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Can't beleive this...
We all have to suffer this because of Deano's comments...!!!

haha (nice one Anon)

But... seriously...

This is war like any other war, just fought with non-conventional means...

We have two options... tolerance or lethal force...

Its not a question of whose right and whose wrong... who did what in the past or who didn't....

Its a question of whether we want to continue to live in our present way, i.e secular, capitalist based society, or not...

PS: this is not anti-muslim... However, its anti fundamentalism/anti-terrorist... there are many many moderate muslims suffering becuase of these nut jobs... its important we recognise this fact!
 
Prospector said:
Why does everyone conveniently forget that 200 years ago, British Dutch and French were the foreigners in Australia?
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India before the advent of Islamic imperialism was a country with plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. But in all their wars the Hindus had observed some time honored conventions sanctioned by the Shastras. The Brahmins and Bhikshus were never touched. The chastity of women was never violated. The cows were never killed. There was no ravage of the soil The temples were never touched. The non-combatants were never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless it was a fort. The civilian population was never plundered. The martial class (kshatriyas) who clashed, mostly in open fields, had a code of honor.

I googled muslim invaders and came up with this.it`s a history of India,
sounds familiar,doesn`t it,
also Australia wasn`t the only country to have foreigners on it`s soil,but muslims are the only ones it seems who behave like this throughout history,and on this day and age you would at least expect them to have become somewhat civilized, but no.
 
It is clear that India at the time when Muslim invaders turned towards it (8 to 11th century) was the earth's richest region for its wealth in precious and semi-precious stones, gold and silver, religion and culture, and its fine arts and letters. Tenth century Hindustan was also too far advanced than its contemporaries in the East and the West for its achievements in the realms of speculative philosophy and scientific theorising, mathematics and knowledge of nature's workings. Hindus of the early medieval period were unquestionably superior in more things than the Chinese, the Persians (including the Sassanians), the Romans and the Byzantines of the immediate proceeding centuries. The followers of Siva and Vishnu on this subcontinent had created for themselves a society more mentally evolved-joyous and prosperous too-than had been realised by the Jews, Christians, and Muslim monotheists of the time. Medieval India, until the Islamic invaders destroyed it, was history's most richly imaginative culture and one of the five most advanced civilisations of all times.


And this :from national Hindu students forum U.K
just a small sample.
 
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20060730/23356.htm

http://library.thinkquest.org/18110/pxstart.html

It would probably be good to just google it yourselves,sorry I know I`m getting carried away here.

But regardless of how many articles you read,it`s all so similar,muslims kill and maim,but what they leave behind is invariably despair as we are now witnessing in our time.They don`t seem to understand progress,maybe because the literal translation of islam is actually-submission,so submit or die.

One reason I suppose why history is such a powerful tool,except where were our politicians when history was being taught at school. :banghead:
 
visual said:
Medieval India, until the Islamic invaders destroyed it, was history's most richly imaginative culture and one of the five most advanced civilisations of all times.


And this :from national Hindu students forum U.K
just a small sample.
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I think this is a classic case of history being moulded to suit the purpose (in this case, Hindu extremism) and Visual... you have been sucked right it...


There is no way India was in such a way destroyed... there is no way the Portuguese and the British would have bothered to invade India in the 15-16th century AD if it was...

Infact the British/Portuguese were the only invaders who actually removed treasures from India to take back to Britain... (this is becaue they invaded in the name of a company... The East India Corporation... and the dividends had to flow back to shareholders in Britain...)

All previous invaders actually made their home in India and lived there and amalgamated with the locals... thats the big difference!!!

Infact... you go to India today, and the magnificent palaces, Taj Mahal, etc... were all built by the Muslims... Muslim rule (especially the Arab/Turk rule) in India is considered one of the glorious phases of Indian History.

There was the originial marauder from further north... Ghengish Khan and co.... who did a fair bit of plundering... but after destroying a few of the northern kingdoms, they were actually so impressed with the resolve and fight that they stopped the invasion and actually gave back most of the land.

