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Solly said:
My questions are;

Is the ABC negligent in it's reporting of the alleged asylum seeker on water incident ?

Does this now warrant that the claims need to be tested ?

The view from the government so far has stated that the claims are "unsubstantiated", I have not seen an official denial. Is an official denial in order or is silence appropriate ?

Does is any corrective action required to be taken against the ABC ?
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A spokesman for Bill Shorten had this to say today,

"Our navy servicemen and women do an outstanding job on the high seas," a spokesperson for Mr Shorten said in a statement to AAP.

"The opposition has every confidence in the skills and professionalism of our navy."
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...use-claims-labor/story-fn3dxiwe-1226821258649

My bolds.
 
Quite a good article from Geoffrey Luck which summarises how ordinary Australians "Not Of The Left" are treated when complaining about the ABC.

How The ABC Gets Away With It

Complain all you like about the broadcaster's transgressions against fact and impartiality, but it is unlikely to do a scrap of good. While Managing Director Mark Scott embraces semantics, the review process wraps complaints in lawyerly language, obfuscation and interminable delays
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Over three decades the ABC’s complaints system has been successfully entrenched as a policeman investigating the police. The government’s proposed inquiry into the efficiency of the ABC’s operations is an opportunity to cut through the bureaucratic obfuscation that frustrates honest review of complaints. It should recommend what the Hawke government was too timid to do in 1984 – a completely external independent body to receive and handle all complaints about ABC programs.
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http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2014/02/abc-gets-away/

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Garpal Gumnut said:
Quite a good article from Geoffrey Luck which summarises how ordinary Australians "Not Of The Left" are treated when complaining about the ABC.
http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2014/02/abc-gets-away/
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...It should recommend what the Hawke government was too timid to do in 1984 – a completely external independent body to receive and handle all complaints about ABC programs...
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Great idea. Self-regulation hasn't worked, for the reasons outlined.
 
Has anyone lodged a complaint to ACMA regarding the matter of an unsatisfactory response from the ABC in regard to an alleged breach of the Act ?

I am eager to scrutinise the ACMA response, if the complainant is willing to share.
 
Solly said:
Has anyone lodged a complaint to ACMA regarding the matter of an unsatisfactory response from the ABC in regard to an alleged breach of the Act ?

I am eager to scrutinise the ACMA response, if the complainant is willing to share.
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This is why I would advise any ASF members to decline Solly's kind invitation.

It leads to more delays and obfuscation from the ABC.

It is a bureaucrat's picnic.

From Gerard Henderson at Media Watch Dog

STOP PRESS GRAPHIC

MIKE SMITH DUMPS ON THE ABC

Terrific performance by former Age editor and Inside Public Relations director Mike Smith on ABC 1’s News Breakfast this morning in the Newspapers segment. Let’s go to the transcript:

Virginia Trioli: Before we get to your papers that you want to look at today, we’ve got to make mention of this item that popped up in “Strewth!” in The Australian newspaper – which is their gossip column – about a broadside that you fired off to 7.30 Report, after a story about the Gunns Pulp Mill. You have made a complaint about an assertion that was made in relation to the administrators, KordaMentha. And, if this report is to be believed, you wrote a very, very strongly worded, angry, ticked-off email. I’ve never seen language like this from you.

Mike Smith: Well that was after I’d cooled down.

Virginia Trioli: What was that about? You taking issue with the 7.30 Report?

Mike Smith: Eh, yeah –

Virginia Trioli: You got a problem, mate – you take it to the official complaints channel.

Mike Smith: I got a problem – that’s where I’ve been bounced to, the official complaints channel -

Virginia Trioli: Good, that’s how it works.

Mike Smith: - Into the dead water of the ABC complaints department

Virginia Trioli: Don’t go saying that.

Mike Smith: The ABC began a report the other night saying, “We can now reveal that the Tasmanian Government gave the Gunns’ receivers, KordaMentha, a copy of – a draft copy of – legislation before it was made public.”

Virginia Trioli: And you say that’s untrue?

Mike Smith: That’s dead wrong -

Virginia Trioli: Alright.

Mike Smith: - That’s not right, that’s untrue, it’s a straight factual matter –

Virginia Trioli: Well look, I’ll leave it to [ABC] audience research to deal with the errors there -

Mike Smith: And they [7.30] were told it was untrue before they put that story to air.

