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No wayne. Hate speech is hate speech... attempting to confine it to the left is just obvious bias.

...it doesn't matter whether it's left / right / upside down / pointing to or away from the media.

Why not be honest with yourself and call things for what they are - rather than what you want them to be?
 
I wonder if the ABC will run a series of programs exonerating Cardinal Pell? From what I read, they seem to have run plenty of articles and programs, during the condemning phase of the case.
I don't watch news or current affairs, but did notice on ASF at the time, there was quite a bit of debate surrounding the issue.Andrew Bolt was mentioned quite a lot.
It is strange that only 3 journo's were present to hear the ruling, I wonder if most knew what the outcome would be?
Oh well the media can move on to the next person, they want to put up on the cross of sensational reporting, in the name of public entertainment.:mad:
Very, very sad indeed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04...t-appeal-child-sex-abuse-convictions/12048726
From the article:
The unanimous decision has been handed down less than a month after the High Court of Australia heard two days of intense legal arguments from the Cardinal's lawyers and Victorian prosecutors.
The full bench's ruling was handed down by Chief Justice Susan Kiefel in an almost empty High Court registry in Brisbane, due to physical-distancing measures introduced in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

The public gallery, which can seat up to 16 people, only contained three journalists to hear Chief Justice Kiefel deliver the ruling at 10:00am.
 
sptrawler said:
The public gallery, which can seat up to 16 people, only contained three journalists to hear Chief Justice Kiefel deliver the ruling at 10:00am.
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COVID restrictions.

Personally I think he deserved some time for what he did in moving pedophile priests around so they could continue their obnoxious pastime, but that wasn't what he was charged with.

There was always too much doubt in my mind that he had the opportunity to do what was alleged, and conviction by allegation alone is disturbing.
 
SirRumpole said:
There was always too much doubt in my mind that he had the opportunity to do what was alleged, and conviction by allegation alone is disturbing.
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The problem is IMO, trail by media is becoming the norm, disturbing is understating it.
Just my opinion.
 
Extraordinary comments re the most trusted media outlet in Australia, however I am likely to agree as Insiders last Sunday was run entirely by serving or ex serving Murdoch journalists some thing noted by themselves.

Is this is imbalanced opinion?

Crickets...........:roflmao::roflmao:
 
PZ99 said:
No wayne. Hate speech is hate speech... attempting to confine it to the left is just obvious bias.

...it doesn't matter whether it's left / right / upside down / pointing to or away from the media.

Why not be honest with yourself and call things for what they are - rather than what you want them to be?
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Agree with you, *because you missed my point.

When my eye muscles have recovered from excessive rolling, I'll 'splain.
 
PZ99 said:
OK... on one condition - ban all Murdoch media in this country.

We don't need another clone of prejudged hate speech undermining our democracy and replacing our Prime Ministers at will.
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What you mean like Tony Abbott? Oh sorry that was Fairfax, my bad.:p
 
Tony Abbott shirtfronted himself out of the job in record time IMO

His banning of frontbench ministers on Q/A + his role in the Turnbull removal was a classic case of "my way or the highway" and adds to my claim about prejudged views passing off as "balance".

But now the country is spiraling towards going broke, the ABC will probably be privatised pretty quick so I reckon tell Murdoch to buzz off by sending him a tax invoice akin to the total value of his company. After all it's not a media outlet it's a political party.
 
PZ99 said:
His banning of frontbench ministers on Q/A + his role in the Turnbull removal was a classic case of "my way or the highway" and adds to my claim about prejudged views passing off as "balance".
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Would that be the Turnbull that knifed Brendan Nelson and Abbott.:roflmao::roflmao:

Love it, I wouldn't be surprised if Turnbull doesn't run for a Labor seat, Fairfax would fund it for sure.:xyxthumbs

By the way, great to see a bit of volatility, it has been way too staid for some time.
 
sptrawler said:
Would that be the Turnbull that knifed Brendan Nelson and Abbott.:roflmao::roflmao:

Love it, I wouldn't be surprised if Turnbull doesn't run for a Labor seat, Fairfax would fund it for sure.:xyxthumbs

