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Wayne,
these laws only became necessary because these bastards behave as they do,what would you rather,or are you waiting for another Bali,or London or God forbid New York.Then its going to be too late,better prevent than try and fix later.People who are afraid of how these laws affect them have something to hide.Have you something to hide Wayne?
 

A ridiculous arguement. I am in more danger statistically from the local hoodlums than terrorists. Thats just an emotive arguement generated by the continuous fearmongering in the media, to justify the legislation.

I am afraid of the laws because they a/ do not define what a terrorist is. It's whoever they deem to be a terrorist. A mary river dam protester could be deemed to be a terrorist b/ they suspend all civil rights, access to representation, even access to the courts. They can simply detain you indefinately.

Please get all the facts before using arguments such as "what do you have to be afraid of"

By the way, it's not just kooky conspiricy theorists who doubt the 911 story.

Check out this list of scientists who have joined the naysayers:

The Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven

Enough from me on this.

Cheers
 
Wayne,
so far I havent seen any evidence that protesters have been treated as terorists,however people have been arrested in the act of preparing for a terorrist act.Thats what the law is designed for and thats what they are using it for.
As for the experts regarding 9 11 ,this is the beauty of a free society you can make money writing and talking about whatever you want,by the same token the real experts can then make those experts look like the dickheads that they are and the rest of us can make up our own minds as we please.

For example you accuse me of having a ridiculous argument by that token I can then dismiss what you say because in effect you are doing what you claim you dont like,see thats the freedom that we enjoy in our society.

As for hoodlums being more dangerous than terorrists,I`ve had my wallet stolen,it didnt kill me,or change my way of life, major difference.
 

Hey Visual can you imagine the look on their faces when they find out that the 72 virgins was a stuff up .
Its one virgin whos 72

Bob.
 
Wayne,

Living where you do I can understand that you don't feel as threatened by terrorists as those who live in the city.

In parts of Sydney the racial hatred on the faces of some "Eastern European" young males, for people who are not of eastern european appearance is quite frightening.

They do like to drive around in western cars, playing western music at mega decibels and wearing western clothes BUT they absolutely HATE any other race.

Their treatment of any female who is not dressed according to their beliefs is disgusting.

People go about their daily lives living in fear any time they see a group of these guys nearby. It is this situation that needed the new laws so that the powers that be can actually keep them in line.

I know that it is a small minority of the people but that small minority probably numbers a couple of thousand people. When they are out and about, as young people tend to be, they really do strike fear into the hearts of most women near them.

It is sad that we needed to have these laws BUT they are a REACTION to what has already happened in society, not some secret scheme.

Sad but true
 
Macca,
unfortunately people like Wayne are too busy reading stuff about 9 11 conspiracy,and are not interested to look around and see where the real threat comes from.
But I`d bet my bottom dollar that if terrorism ever affected him personally he`d be the first to blame the government for not having done enough to prevent it in the first place,what with all the laws that we have in place now.

It amazes me how people like him can live in a free society but havent the guts to go and behave like that where it counts like Iraq,or Afganistan ,yep way too dangerous and anyway probably would be killed because hes white and too outspoken,has anyone heard from the christians who were kidnapped months ago,or what about that woman who with all good intentions tried to help the women under this monstrous way of life but was killed anyway her body never found.yep Wayne,these laws are discriminatory against these morons who would in every likely hood would behave in a similar way here.
 

A most unreasonable and ad hominen post visual, and completely missing the point.
 

Wayne,re read through your post and tell me how I should`ve interpreted your post,you used words like ridiculous,as not having the facts or understanding the facts ect..if you are offended I apologise however this was not my aim.George Bush can be as moronic as the next person however he did not nor did John Howard go out of his way to bomb these people,they did that.So no regrets on my contempt for them.

P.S
and what the hell is AD HOMINEM
 
Yep,just looked it up,
thats what you tried to do,isnt it?
play the man not the ball,its what it means in a nutshell.Which then validates my point.
 

It means you are playing the man not the ball.

When I said yours was a ridiculous argument, it was the argument I was critisizing, rather than you personally.

You have called into question my very character by doubting my intestinal resolve to fight for what I believe in. (which does not include the military takeover of the middle east BTW)

I have zero admiration for islamic fundamentalists and the world should be defended from them, of course.

But the real issue I'm concerned with is our own civil liberties which are rapidly being repealed. 9/11and other "terrorist" attacks are topical in this regard, as it is being used as the primary emotive tool to justify this... and there is a very large and credible body of folk (ex military and scientific community, not CT kooks) who doubt the government version of events.

My government has never proved trustworthy in the past and I have no reason to trust them over this, hence the reason I will examine views to the contrary

My hope is that people do their own research and look at both sides rationally, rather than believing what is comfortable for them to believe.

