserve these animals IMO. There is also the death penalty if someone is caught illegal poaching as its their money and food source.

So most people think hunting is bad blah blah, but in actual fact conservation hunting has actually proved to be a better form of conservation then anything else. A solution for both people is needed not just for 1 side.

 

[BIG BWACULL]

Don't know if this has been posted before but its quite unreal
Battle at Krueger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

 

[BIG BWACULL]

Grizzly Man Trailer
Best Bear Fight on Video

Its obvious he didnt Tread very well Lol
Can some one please embed my vid of Battle at Kruger, Makes life easier tried to do it once before but :bonk: didnt work also could someone refresh me on how exactly to do it :1zhelp: Thanks

 

[2020hindsight]

Its obvious he didnt Tread very well Lol
Can some one please embed my vid of Battle at Kruger, Makes life easier tried to do it once before but :bonk: didnt work also could someone refresh me on how exactly to do it :1zhelp: Thanks

BB - good one
as for mr treadwell - some youtubes there would suggest he was a bit imbalanced lol - certainly very emotionally involved with his bear facts - and bearly able to control his cusswords.

as for your question .... if you look at the full website address

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM ,

it's made up of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
plus
LU8DDYz68kM
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what you do is post
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and you get

 

[2020hindsight]

here's a couple for those who like clydesdales
Heavy Draft horse class-2

This team was 'hot to trot', as you can see by the Percheron (black horse) stomping while waiting to pull...this team never did sync up their initial 'hit' on the sled, though.

Keep in mind, these horses are pulling roughly twice their combined body weight. I believe at this point the sled weight was ~6800 lbs. Most of the teams competing had a combined weight of ~2500 to ~3000 lbs

Draft Horse - Michigan Great Lakes International - MSU 2006
11,000 lbs horse pull
Oxen in Medieval England

 

[2020hindsight]

tell me you can watch this without feeling ill ...
guess you'd need to know the motives, but sheesh
Bless (??) Africa - A Movie About Hunting and Life in Africa

Here is a small "documentary" video featuring footage from hunting in Africa.

It contain scenes from:
Modern Western Hunters
Jeep-Rope Hunters
African Tribal Spear Hunters
And some footage from the Muslim genocide in Tanzania.

 

[Ageo]

Doesnt look appealing but unfortunately most africans dont have the luxury of a butcher. Thats how it was done in the olden days

That Rhino was copping it but thats life i spose. A rifle is much more adequate if used by the right person.

 

[2020hindsight]

Doesnt look appealing but unfortunately most africans dont have the luxury of a butcher. Thats how it was done in the olden days

That Rhino was copping it but thats life i spose. A rifle is much more adequate if used by the right person.

Ageo, you could be right for a couple - not sure about the elephant(s) though. "Modern Western Hunters" and "Jeep-Rope Hunters" look like they're on a spree to me - but who nose.
(then of course the mass genocidal graves)
one incredibly tough continent (and in need of our help bigtime).
If I have ten lives, Buddha, I'll come back as an Aussie each and every time please .

PS here's one of the elephants pulling a spear out of his back with his trunk.

 

[noirua]

Ageo, you could be right for a couple - not sure about the elephant(s) though. "Modern Western Hunters" and "Jeep-Rope Hunters" look like they're on a spree to me - but who nose.
(then of course the mass genocidal graves)
one incredibly tough continent (and in need of our help bigtime).
If I have ten lives, Buddha, I'll come back as an Aussie each and every time please .

PS here's one of the elephants pulling a spear out of his back with his trunk.

Hi 2020, You could come back as an Aussie elephant and be responsible for breeding lots of little baby elephants, who would live happily ever after in Australia.

 

[Ageo]

Ageo, you could be right for a couple - not sure about the elephant(s) though. "Modern Western Hunters" and "Jeep-Rope Hunters" look like they're on a spree to me - but who nose.
.

Not sure whats the go with the Jeep etc.. looks like illegal poaching to me.

 

[2020hindsight]

I saw this a few days back - only after I'd checked with a couple of Indian mates and they assured me the cobra had been defanged (plus staged performance , plus jovial discussion etc) was I ready to post it. sheesh - talk about alarming
Most Incredible video! A Baby V/s a Cobra!

 

[BIG BWACULL]

I saw this a few days back - only after I'd checked with a couple of Indian mates and they assured me the cobra had been defanged (plus staged performance , plus jovial discussion etc) was I ready to post it. sheesh - talk about alarming
Most Incredible video! A Baby V/s a Cobra!

all i can say is WHAT THE :bonk:

 

[2020hindsight]

BB - yep that "kid with cobra" is something else yes?
how about this dog lol
My guess is he'll do this once too often lol.
I once went snorkling in a distant uninhabited island of Fiji, Niku Thikombia (something like that)
http://www.geonames.org/4035882/thikombia-island.html
- we were on a yacht at the time - literally hundreds of fish within metres - anyway there was a 1 metre long shark between me and the shore - I ignored it at the time - just kept spearing fish - I have since wondered just how lucky I am to have 10 toes lol .

PS The locals call em "friendly Fijian sharks"

Dog Attacks Shark

 

[numbercruncher]

The world's tallest man, Bao Xishun today shook hands with He Pingping who claims to be Earth's shortest.

While Mr Xishun, 56, towers above everyone at an astonishing 7.9ft, 19-year-old Mr Pingping is a mere 2.4ft high.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=468172&in_page_id=1811