Alan Jones has no shame

[noco]

Carbon tax, the list goes on.

A saving grace for the GST though was that it was put to the electorate.

Yes Doc and at the same time the dreaded sales tax was removed. Most of the left wingers never mention
the good things allied with the GST.

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting thread. I dont believe Jones does have shame. What he has become is a proficient attractor of media focus for the benefit of his advertisers..visavi..himself...he seems to embody this as his central MO in life. His 'apology' was as much an insult as the original comments and now he will be more marketable than ever once back on stream properly. The whole thing is disturbing as a feature of our society but there it is...each party attempting to leverage it for their own ends. Not sure that shame is much of a motivator for many involved.

Yes, it's time for a recession, people need something to really worry about.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes Doc and at the same time the dreaded sales tax was removed. Most of the left wingers never mention
the good things allied with the GST.

Good point noco, people forget before gst the wholesale tax was stupid, don't quote me but. 30% on shoes and clothing, 47% on cars/ parts even worse.
When you travelled overseas the price difference was stupid. Now it is cheaper to buy at home, since gst and the rise of the $aus.
I just wish people would focus on government issues, how some ******** can bring the country into disarray, just shows how lacklustre politics are at the moment.
I think labor are bringing you all the recession you need, to get over yourselves. Trust me, in twelve months time you won't give a $hit what Jone has to say.

 

[drsmith]

Agree, this is an orchestrated push against Jones using this as an excuse, completely over the top and ridiculous.

The sponsors should all get back on board to show enough is enough............or do they take orders from cyber bullies.

The sponsor's resistance to this is passive.

Yes Doc and at the same time the dreaded sales tax was removed. Most of the left wingers never mention
the good things allied with the GST.

And it was the left wingers (Democrats) that ultimately compromised it.

 

[sptrawler]

Sorry Doc, credit due, just a rush of stuff to the head when I read the comment, great point.

 

[drsmith]

It seems being a boofhead is a worse crime in Australia than lies and corruption.

Just wait till election day. Then we'll see how we feel about about lies and corruption.

In the meantime, there's Coopers Sparkling and Jennifer Rush video clips. It was Alan Jones who revived my memories of this (then) young lady's beautiful voice.

 

[Julia]

The whole thing is disturbing as a feature of our society but there it is...each party attempting to leverage it for their own ends. Not sure that shame is much of a motivator for many involved.

Excellent point. It is all about self interest on the part of every single participant.
That a great country can descend into this puerile level of behaviour inspires nothing more than despair.

 

[sptrawler]

Excellent point. It is all about self interest on the part of every single participant.
That a great country can descend into this puerile level of behaviour inspires nothing more than despair.

I tend to think it shows a lack of direction and vision, therefore the agenda is being driven by self interest and a manic drive to self preservation.
This has led to a government, that is made up of members that are more concerned with securing their retirement than, the diligent running of the country.
It really is a sad state of affairs, In My Opinion.
The economy is stalling, interest rates plummeting and we are ranting about what some ******** said.
Why isn't someone asking the worlds greatest treasurer, what is happening?

 

[Knobby22]

Finally a politician says what I think.

Mr Turnbull, speaking in Melbourne overnight.

"Mr Jones has complained today that he's been a victim of social media bullying, saying: 'If it happened anywhere else in society, this kind of bullying or harassment or intimidation or threatening conduct, the police would be called in'," Mr Turnbull said.

"But it is difficult not to believe he is getting a dose of his own medicine.

"After all, Mr Jones has waged more than a few onslaughts against individuals and businesses and encouraged more than a few email campaigns of his own."

This is the man who had a hand in the Cronulla riots, who has a litany of victims, individual and business who he has been forced to settle with in Civil cases. Freedom of speech does not mean enabling a person to incite hatred and/or riots without fear of repercussions. THe public has a right to be disgusted and act against him.

If we had a poll and it said who would like this man to retire, I believe you would get 90% of voters who would agree.
Democracy isn't only about elections. It is democracy at work that has stopped his advertisors. He has gone too far and no amount of spin and accusations from his few supporters on this thread changes the fact. He is a bully who doesn't like his own medicine. Onyo Turnbull, you have my vote.

 

[McLovin]

Finally a politician says what I think.

Mr Turnbull, speaking in Melbourne overnight.

