Bill M
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It's a totally unacceptable situation to say the least and one that we need to do something about.Since when have we seen people knocking out the elderly, there is something wrong in society and there needs to be a strong message put out there somehow.
It's a totally unacceptable situation to say the least and one that we need to do something about.
Question is - what to do?
It's a totally unacceptable situation to say the least and one that we need to do something about.
Question is - what to do?
I havent read through the whole thread but I'll offer a perspective of 'alcohol fuelled violence' from the point of view of a 19 year old, who is sick of hearing about assualts and king hits. It scares me knowing theres people out there who do this
Firstly, there is no such thing as alcohol fuelled violence IMO. Its called a poor attitude. The kind of blokes who are doing these terrible acts have a poor mentality - go to the gym to look big, take drugs, get tattoos and try to intimidate. This has nothing to do with violence. Not to mention they have done other offences but been given weak punishments like good behaviour bonds
As you all know, alcohol is a depressant and impairs the body. How can someone who is 'fuelled' by alcohol have the physical ability to king hit someone? how could they hit them hard enough to knock them over? how could they hit them on the jaw to knock them back and fall on the ground? all of this doesnt make sense. maybe if they were on some other drug?
What needs to be done is stop blaming alcohol and coming up with radical ideas like 'no shots after 12am'. This does NOTHING. people just drink beer instead or compromise. A better plan would be to introduce harsh laws to punish those who do wrong. Why should those who do the right thing be punished?
Also the trial in newcastle, whilst it seemed to have worked, just meant everyone went to other places than newcastle while the trial was in place. useless
It drives me crazy when the media and other people say its the alcohol. Its like blaming the gun for shooting someone. Its the person who is in control and responsible.
(my bolds)The latest research in neuro-ethics (the interaction of the brain and personal responsibility) suggests that the concepts of personal responsibility and free will still have significant socio-cultural relevance. Thus the slap-on-the-wrist punishment favoured by some can provoke thugs to commit random acts of violence because it becomes a badge of honour to break the rules. Violence is seen as cool and trendy as part of the wannabe-gangsta culture. When we see the frightening phenomenon of the "knockout game" where people try to knock out complete strangers with one punch (known as polar-bear hunting when it is racially motivated), what sort of naive dupe really thinks that it is all because beer is advertised during the cricket?
We desperately need a Rudy Giuliani and not a Neville Chamberlain-like public health response. We should be taking on the perpetrators of violence in our streets, not cowering away from them and blaming ourselves for allowing them access to alcohol.
As you all know, alcohol is a depressant and impairs the body. How can someone who is 'fuelled' by alcohol have the physical ability to king hit someone? how could they hit them hard enough to knock them over? how could they hit them on the jaw to knock them back and fall on the ground? all of this doesnt make sense. maybe if they were on some other drug?
part of the issue is people don't realise how easy it is for a punch to kill. I blame the fight seens in action movies where the hero and villian slug it out with punch after punch, getting up and showing their strength.
I heard on a radio doco years ago at the punches in most movie fight scenes would kill a Rhino, so people dying from similar punches is understandable. Definitely don't have to be on any other drugs apart from alcohol to cause death.
I'd also say forcing the political parties to stop accepting donations from the Alcohol and Pubs industries is a godo step forward to allow action to take place. The current Liberal Govt in NSW has very close ties with the AHA, which probably explains why nothing has happened since the last election:
For starters, the chief executive of the NSW branch of the Australian Hotels Association, Paul Nicolaou, is a former Liberal candidate who for many years ran the state party's fund-raising arm, the Millennium Forum.
He also happens to be close to the minister responsible for liquor licensing matters in NSW, George Souris.
Then there is the party powerbroker Michael Photios, who runs the dominant left faction of the NSW Liberals.
To capitalise on the election of a Coalition government he established a political lobbying firm, Premier State. The AHA is a key client.
Now factor in the hundreds of thousands of dollars the AHA donated to the NSW Liberal Party shortly before the 2011 election, and a damning picture begins to emerge.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/ofarr...ed-violence-20140107-30fh9.html#ixzz2ptR2N02V
Maybe we should try the Malaysian approach.
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part of the issue is people don't realise how easy it is for a punch to kill. I blame the fight seens in action movies where the hero and villian slug it out with punch after punch, getting up and showing their strength.
I heard on a radio doco years ago at the punches in most movie fight scenes would kill a Rhino, so people dying from similar punches is understandable. Definitely don't have to be on any other drugs apart from alcohol to cause death.
I'd also say forcing the political parties to stop accepting donations from the Alcohol and Pubs industries is a godo step forward to allow action to take place. The current Liberal Govt in NSW has very close ties with the AHA, which probably explains why nothing has happened since the last election:
For starters, the chief executive of the NSW branch of the Australian Hotels Association, Paul Nicolaou, is a former Liberal candidate who for many years ran the state party's fund-raising arm, the Millennium Forum.
He also happens to be close to the minister responsible for liquor licensing matters in NSW, George Souris.
Then there is the party powerbroker Michael Photios, who runs the dominant left faction of the NSW Liberals.
To capitalise on the election of a Coalition government he established a political lobbying firm, Premier State. The AHA is a key client.
Now factor in the hundreds of thousands of dollars the AHA donated to the NSW Liberal Party shortly before the 2011 election, and a damning picture begins to emerge.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/ofarr...ed-violence-20140107-30fh9.html#ixzz2ptR2N02V
Agreed there and here's another similar example.What needs to be done is stop blaming alcohol and coming up with radical ideas like 'no shots after 12am'. This does NOTHING. people just drink beer instead or compromise. A better plan would be to introduce harsh laws to punish those who do wrong. Why should those who do the right thing be punished?
Also the trial in newcastle, whilst it seemed to have worked, just meant everyone went to other places than newcastle while the trial was in place. useless
Syd, you do need to stop over using the Liberal/ coalition bashing onus.
It detracts from your otherwise well thought out posts.
I'm sure we could find many Labor/union, hotel or alchohol based posts. You are starting to come across as a Labor Party media rep.
Whilst no doubt some would object to a surge in prices at bottle shops, to be honest they're a big part of the problem anyway. People get drunk on cheap booze, then turn up in the cities and cause trouble. And whilst I'm not going to defend smoking (I don't smoke), tobacco is a very highly taxed product on health grounds but I've never seen someone decide to bash someone innocent after having a cigarette. People seem reluctant to admit it, but alcohol is doing an awful lot of damage in Australian society these days (and for the record I do drink sometimes, but I don't go and bash someone afterward - getting drunk just makes me sing and dance rather badly).
Tony Abbott is on board to stop these cowardly acts.
"The police, the courts, the judges ought to absolutely throw the book at people who perpetrate this kind of gratuitous, unprovoked violence," Mr Abbott told 2GB radio on Thursday.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...en-violence-20140109-30jvp.html#ixzz2psmjIhhv
It's a National problem not a state problem!
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