Alan Jones has no shame

[stewiejp]

Insensitive/inappropriate? Definately

Shouldn't have said it? Absolutely

Worthy of getting the sack? Maybe

How's his ratings this week? I'm tipping records are being broken up in Sydney this week, and Jones' radio programme and station are rubbing their hands together. He won't get the sack, it's well publicised he's tried to contact JG to apologise and the phone's off the hook.

Seriously, a radio host says something inappropriate at a function. Who the f### cares? Everyone IMO is making a mountain over a molehill here. Having said that, what he said was entirely inappropriate (IMO), insensitive and simply too soon after the death. A lot of people turning this into political ammunition IMO here, but I guess that's what politically motivated people do.

 

[awg]

Interesting turn of phrase...the old man died of shame...I seem to recall this very old fashioned saying from my grandmothers times in North Sydney..I have never listened to Alan Jones, but I know he is a very intelligent man.
Maybe it did just slip of his tongue

Wonder who does listen to him given he is approx 69 yrs old and rabid right wing?..people with money I guess

had a gut laugh watching John Laws...got the distinct feeling he was gloating by acting the goat, as if to say "no matter how appalling I am, he is much worse"

My opinion is that Jones remark was highly offensive, and once it came into the public domain, he was required to make a far less lame apology than he did (try saying sorry and dont launch any attacks in the same breath !)

On more than one occassion I have made a remark that inadvertantly offended someone, and felt that an apology was required...even if it was qualified, I knew that you must not make further negative remarks if you wish for your apology to be regarded as sincere or to be accepted.

Unfortunately, there has been a few deaths recently and I am sure if I made a remark like that to many men I know, I would expect they would become enraged enough that very little chance may be offered to give an apology..so it is also cowardly

You would have to think he is clear frontrunner for "misogynist of the year" with Kyle Sandilands being the only other who comes to mind.

It would seem to me that Jones/Gillard have a strong personal dislike for each other.

imo Jones is waiting & hoping for a new govt, might give him a new lease on life, but afaic he seems like a poisonous old toad, well past his best

 

[Miss Hale]

You would have to think he is clear frontrunner for "misogynist of the year" with Kyle Sandilands being the only other who comes to mind.

Are you basing that on his recent remarks? I can't see how they can be construed as misogynist; uncalled for, rude, disgusting, insensitive, inapproriate, appalling yes, misogynistic no. Just because you insult a woman it doesn't mean it is misogynism, the things Jones said about Gillard could have ben said about a man as well.

 

[Joules MM1]

Are you basing that on his recent remarks? I can't see how they can be construed as misogynist; uncalled for, rude, disgusting, insensitive, inapproriate, appalling yes, misogynistic no. Just because you insult a woman it doesn't mean it is misogynism, the things Jones said about Gillard could have ben said about a man as well.

i usually dont involve myself in these threads, other than the easy jibe.....for the Jones's boy, well, if he's working at just being a bombastic-technically-speaking-pillock i'd say he's doing a good job......

to wit; not misogynistic? really?

http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/series/3421582

 

[awg]

Are you basing that on his recent remarks? I can't see how they can be construed as misogynist; uncalled for, rude, disgusting, insensitive, inapproriate, appalling yes, misogynistic no. Just because you insult a woman it doesn't mean it is misogynism, the things Jones said about Gillard could have ben said about a man as well.

agreed that his remark in itself was not neccesarily misogynist.

Probably true that many, including our Attorney-General are whipping things up a bit.

However, working against Jones in this respect is two things, its fairly clear from his past words and actions he is not a lover of women, and although this does not make him a misogynist, and nothwithstanding he has a job to do on radio, and takes a public political stand, he has made a number of most insulting remarks to Julia Gillard.

