ABC is Political

[drsmith]

Perhaps consider that some of us actually like the hard copy delivered, especially the large Weekend Australian.
I just don't get it every day of the week, and am not going to subscribe just for the occasional article I might miss on the days I don't see the whole paper.

Noco has recently taken the trouble to copy and paste the entire article to which he is referring which is much appreciated. Hope this doesn't infringe any copyright?

One example where an article is not quiet as premium as we have been advised,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-lanka-reverses/story-fn9hm1gu-1226775480556#

Andrew Bolt has more of it on his blog, but with his usual snips,

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...sri_lankan_boat_people_sent_back_than_arrive/

This looks like where it was lifted from,

http://colombogazette.com/2013/12/04/decline-in-lankan-boat-people/

 

[drsmith]

It would be good if the ABC could get the detail right.

LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER:The move follows the failure of the Government's bid earlier this week to reintroduce temporary protection visas, which give would-be refugees short-term protection without granting them asylum. That was blocked by Labor and the Greens.

The government was successful in reintroducing TPV's. They were then subsequently disallowed by the Labor/Green majority in the Senate.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3905215.htm

 

[drsmith]

Another fact check from the ABC, this time on Scott Morrison's claim that boat arrivals since the commencement of OSB has declined 80% when compared to Kevin Rudd's PNG solution.

Story headline on the ABC's front page,

Boat numbers don't add up

The above is a bare faced lie. The story headline though is truer though to the crux of the article's point,

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison not telling the full story on asylum seeker arrivals

As for the full story, we all know who re-established the problem in the first place and the context in which the same PM established his PNG solution.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-...ing-full-story-asylum-seeker-arrivals/5119380

 

[drsmith]

An interesting insight on Tony Delroy's Nightlife show this evening (first hour).

The essential point was that if you listen (or read) to something enough times, you'll be inclined to believe it regardless of the quality of the source.

On ABC radio, I heard how much extra the Coalition's NBN plan was now estimated to cost on the 6pm news, PM and the 7pm news. No mention though of the dollar figure on how much extra Labor's FTTP version will cost in any of the above.

 

[sptrawler]

An interesting insight on Tony Delroy's Nightlife show this evening (first hour).

The essential point was that if you listen (or read) to something enough times, you'll be inclined to believe it regardless of the quality of the source.

On ABC radio, I heard how much extra the Coalition's NBN plan was now estimated to cost on the 6pm news, PM and the 7pm news. No mention though of the dollar figure on how much extra Labor's FTTP version will cost in any of the above.

Yes most comentary today hasn't mentioned the cost of FTTP. Weird

 

[IFocus]

I always like to read through the comments after the opinion articles.

ABC comments are extended researched, factual and informative. Discussions tend to be civil except for the odd troll.

Liberal Daily News comments are in the main with little exception are angry rhetorical rants with no factual base and really quite boring.

Just an observation.

Of course if I want the facts I always check with the ABC.

 

[sails]

I always like to read through the comments after the opinion articles.

ABC comments are extended researched, factual and informative. Discussions tend to be civil except for the odd troll.

Liberal Daily News comments are in the main with little exception are angry rhetorical rants with no factual base and really quite boring.

Just an observation.

Of course if I want the facts I always check with the ABC.

IFocus, when something agrees with your political bias you are likely to see it as fact. If the ABC were as biased to the coalition as they are to labor/greens, you would not be happy.

Can you accept that so many people see the political bias of the ABC to the left as blatantly obvious. Just because it confirms your own bias doesn't mean there is none.

If Abbott were the centre of something like the AWU scandal, I think there is a high possibility that the ABC would have broadcast the court case on Monday several times a day and still be going. But next to nothing on this from the ABC.

Prior to the election, the ABC had practically nothing on the 50,000+ boat arrivals. Since the coalition got in they now keep a tally and don't they broadcast every arrival several times if just one boat arrives?

How can you possibly say there is no bias? That's just two examples. There have been many more like Insiders where it has been reported there might be one guest from the coalition against the rest from labor/greens.

ABC has many good shows that are not political and it would be a shame to see them go, but something needs to be done about the clear political agenda that seems to be coming from the ABC which is paid for by ALL Australians. It should represent ALL Australians. For example, they should have been reporting ALL boat arrivals for the last six years and not just started now. Where is the consistency for ALL Australians?

 

[overhang]

Prior to the election, the ABC had practically nothing on the 50,000+ boat arrivals. Since the coalition got in they now keep a tally and don't they broadcast every arrival several times if just one boat arrives?

Funny how our own bias can give us selective memory, I clearly remember the ABC broadcasting almost daily the that a new boat arrived under the last government. This was on the hourly news bulletins.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The ABC pitches to the New Class, an upper middle educated class, and it's programming reflects this.

It has a public service attitude, evidenced by the absence of it's star leftie shows, QA, Insiders and Media Watch, from the airwaves for three months over summer, even when parliament is sitting.

