Airline terror threat

[wayneL]

As I was too young to really comprehend it I'm asking for thoughts on the Lockerbie bombing. Why did this incident not cause the same concern as now? Why not the IRA? What not the multitude of Hijackings in the 70's and 80's? Get a grip, people! Nothing's changed. Current scenarios have just been fed into a propoganda machine.
Hell I was in Sudan this time last year. People mentioned I wouldn't last 10 minutes on the ground. Sudanese are evil, apparently. DReam on..


cheers,

Exactly Sanguar,

The propaganda machine is hyping the fear to implement dirty little draconian Orwellian control mechanisms such as the "meta-database" and various anti-constitutional "terrorism" legislations.

A frightened population will fall hook, line & sinker for this garbage, without question.

 

[tech/a]

A frightened population will fall hook, line & sinker for this garbage, without question.

Yeh well go sit your butt on an aircraft for 19 hrs and take a look at the flight path when your in the middle of the ocean and 2000 miles from the nearest landing area,after being basically body searched and the Home Secretary for GB has stated "We cant screen for every type of explosive that could be used to take down a plane" and

Enjoy your flight.

Hand luggage Prospector on international flights is limited to about the size of a laptop case and NO fluids not even cosmetics,gels toothpaste.
All well and good but that wont stop some loonie throwing it in with the stowed luggage.(One of those charged was caught in his Heathrow Airport baggage handling uniform!!!)
9/11 did happen and I wonder if and more than likely WHEN planes do start dropping from the sky,what the tune of those who bag the stringency will be saying then!!

What!!!!---- those security measures taken that have averted more 9/11s and this latest killing of the general public (4 in the UK alone 1 in Australia I know of) ---should never have been put in place---it was/is all an over reaction.

Give me a break

Go book a flight to the UK on B/A or better still UNITED---tuff words from someone not in the line of fire!!!

 

[the_godfather4]

I strongly recommend to all posters on this thread to watch the movie "V for Vendetta".........it may seem like a silly superhero movie but certainly gives us some food for thought :headshake

 

[Stan 101]

Yeh well go sit your butt on an aircraft for 19 hrs and take a look at the flight path when your in the middle of the ocean and 2000 miles from the nearest landing area,after being basically body searched and the Home Secretary for GB has stated "We cant screen for every type of explosive that could be used to take down a plane" and

Enjoy your flight.

Hand luggage Prospector on international flights is limited to about the size of a laptop case and NO fluids not even cosmetics,gels toothpaste.
All well and good but that wont stop some loonie throwing it in with the stowed luggage.(One of those charged was caught in his Heathrow Airport baggage handling uniform!!!)
9/11 did happen and I wonder if and more than likely WHEN planes do start dropping from the sky,what the tune of those who bag the stringency will be saying then!!

What!!!!---- those security measures taken that have averted more 9/11s and this latest killing of the general public (4 in the UK alone 1 in Australia I know of) ---should never have been put in place---it was/is all an over reaction.

Give me a break

Go book a flight to the UK on B/A or better still UNITED---tuff words from someone not in the line of fire!!!

Nothing different to the clown who tried to take me off my motorbike on the weekend. Mcmuffin in one hand, fag in the other on the wheel.

I travel enough to keep a minimum gold with qantas. It's life, get on with it or don't travel. And yes I was in Sharm when the convention centre was blown up. Less than 600 metres away. I was In Asia when the Tsunami hit. Was there for the second scare last year. Was in the Bombay floods. Even missed a flight of the grand canyon in the late 80's that crashed.
Yep, if you want to be safe, hide inside in a bomb shelter and don't have a phone line. I had a neibour electricuted by one during an electrical storm, once. She doesn't live anymore...

 

[tech/a]

Nothing different to the clown who tried to take me off my motorbike on the weekend. Mcmuffin in one hand, fag in the other on the wheel.

I travel enough to keep a minimum gold with qantas. It's life, get on with it or don't travel. And yes I was in Sharm when the convention centre was blown up. Less than 600 metres away. I was In Asia when the Tsunami hit. Was there for the second scare last year. Was in the Bombay floods. Even missed a flight of the grand canyon in the late 80's that crashed.
Yep, if you want to be safe, hide inside in a bomb shelter and don't have a phone line. I had a neibour electricuted by one during an electrical storm, once. She doesn't live anymore...

Just one question.
You believe that all the security and intellegence and powers given to those who are placed in the position of protecting the general public are simple not required,superfluous,an over reaction and simple un necessary?????
Then if so just live a fatalistic attitude to life.