Now call me old-fashioned, but if a man makes repeated insults to a woman, in my personal experience, and without evidence to the contrary, I have found them to be misogynists...and there is plenty about, just as there is a percentage of women that express bitter feelings toward men

I also note he mentioned his old dad a fair bit..I know nothing of Jones upbringing, but one thing I do know, that is an examination of a mans relationship with their mother will reveal a lot on these sort of issues, havent heard him mention his mother

 

[McLovin]

i usually dont involve myself in these threads, other than the easy jibe.....for the Jones's boy, well, if he's working at just being a bombastic-technically-speaking-pillock i'd say he's doing a good job......

to wit; not misogynistic? really?

http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/series/3421582

Oh he's a misogynistic, there's no doubt about that. He's a funny guy when you think about it, he has spent his entire life going into bat for people who probably despise him as a closet homosexual. I'm sure the average AJ listener doesn't think much of gays.

 

[dutchie]

Now call me old-fashioned, but if a man makes repeated insults to a woman, in my personal experience, and without evidence to the contrary, I have found them to be misogynists...and there is plenty about, just as there is a percentage of women that express bitter feelings toward men.

+1


(Plibersek, Roxon, Wong, Burke being some of the women in the latter group)

 

[awg]

+1


(Plibersek, Roxon, Wong, Burke being some of the women in the latter group)

Actually, I would give Plibersek an honourable exception. imo, she fights somewhat fair, as below

It is an issue I have personally tangled with, how to argue with intelligent women, challenge their views and be bold enough to match wits, utilise colourful language on an equal opportunity basis, the whole box & dice.

Very tricky

The test is subjective, in the mind of the individuals concerned, whether insult is given or taken.

In the also subjective test of Community standards, his remark/behaviour is entirely unwholesome (IMO)

He will rate better though

 

[Calliope]

You would have to think he is clear frontrunner for "misogynist of the year" with Kyle Sandilands being the only other who comes to mind.

I would like to nominate Nicola Roxon as misandrist of the year, closely followed by Penny Wong.

It would seem to me that Jones/Gillard have a strong personal dislike for each other.

And who could blame them. They are competing for the low moral ground.

 

[Julia]

Actually, I would give Plibersek an honourable exception. imo, she fights somewhat fair, as below

I used to regard her similarly. But she seems recently to have tainted herself with the brush of her colleagues, viz in particular Nicola Roxon who has pretty much led the charge at least on ABC Radio over this tawdry matter.

It is an issue I have personally tangled with, how to argue with intelligent women, challenge their views and be bold enough to match wits, utilise colourful language on an equal opportunity basis, the whole box & dice.

Imo it's reading too much into it to need to attach labels to insults between parties competing for power (and in this instance for the moral lowground). Surely it was the tasteless reference to the PM's late father's 'shame' that provoked the outcry, and this would have likely been the same had the PM been male.

I would like to nominate Nicola Roxon as misandrist of the year, closely followed by Penny Wong.

And who could blame them. They are competing for the low moral ground.

+1. They have destroyed much of the hard won ground for women being shown respect. Their behaviour actually invites misogynistic reaction, such has been their hysteria.

 

[bellenuit]

Following the reaction from the Left and Labor supporters on Twitterdom regarding this story, it has all the similarities of the Muslim reaction to the film "Innocence of Muslims".

Reacting way over the top for such a non-event. Calls for censorship of the media outlet. Heaping blame on to those who bear no responsibility for Jones' remarks.

 

[MrBurns]

The media love things like the Jones error.

They play it up for far more then it's worth and bore everyone to death with it.

What's important doesn't matter the whole media circus is run on the lowest common denominator.

We deserve better.

 

[Julia]

We deserve better.

We certainly do. The politicians concerned will find this out, I hope, when it comes to the election.

Following the reaction from the Left and Labor supporters on Twitterdom regarding this story, it has all the similarities of the Muslim reaction to the film "Innocence of Muslims".

Reacting way over the top for such a non-event. Calls for censorship of the media outlet. Heaping blame on to those who bear no responsibility for Jones' remarks.

Agree. I've been pondering the general trend toward mass public hysteria recently.
In more sensible times, the Jones remark would have been briefly reported and the listening audience would have collectively said to themselves "oh, fergawdsake, Jones, have some decency" and thought no more about it.

A young woman is violently killed in inner city Melbourne, a tragedy for her and those who loved her. But instead of allowing those people to grieve in privacy, we have mass marches and more hysteria with weeping in the streets by people who never knew her.

Some idjit in America makes a dumb Utube video and the Islamic world goes mad (or more mad, perhaps).