"Mr Jones has complained today that he's been a victim of social media bullying, saying: 'If it happened anywhere else in society, this kind of bullying or harassment or intimidation or threatening conduct, the police would be called in'," Mr Turnbull said.

"But it is difficult not to believe he is getting a dose of his own medicine.

"After all, Mr Jones has waged more than a few onslaughts against individuals and businesses and encouraged more than a few email campaigns of his own."

This is the man who had a hand in the Cronulla riots, who has a litany of victims, individual and business who he has been forced to settle with in Civil cases. Freedom of speech does not mean enabling a person to incite hatred and/or riots without fear of repercussions. THe public has a right to be disgusted and act against him.

If we had a poll and it said who would like this man to retire, I believe you would get 90% of voters who would agree.
Democracy isn't only about elections. It is democracy at work that has stopped his advertisors. He has gone too far and no amount of spin and accusations from his few supporters on this thread changes the fact. He is a bully who doesn't like his own medicine. Onyo Turnbull, you have my vote.

+1

At least Turnbull calls it like it is.

This bit here...

But Mr Jones believes his association with certain products will encourage people to buy them … If other people take the view that an association with Mr Jones will lead them not to buy those products, why are they not able to tell the advertiser of their view and encourage others to do the same?

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...d--turnbull-20121008-279cm.html#ixzz28ku2RTxy

 

[Calliope]

Finally a politician says what I think.

... Onyo Turnbull, you have my vote.

Turnbull thinks he has struck a rich mother load of material to undermine Tony Abbott. The implication of his speech is that while he leads Jones' detractors, Tony Abbott is not so vocal. Turnbull is aligning himself with "The Handbag Hit Squad". His denunciation of Jones will go dnwn well with the sizable gay community in his electorate of Wentworth. Gays despise Jones because he won't come out of the closet.

This is aimed at Abbott;

"More importantly perhaps the avalanche of condemnation which followed was delivered by thousands of Australians expressing their views online, especially via Twitter and Facebook making it very difficult for Jones’s friends and supporters in the media and politics to brush that outburst off as just another example of 'Alan being Alan'.

Turnbull remains silent on that other piece of nastiness...Slipper.

 

[Bushman]

Turnbull remains silent on that other piece of nastiness...Slipper.

Oh I am enjoying Slippery Pete's antics so very much at the moment. Poor old Roxon is in a spot of bother now. On one hand, they have tried to portray Abbot as some sort of character out of a Clockwork Orange. On the other hand, she has been tasked in defending the Slippery one whose love of seafood makes Tony Abbott appear in comparison to be a stonger feminist than Wolf or Greer. Next move is yours Nicola; your propensity to 'speak now, research later' might well have backed you into a tight little corner of your own making.

Straight back and centre is that inconsequential issue of JUDGEMENT, or in this case, a lack thereof. The true gender bias in all this seems to be that the senior Labour women just cannot spot an 'issues man' like Slippery Pete, Thomson or even Jooles old union flame! Then they are out there attacking Abbott? This is becoming more slapstick now than an episode of Fawlty Towers.

Off course, the cold feeling of dread at the state of the political discourse and process in our society will probably keep me up tonight. Where once there was debate about policy, we now seem to only discuss personality. Celebrity culture is a vacuous culture that breeds contempt, complacency and disintegration.

More than ever, we need a credible third force in Australian politics. Right wing and left wing nutters, please do not apply. Nor presidential-types.

 

[drsmith]

Turnbull remains silent on that other piece of nastiness...Slipper.

Malcolom Turnbull is silent on lots of issues from the Labor side. He is simply not a team player.

 

[basilio]

Malcolom Turnbull is silent on lots of issues from the Labor side. He is simply not a team player.

Perhaps that is code for not mindlessly bashing every single thing the Govt does and every aspect of Julia Gilliards role as PM. After all that is the team approach of Tony Abbott.

Alan Jones has been one of the most spiteful, lying demagogues thrown up by the commercial media. In self interest almost all politicians have attempted to keep him onside to avoid his attacks and his use of the microphone to abuse them.

In fact Alan Jones is quite similar in many ways to Joe McCarthy who similarly terrorized American political life in the 50's with his deliberate lies and smears.

Joe McCarthy was finally brought undone when he went one smear too many and coped a well deserved public kick in xxxx. It's worth highlighting the background and what was said in comparing the reaction Alan Jones behavior and the public response.