By the way, great to see a bit of volatility, it has been way too staid for some time.
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Yep that would that be the Turnbull that was knifed by Abbott.... twice :)
 
PZ99 said:
Yep that would that be the Turnbull that was knifed by Abbott.... twice :)
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So all is square.:xyxthumbs
There isn't many in politics IMO, that can take the moral high ground, some that come to mind are Allan Carpenter W.A Labor, man of principles that stood by them and then resigned.
Charlie Court W.A, put the State first before anything.
Collin Barnett same as above.
Gough Whitlam put people before the economy and made workers realise they can get paid more, put a bomb under establishment and has always been underrated.
Tony Abbott, wore his heart on his sleeve, was never articulate enough, said it as it was, blew his feet of several times, lived by the sword died by the sword.
I can't think of many other memorable politicians in my lifetime.
Some great showmen have had go, but at the end of the day it was about them not about Australia. Just my opinion.
 
That's fair enough but I'm not making this an anti Abbott rant.

What I disagree with, is the Murdoch media directly undermining our democracy.

A massive campaign against Rudd in 2013 another one against Turnbull in 2018 and a dishonest one against Pauline Hanson a few years ago - they posted soft pr0n pics of her in the paper before an election which turned out to be fake afterwards...

And yet people wanna sook about the ABC.

I think the ulterior motive by the right is to just not have any form of state owned media - it's not their lexicon - so it doesn't matter who they put in charge of the ABC - it will always face vexatious claims about bias. Even if Tony Abbott himself was running the thing it would still be looked upon as a virtue signalling extreme left social engineering outlet.

You just can't please some people :2twocents:2twocents
 
PZ99 said:
That's fair enough but I'm not making this an anti Abbott rant.

What I disagree with, is the Murdoch media directly undermining our democracy.

A massive campaign against Rudd in 2013 another one against Turnbull in 2018 and a dishonest one against Pauline Hanson a few years ago - they posted soft pr0n pics of her in the paper before an election which turned out to be fake afterwards...

And yet people wanna sook about the ABC.

I think the ulterior motive by the right is to just not have any form of state owned media - it's not their lexicon - so it doesn't matter who they put in charge of the ABC - it will always face vexatious claims about bias. Even if Tony Abbott himself was running the thing it would still be looked upon as a virtue signalling extreme left social engineering outlet.

You just can't please some people :2twocents:2twocents
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Don't disagree with you at all and as I've said endlessly the wife and I don't watch any T.V other than what she records, which is crime shows NCIS etc, Judge Judy and Bargain Hunt.
I would watch more, but don't because the white noise in the background, isn't worth it.
So I just read the internet, I'm not on facebook or anything like that, ASF and a car forum is it.
So all I know is what is available online, so what i will say is, the SMH etc got rid of Abbott and installed Turnbull, but he obviously was out of step with the Party.
Rudd was a great showman in the right place at the right time, Howard was well past his use by date, but Rudd wanted to be bigger than his missus and his head blew up when he achieved it.
I can't access Murdoch press because it is firewalled, so I don't know what they have to say, except for the headlines.
 
sptrawler said:
Don't disagree with you at all and as I've said endlessly the wife and I don't watch any T.V other than what she records, which is crime shows NCIS etc, Judge Judy and Bargain Hunt.
I would watch more, but don't because the white noise in the background, isn't worth it.
So I just read the internet, I'm not on facebook or anything like that, ASF and a car forum is it.
So all I know is what is available online, so what i will say is, the SMH etc got rid of Abbott and installed Turnbull, but he obviously was out of step with the Party.
Rudd was a great showman in the right place at the right time, Howard was well past his use by date, but Rudd wanted to be bigger than his missus and his head blew up when he achieved it.
I can't access Murdoch press because it is firewalled, so I don't know what they have to say, except for the headlines.
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SP,

Here in NSW the Daily Telegraph is firewalled but at present New.com.au is not

https://www.news.com.au/

I read that, the ABC and Fairfax at SMH plus Yahoo news, quite interesting looking at all the different spins
 
I use google news - which sometimes bypasses paywalls.

I posted an article in another thread without even knowing it was paywalled. Strange setup.
 
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