Most working Australians avoid it's elitist shows.

If the ABC showed more programmes that would attract the ordinary workers and their families, I would be in favour of saving it.

It is so inward looking that this year it has disappeared up it's own fundament.

The final insult was the amplification of Snowden's treachery via our 8c a day.

I would not care one whit were it disbanded, although the rural and regional stations should be kept, as they are a sea of sanity in a metropolitan sewer.

Perhaps a complete withdrawl of funds from Sydney and Melbourne, with a reorg, would be the way to go.

gg

 

[basilio]

It's a real problem the ABC isn't it ? It offers intelligent programs on Science, Arts, History, the Environment, childrens shows. The drama and comedy from the BBC are excellent

It doesn't (generally) have a host of vapid, ridiculously overhyped dancing/cooking/reality programs.

In the current affairs area it is one of the very few stations that will challenge politicians from all parties who try to offer up half/complete untruths.

The producers doesn't have to keep an eye on owners who want their particular projects supported or at least not attacked. And it doesn't have to be wary of offending big advertisers who would pull out their money if the wrong stories are covered.

And finally I don't have to put up with myriads of mind numbing ads that destroy any semblance of continuity in programs and turn the brain into mush.

Go figure..

 

[trainspotter]

It's a real problem the ABC isn't it ? It offers intelligent programs on Science, Arts, History, the Environment, childrens shows. The drama and comedy from the BBC are excellent

It doesn't (generally) have a host of vapid, ridiculously overhyped dancing/cooking/reality programs.

In the current affairs area it is one of the very few stations that will challenge politicians from all parties who try to offer up half/complete untruths.

The producers doesn't have to keep an eye on owners who want their particular projects supported or at least not attacked. And it doesn't have to be wary of offending big advertisers who would pull out their money if the wrong stories are covered.

And finally I don't have to put up with myriads of mind numbing ads that destroy any semblance of continuity in programs and turn the brain into mush.

Go figure..

+1 ..... now if we could only get them to stop navel gazing.

THE ABC will undertake a series of sweeping reviews of its content after chairman Jim Spigelman conceded the public broadcaster needed to address allegations of bias and rebalance the airtime it gave to left-wing issues such as gay marriage, to focus more on mainstream concerns such as electricity pricing.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/med...gations-of-bias/story-fna045gd-1226781045768#

 

[Chris45]

Has the ABC been taken over by feminists as well as leftists?

The Brisbane 7pm news used to be read by David Curnow who was an excellent presenter with a very enjoyable style. Nine months ago he was mysteriously dumped and replaced by Karina Carvalho. So Queensland news, weather and current affairs are now dominated by feminists.

Dress standards have declined significantly and not only on the ABC. While the few remaining male presenters always appear in suits and ties, most of the females, Leigh Sales for example, frequently appear with casual low cut tops exposing their cleavages. If I want pr0n there are plenty of internet sites I can visit, I don't want to be confronted by it while watching the news.

 

[IFocus]

IFocus, when something agrees with your political bias you are likely to see it as fact. If the ABC were as biased to the coalition as they are to labor/greens, you would not be happy.

Can you accept that so many people see the political bias of the ABC to the left as blatantly obvious. Just because it confirms your own bias doesn't mean there is none.

If Abbott were the centre of something like the AWU scandal, I think there is a high possibility that the ABC would have broadcast the court case on Monday several times a day and still be going. But next to nothing on this from the ABC.

Prior to the election, the ABC had practically nothing on the 50,000+ boat arrivals. Since the coalition got in they now keep a tally and don't they broadcast every arrival several times if just one boat arrives?

How can you possibly say there is no bias? That's just two examples. There have been many more like Insiders where it has been reported there might be one guest from the coalition against the rest from labor/greens.

ABC has many good shows that are not political and it would be a shame to see them go, but something needs to be done about the clear political agenda that seems to be coming from the ABC which is paid for by ALL Australians. It should represent ALL Australians. For example, they should have been reporting ALL boat arrivals for the last six years and not just started now. Where is the consistency for ALL Australians?

The political middle ground is not screaming bias against the ABC but certainly those with vested interests and political agendas do.

Quite frankly the ABC broadcasts to community's at large which the right wing is never involved in other than to strip money off so I guess its always going to be called left wing as there is a certain social conciousness about its programming some thing that will never exist under a Coalition government or from its supporters.(not trying to include at you of course)

Peter Reith regularly writes on the ABC opinion section (has become the mouth piece for things the government cannot say publicly) for good reason so he can at least claim some sort of credibility.

Like I said before for intelligence the comments on the ABC website just leave the Liberal Daily News publications for dead and the ABC get their facts right.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Our diggers in Afghanistan not only have to deal with the Taliban and Islamic nutters, but now have to deal with the ABC, trying to slur our soldiers over the death of an enemy combatant as a death in custody.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-13/hurley-may-have-misled-senate-on-27combat-related-death27-in-/5156524

This carry on by the ABC, would have made it impossible for us to defeat the Japanese and Nazi's during WW2, had our ADF personnel had to keep the un-Australian ABC from their shoulders in every action they were in.