Virginia Trioli: Ok, all I wanted to raise here was just the fabulous phrases that you wrote in your email – such as, “dead wrong”, “unprofessional”, “irresponsible”, “breathtaking incompetence”. Mike you ever send me an email like that and there’ll be words between us, I tell you. [Laughs]

So now Mike Smith knows what it’s like complaining to the ABC. When Mr Smith was editor of The Age, an error in Monday’s paper could be corrected on Tuesday at the direction of the editor-in-chief.

However, the ABC’s editor-in-chief Mark Scott declines to act in this role. So the ABC flicks complaints to its Audience and Consumer Affairs bureaucracy in Canberra where most complaints take at least six weeks to assess and where around 95 per cent of complaints are dismissed.

At least Mike Smith now seems to understand what it is like to deal with the ABC. The only proper way to correct an error on 7.30 last Monday is to issue a correction on Tuesday. However, the ABC likes to “bounce” (Mike Smith’s term) its complaints into its bureaucracy. In the unlikely situation that an error is conceded, it is far too late for there to be an effective correction.

MWD never complains to ABC’s Audience and Consumer Affairs’ bureaucrats. Life’s too short. Instead MWD believes that Nice Mr Scott should do what he is paid to do – and, where necessary, act as the ABC’s editor-in-chief. But don’t hold your breath.
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This is a fine example of promoting one side of the argument over the other,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-...akarta-summoned-by-indonesian-governm/5261466

Nowhere in that article does it mention that in the 8-weeks since boats have been turned back that none have successfully made it and only 2 IMA's from boats have been accepted, both on medical grounds.

The best that was said about the success of OSB in that article was the following old news,

In January, the Government said the number of asylum seekers arriving by boat in Australia had fallen by 80 per cent since Operation Sovereign Borders was introduced four months ago.
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The ABC should be presenting the latest information in its news reports. They were at one stage running their own count under the OSB policy. That hasn't been updated since Jan 28.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-25/log-of-boat-arrivals-and-other-asylum-seeker-incidents/5014496
 
drsmith said:
This is a fine example of promoting one side of the argument over the other,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-...akarta-summoned-by-indonesian-governm/5261466

Nowhere in that article does it mention that in the 8-weeks since boats have been turned back that none have successfully made it and only 2 IMA's from boats have been accepted, both on medical grounds.

The best that was said about the success of OSB in that article was the following old news,



The ABC should be presenting the latest information in its news reports. They were at one stage running their own count under the OSB policy. That hasn't been updated since Jan 28.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-25/log-of-boat-arrivals-and-other-asylum-seeker-incidents/5014496
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So Indonesia is going to bring the issue up with a the U.S a country that has a barbed wire fence along it's border.
Best of luck with that
 
sptrawler said:
So Indonesia is going to bring the issue up with a the U.S a country that has a barbed wire fence along it's border.
Best of luck with that
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It's just bluster for domestic political purposes.

If no boats are leaving Indonesia, they won't be sent back.
 
rumpole said:
I haven't read this entire thread , have just come back from holidays and I'm pretty sure I know what the opinion here is.

I just point out the following survey

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/01/22/our-trust-in-media-abc-still-leads-as-commercial-media-struggle/

"Our commercial media have struggled to regain trust with Australians, while the ABC remains far ahead."


Very few people trust Rupert it seems

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Trust is not rated here just blind obedience to the conservative view of the world or else its bias.
 
IFocus said:
Trust is not rated here just blind obedience to the conservative view of the world or else its bias.
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Just drink the Kool Aid IFocus :cool:
 
IFocus said:
LOL yeah looking forward to a Bintang come May
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Boleh saya minta satu dingin bir Bintang ... cepat cepat!

Some of Rupert Murdoch's tweets prior to the election.

This is a little of what he thought. 5 February 2012: “Don’t understand Aussie politics. Can Kevin Rudd really come back and knife Gillard? Weird place mucking up great future.” Followed by: “Gillard once good education minister, now prisoner of minority & Greenies. Rudd still delusional who nobody could work with. Nobody else?” 24 February 2012: “Oz Labor tearing themselves to pieces. Ugly sight. Tony Abbott should just lie low and watch.” 17 May 2013: “Australia itself makes no carbon problem. China does, but what can we do other than meaningless gestures costly to every home?” 26 June 2013: “Australian public now totally disgusted with Labor Party wrecking country with it’s [sic] sordid intrigues.” 19 August 2013: “Conviction politicians hard to find anywhere. Australia’s Tony Abbott a rare exception. Opponent Rudd all over the place convincing nobody.” 7 September 2013: “Aust election public sick of public sector workers and phony welfare scroungers sucking life out of economy.” 19 September 2013: “Great first day by PM Abbott firing top bureaucrats, merging departments and killing carbon tax."