Then there will be some respite until the next time some precious snowflake chooses to take offence at some comment and off we go again.

What is generating all this? Have people got so little to think about in their own lives? Are they so victims of the culture provoked by social media where we all seem to have to be involved in everyone elses's lives, that any realistic sense of proportion is discarded?

Worst of all, it seems to be driving politicians, already at an all time low in their amorality, to grope ever further down in their competition for the most ghastly.

I just can't remember a time when - despite our affluent country - our collective behaviour has been so woeful.

 

[wayneL]

Agree. I've been pondering the general trend toward mass public hysteria recently.
In more sensible times, the Jones remark would have been briefly reported and the listening audience would have collectively said to themselves "oh, fergawdsake, Jones, have some decency" and thought no more about it.

Exactly Julia.

But in those days there was no "sorry industry", searching for any hint of offense.

 

[Miss Hale]

I heard tonight that despite Alan Jones wanting to apologise personally to the PM she will not talk to him. So despite various Labor pollies going to town about Jones' comments the PM is not prepared to accept an apology. What sort of example does this set for a society in general?

 

[basilio]

I heard tonight that despite Alan Jones wanting to apologise personally to the PM she will not talk to him. So despite various Labor pollies going to town about Jones' comments the PM is not prepared to accept an apology. What sort of example does this set for a society in general?

When you hear Alan Jones "apology" at his Press conferance one recognises how totally non apologetic he is.

Every observer saw his statements as hollow and just an excuse to continue his rubbishing of the PM.

It's worth remembering that even when he "apologised" for his comments on putting the PM in a chaff bag and dumping her at sea he still repeated the "joke" at will.

Alan Jones has never been sorry for what he has said. You would be mad to accept such a non apology.

 

[sptrawler]

The media love things like the Jones error.

They play it up for far more then it's worth and bore everyone to death with it.

What's important doesn't matter the whole media circus is run on the lowest common denominator.

We deserve better.

I think you have hit it on the head MrBurns, too many reporters $hitting themselves about losing there jobs.
Too many t.v stations and too many newspapers vying for a`limited amount of 'news'. so therefore it encourages making your own news.
Who gives a $hit if it's newsworthy, as long as it fills the dedicated time slot.

Also, who gives a crap what some guy called Allan Jones says, who the hell is he, does he matter?
Over here in W.A you don't even hear him or of him. So how the hell can what he say's matter? Do we all need to get a life.
Lucky you people over east outnumber us, otherwise I think election outcomes would be much different.

 

[Calliope]

Alan Jones has never been sorry for what he has said. You would be mad to accept such a non apology.

Gillard has never apologized to the the Australian people for her pre-election lies. Her behavior is more contemptible and harmful than Jones's insult. Gillard has insulted all Australians.

 

[Crows]

I heard tonight that despite Alan Jones wanting to apologise personally to the PM she will not talk to him. So despite various Labor pollies going to town about Jones' comments the PM is not prepared to accept an apology. What sort of example does this set for a society in general?

To be honest, when it comes to things like what Jones said about the PM's father, you can't really apologise. Once it is said, it is said, it can not be taken back and that's the bottom line. Some things are a slip of the tongue or small enough to be a mistake and an apology is perfectly acceptable. But what he said wasn't that, it was a personal attack and he knew what he was saying. It was only when he got caught out that he decided to cover his behind and apologise and try to make it sound better by saying he wanted to apologise to her in person.

When you know he is only apologising to cover his behind, you should be able to reject his apology and leave it at that. I certainly wouldn't waste my time listening to a fool flap his lips in front of me when I know what he is saying is a just a cover up. You might disagree with me, but that's the way I see it..

 

[sptrawler]

At least Gillard is showing a bit of sense(at last) and not saying much about it. Shame she couldn't have done the same with a 4 corners segment.
Why the hell would a priminister respond to some nobody with a microphone. The thing I can't get over is why a piece of meat with a microphone gets so much response.
Like if it was the guy next door shouted it over the fence, you would laugh give him a wave and think what a dick.
We have lost the plot, when believe what Jones or Bolt thinks really matters.