Army–McCarthy hearings

On June 9, 1954, the 30th day of the Army–McCarthy hearings, McCarthy accused Fred Fisher, one of the junior attorneys at Welch's law firm, of associating while in law school with the National Lawyers Guild (NLG), a group which J. Edgar Hoover sought to have the U.S. Attorney General designate as a Communist front organization. Welch dismissed Fisher's association with the NLG as a youthful indiscretion and attacked McCarthy for naming the young man before a nationwide television audience without prior warning or previous agreement to do so:[citation needed]

Until this moment, Senator, I think I have never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is true he is still with Hale and Dorr. It is true that he will continue to be with Hale and Dorr. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty I would do so. I like to think I am a gentle man but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.

When McCarthy tried to renew his attack, Welch interrupted him:

Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers Guild. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

McCarthy tried to ask Welch another question about Fisher, and Welch cut him off:

Mr. McCarthy, I will not discuss this further with you. You have sat within six feet of me and could have asked me about Fred Fisher. You have seen fit to bring it out. And if there is a God in Heaven it will do neither you nor your cause any good. I will not discuss it further.

The gallery erupted in applause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_N._Welch

 

[drsmith]

Perhaps that is code for not mindlessly bashing every single thing the Govt does and every aspect of Julia Gilliards role as PM. After all that is the team approach of Tony Abbott.

No. He is simply not crirical enough of this government's faults and shortcomings which are many. This government should to be held to account for its failings and not be given a free ride from Malcolm Turnbull.

Of interest, Julia Gillard in Parliament today raised the death of her father in her defence of Peter Slipper as speaker.

2.52pm: The Prime Minister.

The government isn't dying of shame.

My father did not die of shame.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...ctober-9-2012-20121009-27a3c.html?reload=true

 

[Julia]

Oh I am enjoying Slippery Pete's antics so very much at the moment. Poor old Roxon is in a spot of bother now. On one hand, they have tried to portray Abbot as some sort of character out of a Clockwork Orange. On the other hand, she has been tasked in defending the Slippery one whose love of seafood makes Tony Abbott appear in comparison to be a stonger feminist than Wolf or Greer. Next move is yours Nicola; your propensity to 'speak now, research later' might well have backed you into a tight little corner of your own making.

Straight back and centre is that inconsequential issue of JUDGEMENT, or in this case, a lack thereof. The true gender bias in all this seems to be that the senior Labour women just cannot spot an 'issues man' like Slippery Pete, Thomson or even Jooles old union flame! Then they are out there attacking Abbott? This is becoming more slapstick now than an episode of Fawlty Towers.

Off course, the cold feeling of dread at the state of the political discourse and process in our society will probably keep me up tonight. Where once there was debate about policy, we now seem to only discuss personality. Celebrity culture is a vacuous culture that breeds contempt, complacency and disintegration.

More than ever, we need a credible third force in Australian politics. Right wing and left wing nutters, please do not apply. Nor presidential-types.

Great post, Bushman.

No. He is simply not crirical enough of this government's faults and shortcomings which are many. This government should to be held to account for its failings and not be given a free ride from Malcolm Turnbull.

Agree. Malcolm would be more comfortable as a member of the Labor Party imo.

Of interest, Julia Gillard in Parliament today raised the death of her father in her defence of Peter Slipper as speaker.

Really? What was the context?

 

[drsmith]

Really? What was the context?

Tony Abbott suggesting this government is dying of shame.

 

[Calliope]

Alan Jones has been one of the most spiteful, lying demagogues thrown up by the commercial media. In self interest almost all politicians have attempted to keep him onside to avoid his attacks and his use of the microphone to abuse them.

It appears you are not fond of Jones. What are you thoughts on Peter Slipper?

 

[explod]

Agree. Malcolm would be more comfortable as a member of the Labor Party imo.

Yeh because the Libs no longer represent ordinary business or farmers as was the case in the 70's, even Labor is right of centre.

Worth listening seriously to young people as they, are the here and now. What we think we know,(from the past) is now forgotten by the multitudes who are doing it hard on the ground to just survive each day. And I am talking about Australia.

Well worth getting out and about working among the poor. A good change from talking on chat rooms too.

 

[Miss Hale]

Yeh because the Libs no longer represent ordinary business or farmers as was the case in the 70's...

And you think Malcolm Turnball does?