Tell it like it is Rupert. So when Julia Gillard threatened to reform the media in Australia cause she was getting slammed in the tabloids leading up to the election this was OK?

Prime Minister Julia Gillard over the last few days has gone on a full frontal attack on the Australian Media which undermines free speech in this country. Her motive is to cover-up her own corrupt past. Julie Gillard has personally phoned executives and editors at News Ltd and highly likely Fairfax Media to stop reporting on her past of helping her former boyfriend Bruce Wilson rip off the AWU of over $1,000,000. It makes one wonder if she has also phoned other media as well in her cover-up attempt.
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http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com...past-the-fairfax-media-and-news-corp-scandal/

But when the ABC incorrectly reports that torture of asylum seekers by our own Navy was incorrect and Mr Scott refuses to apologise then this is not OK?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/abc-admits-torture-reports-error/story-e6frg996-1226817964071#

Kettle black anyone?
 
Got the Herald Sun delivered instead of the Age I subscribe to today.
Besides lacking content. page 3 is all about how many drivers have been booked for slow driving this past year.
Page 4 is a traditional attack on the ABC. I think they have a reporter whose only duty is to find ways to attack the ABC and Fairfax.
Get to page 6 and finally the Alcoa shutdown finally makes the news. Of course their article is in baby English and the special comment section blames the GFC when it has much more to do with the rise of energy due to the failed privatisation of our electrical assets.

It is just propaganda.

As in the survey Rumpole pointed out a few posts up, people don't trust Newscorp, even the ones who regularly read it.
You would need to be mildly retarded to believe what you read in this "news"paper.
 
Knobby22 said:
Got the Herald Sun delivered instead of the Age I subscribe to today.
Besides lacking content. page 3 is all about how many drivers have been booked for slow driving this past year.
Page 4 is a traditional attack on the ABC. I think they have a reporter whose only duty is to find ways to attack the ABC and Fairfax.
Get to page 6 and finally the Alcoa shutdown finally makes the news. Of course their article is in baby English and the special comment section blames the GFC when it has much more to do with the rise of energy due to the failed privatisation of our electrical assets.

It is just propaganda.

As in the survey Rumpole pointed out a few posts up, people don't trust Newscorp, even the ones who regularly read it.
You would need to be mildly retarded to believe what you read in this "news"paper.
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I don't think you should judge all News Ltd publications by the Herald Sun. I've never read it but gather it's of similar standard to the Courier Mail, the tabloid publication in Qld. It's rubbish.

But "The Australian" is an entirely different matter imo.
There's no doubt, however, that it does have a Right bias, just as Fairfax and the ABC lean Left.
That's OK for both the privately owned companies but not OK for a publicly funded organisation charged with presenting unbiased material.
 
Julia said:
There's no doubt, however, that it does have a Right bias, just as Fairfax and the ABC lean Left.
That's OK for both the privately owned companies but not OK for a publicly funded organisation charged with presenting unbiased material.
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Who do you trust more , Murdoch or the ABC ?

According to the survey I have previously referred to, the ABC is trusted by many more people (which obviously includes Liberal voters) than the commercial media.

Please get over this supposed "Left bias" of the ABC. Did you know its managing director once worked for the NSW Liberals ?

So Barry Cassidy once worked for Bob Hawke, big deal. Press secretaries are like lawyers, they work for whoever pays them . I'm sure you will find people at the ABC who worked for many parties or candidates. It means nothing.

And even if the ABC does "lean Left", which I don't believe anyway, that just balances out the overwhelming list to the Right of the commercial media. The ABC has a duty to provide a balance overall, and do things that the commercial media doesn't. That's why you have shows like 4 Corners. They have blown the gaff on Labor and Liberals alike.

If your views are to the Right, a Centre position seems Left to you. Your perception of media bias is determined by your own bias. Only when your own views are unbiased can you make a judgement on others.
 
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