Airline terror threat

[nizar]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20102217-5005961,00.html

Good old keisar trad,UN resolution not strong enough,palestinians and lebanese still being killed,no mention of Isreaeli being killed,maybe in his mind they are expendable,moron!regardless of his opinion of this issue,peace should be for everyone and seeing that Isreaelis are being bombarded by the civilians oh sorry undercover of civilians shields perhaps they should also deserve a mention on the same level of grief.

You're kidding right?

So far about 1,030 Lebanese dead (mostly civilians) and 123 Israeli's (mostly militiary), not to mention Syrians who have been killed

As for palestinians... media doesnt even follow this and i dont think they even keep a death count anymore... it would be several maybe 10s of thousands

The U.N. is a joke

 

[visual]

You're kidding right?

So far about 1,030 Lebanese dead (mostly civilians) and 123 Israeli's (mostly militiary), not to mention Syrians who have been killed

As for palestinians... media doesnt even follow this and i dont think they even keep a death count anymore... it would be several maybe 10s of thousands

The U.N. is a joke

Exactly,doesnt the numbers give you a clue,either hesbollah,is holding them there by force,they are staying by choice,no accounting for political views or they are simply stupid,Israel has given them plenty of time to evacuate and yet they stay,by the way palestinian propoganda doesnt cut any ice with me.No one in their right mind would stay to be bombed,regardless of our poor you are or ,you wil always find a way if you want to.

By the way if you go to the little green foot hills,i believe it`s called,there you will find plenty of evidence that what the media shows by way of photos is mainly set ups,to show what the terorrists want you to see.

 

[visual]

Something to correct.

Not, little green foot hills,but

little green footballs.


Also I chose one word badly-stupid-
when some people are not free to choose for themselves they should not be classed stupid,I apologise,sorry.

 

[visual]

You're kidding right?

So far about 1,030 Lebanese dead (mostly civilians) and 123 Israeli's (mostly militiary), not to mention Syrians who have been killed

As for palestinians... media doesnt even follow this and i dont think they even keep a death count anymore... it would be several maybe 10s of thousands

The U.N. is a joke

http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,20109896-5005961,00.html

Nizar,read this article and you will see exactly who the joke is,alright i`ll tell you,good old keisar trad,and good old hilali,wonder who will have the bigger claim of being misintrepeted on this article,keisar being a translator

 

[wayneL]

Interesting... just as i suspected

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/08/the_uk_terror_p.html

August 14, 2006
The UK Terror plot: what's really going on?

I have been reading very carefully through all the Sunday newspapers to try and analyse the truth from all the scores of pages claiming to detail the so-called bomb plot. Unlike the great herd of so-called security experts doing the media analysis, I have the advantage of having had the very highest security clearances myself, having done a huge amount of professional intelligence analysis, and having been inside the spin machine.

So this, I believe, is the true story.

None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time.

In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.

What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests.

Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn't give is the truth.

The gentleman being "interrogated" had fled the UK after being wanted for questioning over the murder of his uncle some years ago. That might be felt to cast some doubt on his reliability. It might also be felt that factors other than political ones might be at play within these relationships. Much is also being made of large transfers of money outside the formal economy. Not in fact too unusual in the British Muslim community, but if this activity is criminal, there are many possibilities that have nothing to do with terrorism.

We then have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing the possible arrests over the weekend. Why? I think the answer to that is plain. Both in desperate domestic political trouble, they longed for "Another 9/11". The intelligence from Pakistan, however dodgy, gave them a new 9/11 they could sell to the media. The media has bought, wholesale, all the rubbish they have been shovelled.

We then have the appalling political propaganda of John Reid, Home Secretary, making a speech warning us all of the dreadful evil threatening us and complaining that "Some people don't get" the need to abandon all our traditional liberties. He then went on, according to his own propaganda machine, to stay up all night and minutely direct the arrests. There could be no clearer evidence that our Police are now just a political tool. Like all the best nasty regimes, the knock on the door came in the middle of the night, at 2.30am. Those arrested included a mother with a six week old baby.