Good day madam
 

So your argument is that we will soon be living like this,see above,
and the reason is ?

There you go!

Freedom is well and good but it`s got to be defended and protected,even if what you think happens good will always prevail,yes sometimes it can be a long and bloody fight,but freedom is what humans were designed for,any other way and we end up like the people we are now fighting to free.Who in all likelyhood want to be free,don`t forget before saddam wrecked the place Iraq was known as the most livable country in that part of the world.
Have a good day,sir
 

Visual,

Your arguments lack clarity and balance. There is a quotable quote regarding situations such as this, which, for fear of likewise resorting to the ad hominem level, I will refrain from posting.

I could introduce, more of my argument here. But I don't think ASF is necessarily the place for it. Happy to take it private, or a more appropriate forum.

Cheers
 
Wayne,
so that this doesn`t end up into another Bullmarket fiasco or is that Ad hominen

I`m going to say good on the Americans et al,next osama ben laden, after that some peace.

Althought once again you resort to personal insults,yes I know you have to read between the lines.You obviously have different opinions to myself on another forum or in private you will never convince me that what i believe in is wrong,these arguments need to be had in the light of day not in the dark thats what you fear our government is doing yet you insist on doing the same.

Have agood day,this time without the American sugar coat.
 


Hi folks,

So much for the skeptix who tipped the bucket on
us, after that post.

On 12th March 2006, we forecast last week's slide in
XJO from our astroanalysis and a critical time cycle
from the Bali bombing in October 2002 .....

..... and what happened this week ???

We get news of 17 terrorists arrested in Canada and
Al-zaqhawi killed in Iraq ..... two prominent terrorist-
related events, that supports our theory of some
regular time cycles in terrorist activity.

-----

So, what's ahead .... stay tuned, because we figure there
will be some huge world events this month, not necessarily
terrorists, between 14062006 and 30062006 ..... in particular,
be watching on latitude 19 degrees North, (GOM???),
around 24 June 2006 ... and there's lots more as well ...

...... POO down on 15-16062006 ???

More later .....

have a great weekend

yogi

 
The infestation of islamists needs to be stopped urgently.

If I go to a temple in another country and preach hatred I get dealt with. But in countries such as Australia, Britain etc, it is ok, weird heh?

I`m with Wayne when the governments of the US etc, are not to trustworthy, but we need to stop what is becoming a worldwide conspiracy against anything un islamic. I`m with you Visual when it comes to depriving the evil their unwarranted, falsely claimed rights - back home they have none.

Passify until it is too late, no way.
 

visual said:
Have you something to hide Wayne?
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visual said:
It amazes me how people like him can live in a free society but havent the guts to go and behave like that where it counts like Iraq,or Afganistan ,
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The words Pot, Kettle and Black come to mind. Your insults to me are utterly contemptable, and I remind you this acrimony was initiated by you by insinuating I have something to hide. Unfortunately typical of your ilk.

Unlike Snake who is able to separate the issues of fundamentalist Islamic terrorism and the suspect agenda of The US and tag-along western regimes, you refuse to consider the introduction of credible data, so that you may continue believing what is comfortable for you to believe.

I like to deal in two sided debates where one may state their view along with supporting data, and the otherside can do likewise, without degenerating into emotive prejudice and blinkered views.

I will readily accept the islamist threat, but in balance I must examine the agenda of our own side. I have researched this to the best of my ability.

I ask you, have you done the same? If so perhaps you could provide some data to support your view that such legislation is in our best interests.

visual said:
so far I havent seen any evidence that protesters have been treated as terorists,
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BTW, did you know that is actually illegal for the press to report detentions under the current legislation? If protesters did get arrested (and I'm not saying they have) you would not be allowed to know about it. Now that is very Orwellian, wouldn't you agree?
 
Snake Pliskin said:
The infestation of islamists needs to be stopped urgently.

If I go to a temple in another country and preach hatred I get dealt with. But in countries such as Australia, Britain etc, it is ok, weird heh?

Passify until it is too late, no way.
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Not withstanding my comments above. I agree with you Snake. It's time to reclaim and be proud of our culture.
 
Wayne,
honestly now I know what <deleted> was saying about you ,if you are going to quote me,do it by showing why I was saying what I was saying,you know show yours and mine.

This seems abit one sided.But if it makes you feel better ,good.I`m happy.

Althought seeing that the law has been used effectively and we know about it because we read about it,it seems that yourfears are unfounded.Then again like I said maybe you have something to fear unlike myself.
Now Wayne I`m going to ignore you because your theories are absurd ,yes thatsa personal opinion,unlike you I dont hide behind words that I hope other people wont understand.
Have a good day,sir,will you have chips with that.
 
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