Shame on the ABC for spinning a story for what it is not.

Pillocks.

gg

 

[sptrawler]

Quite frankly the ABC broadcasts to community's at large which the right wing is never involved in other than to strip money off so I guess its always going to be called left wing as there is a certain social conciousness about its programming some thing that will never exist under a Coalition government or from its supporters.(not trying to include at you of course)

So how many of your rentals do you lease out to the needy ?
A bit catty, but I hate chardonay socialists.

 

[IFocus]

So how many of your rentals do you lease out to the needy ?
A bit catty, but I hate chardonay socialists.

Not so catty but certainly nasty, personal and really unnecessary but I do speak from experience you should get out more.

The rentals I own are actually the cheapest in the area they are very clean and comfortable (I would live in them) with some long term tenants and often taken by people waiting for state housing.

We could do them up and double the rents and will one day to fund retirement income but currently have a long term resident who is losing limbs due to diabetes and will wait to see how that plays out.

I guess many here (maybe you?)would sneer and call the tenants white trash but they often people who have fallen on hard times for a whole range of reasons and are without exception good Australians and wonderful people.

Sorry to everyone being off topic back on topic Sptrawler feel free to debate the tread title rather than making personal jibes at people you have never met.

 

[wayneL]

The political middle ground is not screaming bias against the ABC but certainly those with vested interests and political agendas do.

One of my clients is a freelance journo and from knowing her, she is about as middle ground as you can get. Her opinion is that some sections of the ABC (not all) are most certainly very left wing dominated and ergo, biased.

Also commented on bias from other news sources, but agreed that the ABC in some circumstances disregrds and abuses its charter.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The ABC seems to have a peculiar bias against the ADF.

Our servicemen and women answer for their actions through their command structure and ultimately to the Minister for Defence and Parliament and thus to the people of Australia.

ABC journalists have a tendency to revel in the failings of our armed forces, and exhibit a need to have the ADF answer to them, rather than the people.

The concoction that has recently been published against a serving member in Afghanistan, via questioning of a combat death that has already been investigated, gives succour to the enemies of our troops, rather than shed any light on justice or right in the ADF.

I fail to remember any positive articles from the ABC on our venture in Afghanistan.

A political stance is not what we need from our national broadcaster.

Support for our troops would be more appropriate.

This is not to say that we should not debate the rights and wrongs of our involvement in that land of muppets and murderers that is Afghanistan.

The ABC needs to remember that it is the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

Delivering our overseas broadcasting arm, Australia Network, in to a nest of left wing appartchiks would seem unwise in the extreme.

gg

 

[IFocus]

One of my clients is a freelance journo and from knowing her, she is about as middle ground as you can get. Her opinion is that some sections of the ABC (not all) are most certainly very left wing dominated and ergo, biased.

I agreed and you could throw in homosexual, off beat, wacky, and the odd right wing nut job.

What you don't see much off (thankfully) is the tabloid commentary on the ABC which is what I think (maybe wrong) the right want on the ABC.

Annabel puts some context around just how ridiculous criticism has become

Piers Akerman on dangerous ground with Peppa Pig

It's a grim Christmas here in the ABC trenches. Ordnance whistles overhead, and the whine of the air-raid sirens has become a normal feature of daily life.

One minute it's Miranda Devine strafing Behind The News. The next, it's a devastating artillery assault centring on the fact that Kerry O'Brien was paid - PAID! - to do his interviews with Paul Keating.

The column started as a perfectly ordinary light-to-medium ABC-gumming on the usual theme of organisational leftist propaganda and generalised wickedness. But then, this: "Even the cartoon character Peppa Pig pushes a weird feminist line that would be closer to the hearts of Labor's Handbag Hit Squad than the preschool audience it is aimed at."

This is a serious allegation. Of all the programs watched on the ABC's iView platform, Peppa Pig is the most popular by a long straw. Between January and November this year, the show was watched 25 million times. That is correct, 25 million times; impressive, even when you factor in the possibility that several million of those might have been Mr Akerman, monitoring the cartoon piglet round the clock for signs of latent man-hate.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/piers...h-peppa-pig-20131214-2zdvx.html#ixzz2nUZkuqxw

 

[Logique]

The infiltration and control of the organisational culture by a Green-Left inner city elite is the problem. I do agree with Miranda Devine and Ray Evans, that:

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...lytelegraph/comments/abc_bias_plan_laughable/

...Far better is the Ray Evans solution, to decentralise the ABC by splitting it into competing state organisations.

That would disempower Left-Green inner-city elites who control the culture and help the ABC fulfill its charter to “reflect the cultural diversity of the Australian community”...