Perhaps a second one.
Got any kids? a Wife? Mother/Father/Sister/Brother.
Fatalisim is a selfish attitude (in my veiw).
No then fine have your attitude it affects no one.
Ask a long haul pilot what he thinks---I doubt he'd be so Blas'e.
Just be sure I know your not flying my next long haul.

We could be run over by a bus tommorow,but we dont all race out and jump in front of buses or allow them on the road without brakes or expect the guy next to us to have explosives strapped to his body.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Exactly Sanguar,

The propaganda machine is hyping the fear to implement dirty little draconian Orwellian control mechanisms such as the "meta-database" and various anti-constitutional "terrorism" legislations.

A frightened population will fall hook, line & sinker for this garbage, without question.

The key point here is draconian measures - Orwellian. So ponder this: without immigration would the measures be necessary? I will remind you of the legitimate threat - not the propaganda, but pure ideology.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

I strongly recommend to all posters on this thread to watch the movie "V for Vendetta".........it may seem like a silly superhero movie but certainly gives us some food for thought :headshake

Is it based on a novel?

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Nothing different to the clown who tried to take me off my motorbike on the weekend. Mcmuffin in one hand, fag in the other on the wheel.

I travel enough to keep a minimum gold with qantas. It's life, get on with it or don't travel. And yes I was in Sharm when the convention centre was blown up. Less than 600 metres away. I was In Asia when the Tsunami hit. Was there for the second scare last year. Was in the Bombay floods. Even missed a flight of the grand canyon in the late 80's that crashed.
Yep, if you want to be safe, hide inside in a bomb shelter and don't have a phone line. I had a neibour electricuted by one during an electrical storm, once. She doesn't live anymore...

Quite blase indeed!

The phone line mentioned will not strap bombs on itself and target you based on ideology; a profound difference wouldn`t you think?

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Just one question.
You believe that all the security and intellegence and powers given to those who are placed in the position of protecting the general public are simple not required,superfluous,an over reaction and simple un necessary?????
Then if so just live a fatalistic attitude to life.

Perhaps a second one.
Got any kids? a Wife? Mother/Father/Sister/Brother.
Fatalisim is a selfish attitude (in my veiw).
No then fine have your attitude it affects no one.
Ask a long haul pilot what he thinks---I doubt he'd be so Blas'e.
Just be sure I know your not flying my next long haul.

We could be run over by a bus tommorow,but we dont all race out and jump in front of buses or allow them on the road without brakes or expect the guy next to us to have explosives strapped to his body.

Tech,

I share your concerns.

 

[Stan 101]

Quite blase indeed!

The phone line mentioned will not strap bombs on itself and target you based on ideology; a profound difference wouldn`t you think?

Snake, clearly I disagree with your statement, hence my post.
The end result is the same. Death is death.

Why do these degenerates with exploding skin get clustered alone when we have:
1. Soccer violence. Surely these white, English (amongst others) folk placed fear and terror into the hearts of others, so much so their frenzy has caused the deaths of many.
2. The hoddle st massacre.
3. bad drivers
and on and on.

 

[Stan 101]

Just one question.
You believe that all the security and intellegence and powers given to those who are placed in the position of protecting the general public are simple not required,superfluous,an over reaction and simple un necessary?????
Then if so just live a fatalistic attitude to life.

Perhaps a second one.
Got any kids? a Wife? Mother/Father/Sister/Brother.
Fatalisim is a selfish attitude (in my veiw).
No then fine have your attitude it affects no one.
Ask a long haul pilot what he thinks---I doubt he'd be so Blas'e.
Just be sure I know your not flying my next long haul.

We could be run over by a bus tommorow,but we dont all race out and jump in front of buses or allow them on the road without brakes or expect the guy next to us to have explosives strapped to his body.

Your opinion is yours and I commend you for it. It doesn't change my stance that this is a beat up. Oh yes, the fear is real. But it has been for decades, not just not just since the States had their first taste with the home ground advantage.

 

[tech/a]

Fair enough.

I hope your right.
But somehow I think that if the arrests didnt occur this "Beat up" would have been just as real as 9/11.

Could you have imagined the worlds reaction---let alone the US!!

 

[the_godfather4]

Is it based on a novel?

Its actually based on a comic strip of all things, but dont let that put you off. Its not your typical 'Spiderman' or 'Fantastic Four' piece of cinematic s#@t.....would be interested in people's thoughts on it.......