For those who don't know, it is worth introducing Reid. A hardened Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling Univeristy he was the Communist Party's "Enforcer", (in days when the Communist Party ran Stirling University Students' Union, which it should not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover). Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line.

We will now never know if any of those arrested would have gone on to make a bomb or buy a plane ticket. Most of them do not fit the "Loner" profile you would expect - a tiny percentage of suicide bombers have happy marriages and young children. As they were all under surveillance, and certainly would have been on airport watch lists, there could have been little danger in letting them proceed closer to maturity - that is certainly what we would have done with the IRA.

In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. Of the over one thousand British Muslims arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, only twelve per cent are ever charged with anything. That is simply harrassment of Muslims on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% are acquitted. Most of the very few - just over two per cent of arrests - who are convicted, are not convicted of anything to do terrorism, but of some minor offence the Police happened upon while trawling through the wreck of the lives they had shattered.

Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.

 

[the_godfather4]

Nice one Wayne! .....I had my doubts about the goings-on in the UK ......I did not want to air my views on the timing of the arrests but this article is not the only one circulating regarding the 'convenience' of the foiled plot.......it did well to distract our local media from the massacres occuring in Lebanon.......

The timing was almost too obvious and predictable but it certainly sucked in the masses

 

[nizar]

http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,20109896-5005961,00.html

Nizar,read this article and you will see exactly who the joke is,alright i`ll tell you,good old keisar trad,and good old hilali,wonder who will have the bigger claim of being misintrepeted on this article,keisar being a translator

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a quote from the above article:

"The (Australian) Government has in parrot fashion repeated the mantra of the US government and has not asked for a cease-fire like other fair-minded nations,'' the letter said.

Isnt this soo true?

I mean, who is running this country, John Howard or the USA??

It seems like we have to ASK THEIR PERMISSION about everything... i once saw a cartoon where John Howard asked Bush if he could go to the toilet... that got a laugh out of me... haha... wat a joke...

 

[nizar]

Nice article Wayne...

The timing was impeccable just enough to move wat was happening in Israel-Lebanon to Page 2....

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Visual

a quote from the above article:



Isnt this soo true?

I mean, who is running this country, John Howard or the USA??

It seems like we have to ASK THEIR PERMISSION about everything... i once saw a cartoon where John Howard asked Bush if he could go to the toilet... that got a laugh out of me... haha... wat a joke...

Well this is typical of uneducated conjecturing. If you really looked into what drives Australian policy you would be surprised.

 

[Prospector]

Is anyone else curious about the mixed messages we are getting with this latest threat?
On one hand the authorities are saying that there may be more plans, yet they have downgraded the alerts and allowing hand luggage again

 

[Happy]

In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. Of the over one thousand British Muslims arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, only twelve per cent are ever charged with anything. That is simply harrassment of Muslims on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% are acquitted. Most of the very few - just over two per cent of arrests - who are convicted, are not convicted of anything to do terrorism, but of some minor offence the Police happened upon while trawling through the wreck of the lives they had shattered.

Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.

On face value yes, but if you take into account that allegedly illegal activity could be well covered up and I suspect that it is part of the plot, we might be surprised.

But all this is under assumption that ‘they’ use this technique as part of conspiracy.

 

[wayneL]

Just for clarity, it was:

In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. Of the over one thousand British Muslims arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, only twelve per cent are ever charged with anything. That is simply harrassment of Muslims on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% are acquitted. Most of the very few - just over two per cent of arrests - who are convicted, are not convicted of anything to do terrorism, but of some minor offence the Police happened upon while trawling through the wreck of the lives they had shattered.

Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.

Cheers

 

[Happy]

I always ‘admire’ ex-whatever.

They don’t say anything, until they are X … sour grapes? Maybe blue with boss, maybe conscience caught up with suppressed conscience, maybe revenge time.

There is big chance of credible lack of credibility, there is chance that vale of secrecy doesn’t apply any more, but so many possibilities, one has to take grain of salt as antidote.

 

[wayneL]

OK Happy,

We'll just believe everything the government and newscorp tells us to believe then.

That's the intellectually easy way.