Visual... don't get sucked in with everything you read... Please... :) or atleast read both sides of the story!
 
noirua said:
These are the guys that hold the original dinosauric rights to Australia, not forgetting the alligators in the Northern Territory: http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/dinosaurs.html
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Noirua,and thats the scary part,if you could go back to the dinosaurs and find islamic influence then,you wouldn`t be able to tell it apart from their behaviour today.
yes I know islam started in the 6oo yr.or there about ,still :D


http://www.bigpicweblog.com/exp/index.php/weblog/trackbacks/1849/
 
visual said:
Rafa,you missed the point,of the original bit that i posted.

http://www.bharatvani.org/books/siii/ch11.htm

Perhaps this will help,it`s a bit about assimilation,
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You missed the point I was trying to make too... this is history from a hindu extremist point of view..... (and don't think there aren't any.....)


The Hindu system is based on 4 castes…

The Brahmins are the Priestly class... their word is LAW…
Then they have Bhikshus.. the Govt/administrative class... implemented LAW
Then the warrior class…. who Actually did all the fighting…
Then the untouchables.... slaves class

All wars were fought under direction from the bhramin/bhikshus class… but used people in the warrior class.. hence no one else got hurt… The untouchables had pretty much to do whatever the others wanted and lead a life of utter misery and poverty…

You were born into these classes… there was no way out! Also women were treated very very badly… first born girls were killed, etc, etc… there was no freedom… your lot was decided at your birth!!!

Muslim 'invaders' broke down some of these heriditary structures.... There are Christian missionaries to this day being killed in India under order from Bhramin Hindus cause they are preaching freedom to the slave classes… and telling them that they don’t have to be slaves to these bhramins...

what you posted before ties in well with the bhramin's point of view of India... certainly everything was hunky dory for them.... unfortunately, I have to say, its quite wrong!

(most advanced civilisation... it certainly wasnt... unless you think having a class system and slaves is advanced?)
 
India before the advent of Islamic imperialism was a country with plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. But in all their wars the Hindus had observed some time honored conventions sanctioned by the Shastras. The Brahmins and Bhikshus were never touched. :eek: The chastity of women was never violated. :mad: The cows were never killed. There was no ravage of the soil The temples were never touched. :mad: The non-combatants were never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless it was a fort. The civilian population was never plundered. :mad: The martial class (kshatriyas) who clashed, mostly in open fields, had a code of honor.


This was meant to inspire you to read further,but you are so intent on proving me wrong that you are not paying attention.

I was trying to highlight their methods then and their methods today.Not much has changed has it?

P.S.also not too many hindus,going out of their way trying to impose their views outside of India,not that i`ve noticed.


Also,just google muslim invaders,and all the information you could possibly need is there,both sides,pick whatever article you want and see how it all becomes repetitious to the point of boredom,
islam is and always has been about submission,no thanks,



P.s.also not too many hindus,trying to impose their views on the rest of us,that i`ve noticed
 
visual said:
This was meant to inspire you to read further,but you are so intent on proving me wrong that you are not paying attention.

I was trying to highlight their methods then and their methods today.Not much has changed has it?
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Yes, i agree they are the noble ways of fighting wars... But it was your next post that got me distracted...

Medieval India, until the Islamic invaders destroyed it, was history's most richly imaginative culture and one of the five most advanced civilisations of all times.
And this :from national Hindu students forum U.K
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This is just plain wrong and clearly written from a Hindu extremist/nationalist point of view and contains a lot of generalisation!


So... lets move on shall we...

This war we are fighting today... is certainly not fought in noble ways...
I found an interesting article in the Australian today... saying Islam is the new Marxism...