 

[Happy]

From Reuters by ABC August 24, 2006
Dutch police arrest 12 on US plane bound for India

Dutch police arrested 12 passengers behaving suspiciously on a US Northwest Airlines plane bound for India that was forced to turn back to Amsterdam's Schiphol airport.
Police arrested 12 of the 149 passengers on flight 42 to Mumbai, which turned back to Amsterdam due to security concerns after the crew reported suspicious behaviour, officials say.
Two Dutch fighter jets accompanied the plane back to Schiphol.
"They will be interrogated in the coming hours by police investigators," a police spokesman said.
Asked whether a suspected terrorist plot could be ruled out, he said: "We don't want to get ahead of ourselves".
Dutch police can hold suspects for three days without charge, extended by another three days in special circumstances, news agency ANP says.
The authorities expect to provide more information on Thursday.
Dutch media cited eyewitnesses saying those arrested were not following airline security rules and were exchanging mobile phones that had made other passengers uneasy.
"They were not paying attention to what the flight attendants were saying," an unnamed female passenger said on NOS television.
Security has been increased at airports worldwide in the last two weeks after British police said they had foiled a plot by British Muslims to blow up planes in the mid-Atlantic using liquid explosives disguised as drinks.
But the return of the Northwest plane did not lead to heightened security, an airport spokeswoman says.
She says it also had not affected other flights at Schiphol, Europe's third largest cargo airport and fourth biggest passenger hub.
Dutch airport officials says the Northwest pilot decided to turn back his 273-seat DC10-30 when it was in German airspace.
A Northwest spokeswoman says the passengers who were allowed to go free were staying in local hotels, adding Northwest would try the flight to Mumbai again on Thursday.

From above report sentence -

"We don't want to get ahead of ourselves".

says it all.

Hope that not paying attention is not the only crime they committed.
Some people are self-centred or arrogant and they will not pay attention to anybody.
Airline will probably end up compensating for discrimination.

But probably better to overreact than be accused for not doing enough.
This is very thin line and hard to stay on it and not upset anybody.

 

[Happy]

From ABC , August 25, 2006
Netherlands apologises after 12 Indians held in air security scare

The Netherlands apologised to India over the detention of 12 Indians following a mid-air security scare involving a plane flying from Amsterdam to Mumbai, according to an Indian minister.
The Dutch ambassador Eric Niehe delivered the apology after being summoned by India's foreign ministry in New Delhi, junior foreign minister Anand Sharma told reporters in New Delhi.
"Their ambassador has apologised. Our ministry had summoned him," he said.
The Indian nationals were suspected of attempting an act of violence during the US Northwest Airlines flight bound for the Indian western city of Mumbai, but were cleared of suspicion on Thursday by the Dutch authorities and released.
The Dutch embassy in New Delhi could not be contacted for comment.
- AFP

The only questions now are will compensation follow and what it will do to vigilance of flight attendants and passengers of future flights.
Incidents like this and shot innocent man in England put a lot of doubts in people’s minds about their observations.

At times like this, Indian government could be little bit more understanding.

 

[Rafa]

The only questions now are will compensation follow and what it will do to vigilance of flight attendants and passengers of future flights.
Incidents like this and shot innocent man in England put a lot of doubts in people’s minds about their observations.

At times like this, Indian government could be little bit more understanding.

I guess its easy for you to say cause you weren't involed...
But your not advocating handing over all power to the authoriities are you???

You know what they say about absolute power...

There has to be checks and balances...

Otherwise we might as well say that all suspicious persons with backpacks should be shot!

 

[rub92me]

The only questions now are will compensation follow and what it will do to vigilance of flight attendants and passengers of future flights.

The 12 culprits will likely face a bill from the Airline for not following crew's instructions and causing them to divert the flight. I don't think they stand much chance of getting any compensation themselves.

 

[Happy]

Civil liberty, democratic rights, checks and balances all perfect, but since our blow up individuals don’t advertise, everybody else is left with tiny snippets of information that has to use to diffuse grave possibility.

We are also talking about people without former special training to pick up the irregularities and some like flight crew with limited training.
Many people are scared and want to live too.

Also could you explain the ferocity of your comment?

I guess its easy for you to say cause you weren't involed...
But your not advocating handing over all power to the authoriities are you???

 

[Rafa]

sorry, certainly didn't mean to come across that way...

just interested to know what your own reaction would be if your kid was shot for having a backpack and running for a train!

I take it you'll be quite understanding...




I think, we all need to be vigilante and security checks needs to continue, however, compensation does need to be paid for acts such as this to ensure that the policing authorities are kept in check.

 

[Happy]

Shot kid, different story, regrettable but in some circumstances unavoidable, like road accidents, many people killed are innocent.

As to 12 not attentive passengers, they were, as everybody else inconvenienced with delay and extra flight hours, that’s all.

With blow up jobs, there are no second chances and unfortunately this is very emotional stuff.