There will never... never ever... not ever will there be a GST.

OK! Great! we don't have GST!

Cheers

 

[macca]

Gees Wayne your getting a bit one sided in this political stuff

Anybody can have a rethink as circumstances change, yes JH did say no GST...... BUT he DID announce BEFORE the election that if he was elected then he would bring in a GST, when he was elected he was then expected to bring it in, if he didn't people would be going crook because he said he would.

No way I would ever be a pollie, damned if you do and damned if you don't

 

[Happy]

There will never... never ever... not ever will there be a GST.
OK! Great! we don't have GST!

True, we don’t have GST on quite few items.

But to tell the truth, I’d much prefer 30% GST and no personal tax as then big part of black market would be taxed at the bowser, checkout, amusement park, tram, train, bus and ferry.

 

[wayneL]

True, we don’t have GST on quite few items.

But to tell the truth, I’d much prefer 30% GST and no personal tax as then big part of black market would be taxed at the bowser, checkout, amusement park, tram, train, bus and ferry.

Agree

 

[Happy]

On face value yes, but if you take into account that allegedly illegal activity could be well covered up and I suspect that it is part of the plot, we might be surprised.

But all this is under assumption that ‘they’ use this technique as part of conspiracy.

Suspicions supporting material from ABC -

From ABC, August 17, 2006
Court hears found letter 'referred to martyrdom'

A police informant has told a committal hearing in Melbourne that a letter found at the home of the accused contained coded references to martyrdom.
But the defence claimed the letter could be viewed as nothing more than a love letter between a man and his wife.
Fadal Sayadi, 26, is one of 13 men who have been charged with various terrorism offences.
Today police informant Constable David Pagliari was asked about a letter found during a search of Sayadi's home.
He told the court the letter contained coded references to violent jihad and martyrdom.
The letter reads: "My love, How I miss you already? What would I ever do if we were separated for more than a day? Inshallah I will never find out. May the only cause for our separation be the cause of Allah. And may he grant me paradise alongside you as queen of your Hoor."
Police believe 'Hoor' to be a reference to 'hoori', which in the Koran meaning, implies the virgins who marry the devout in paradise or the afterlife.
That is how Constable Pagliari viewed it when he analysed the letter in his role with Operation Pendennis.
He told the court the reference to "paradise alongside you as queen of your Hoor", is being the queen of the the 72 virgins a martyr would receive in martyrdom.
Prosecutor Nick Robinson asked the witness to explain the reference to Allah's cause in the letter and Constable Pagliari replied, violent jihad.
Earlier the defence barrister for Sayadi, Nola Karapanogiotidis asked the witness, "Do you agree it appears to be a love letter?"
Constable Pagliari replied, "Well it says I love you at the end."
He said the letter was forensically tested for DNA and police found a partial print of a female.
Constable Pagliari analysed over 230 telephone intercepts and material collected from listening devices placed at Sayadi's home, from September 2004.
He said he could readily identify Sayadi's voice whether he was speaking English or Arabic.
During a search of Sayadi's home, police found camouflage clothing, documents and cut-outs of various bombs and nuclear devices, along with a CD entitled, "The Legitimacy of Martyrdom Operations" and a video called "And Incite The Believers."
A rifle was also found, it was wrapped in a towel, and rolled inside a carpet.
Sayadi has been charged with four terrorism offences, including membership of a terrorist organisation.
The committal hearing continues.

Different case, but little picture of alleged ‘conpiracy’, or nothing more than love letter to wife.

 

[wayneL]

I am hearing stories that a poll was taken in the UK that show That 80% of people do not believe the recent terrorism plot was fair dinkum. I am waiting for a link to confirm this.

Meanwhile, check this article about liquid explosives feasibility.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/

 

[Stan 101]

As I was too young to really comprehend it I'm asking for thoughts on the Lockerbie bombing. Why did this incident not cause the same concern as now? Why not the IRA? What not the multitude of Hijackings in the 70's and 80's? Get a grip, people! Nothing's changed. Current scenarios have just been fed into a propoganda machine.

cheers,