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20876,20085783-7583,00.html

How do we tackle this...?
 
visual said:
I googled muslim invaders and came up with this.[etc. etc. ]
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I googled 'muslim invaders' too: 1,020,000 hits. Then I googled 'christian invaders': 1,920,000 hits. Dangerous loonies can be found anywhere in the religous spectrum. To quote Bertrand Russell (from memory, so may not be exact): 'The problem with the world is that the fanatics are always so sure, while the wiser people have their doubts.'
 
bunyip said:
have provided them with a far better life than they'd have if they lived in their Islamic countries of origin.
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Although that's from a western view of what "better" means, which may not match the views of other groups.

GP
 
Rub,look at post 28.
I agree ,but why this insistence on submission.

Also Christianity left us a world where we can all live togheter,muslims just want to impose, even on this day and age.
 
GreatPig said:
Although that's from a western view of what "better" means, which may not match the views of other groups.

GP
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Well if they don't think life is better in their adopted country then they're free to leave and go back to their country of origin.
Ditto for anyone who is born in a western country but doesn't like it.....let them go an live in Pakistan or Iraq or Afganistan and see if that suits them any better.

Bunyip
 
tech/a said:
The solution in the case of airline bomb threats is to change the way of aviation.
Passenger planes rigged for passengers ONLY.
Baggage planes follow forward with luguage.

This would eliminate most of the threat to passengers.
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Im sure the pilots would love that scenario! Would you be willing to pay the bill for additional fuel?
 
rub92me said:
'The problem with the world is that the fanatics are always so sure, while the wiser people have their doubts.'
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Hey, thats a good quote...
When dealing with fanatics... its important to react like fanatics...


As i said previously...
Its not a question of whose right and whose wrong... who did what in the past or who didn't....

Its a question of whether we want to continue to live in our present way, i.e secular, capitalist based society, or not...!!!
 
Rafa said:
Hey, thats a good quote...
When dealing with fanatics... its important to react like fanatics...

As i said previously...
Its not a question of whose right and whose wrong... who did what in the past or who didn't....

Its a question of whether we want to continue to live in our present way, i.e secular, capitalist based society, or not...!!!
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Sooner or later we will have to make a choice, of course until it is too late.
 
Prospector said:
Why does everyone conveniently forget that 200 years ago, British Dutch and French were the foreigners in Australia?
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I am sure we all remember what our ANCESTORS did. It is history and part of colonisation, not ideological war of hatred through deception.

The issue is particularly bad in Britain and seems will get worse in Aus.

Prospector these old lines are worn out and are good examples of the apologetic, and pathetic, way the west operates.
 
From ABC August 11, 2006.
Bank freezes accounts of arrested terrorism suspects


The Bank of England says it has frozen the accounts of 19 of the 24 people arrested in an alleged terror plot, and has publicly released their names.
"The Bank of England ... has today directed that any funds held for or on behalf of the (19) individuals ... must be frozen, and that no funds should be made available, directly or indirectly to any person, except under the authority of a licence," the bank said in a statement.
"Financial institutions and other persons are requested to check whether they maintain any accounts or otherwise hold any funds, other financial assets, economic benefits and economic resources for the individuals named in the Annex and if so, they should freeze the accounts or other funds and report their findings to the Bank of England."
Twenty-four people have been arrested in raids after Britain said it had thwarted a plot to wreak "mass murder" by simultaneous mid-air bombings of commercial airliners travelling to the United States.
Intelligence agents in Britain, the United States and Pakistan believe another five people suspected of participating in the plot are still at large.
The 19 men named by the Bank of England were Ahmed Abdula Ali, Cossor Ali, Khuram Shazad Ali, Nabeel Hussain, Tanvir Hussain, Umair Hussain, Umar Islam, Wassem Kayani, Abdullah Assan Khan, Arafat Waheed Khan, Adam Osman Khatib, Muneem Abdul Patel, Tayib Rauf, Usman Muhammed Saddique, Assad Sarwar, Ibrahim Savant, Asmin Amin Tariq, Mohammed Shamin Uddin, and Waheed Zaman.
- AFP
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They must really sure about allegations and appears that innocent until proven guilty doesn’t apply in some investigations.
 

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