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Desal plant deals: costly workers plugging drips at desal plant

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s-at-desal-plant/story-fni0fit3-1227117678883

A CFMEU shop steward on the plant was sentenced to 5 ½ years’ jail for the importation of three tonnes of cannabis resin, worth $147 million;

THE royal commission into trade unions has been asked to investigate a crane supervisor from the desal project with links to Mick Gatto; and

CLAIMS that three times the *number of cranes originally thought needed for the plant’s construction were present on the site, and that a number often appeared inactive.

A sad State if Victoria bring Labor back in........
 
Tink said:
Desal plant deals: costly workers plugging drips at desal plant

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s-at-desal-plant/story-fni0fit3-1227117678883

A CFMEU shop steward on the plant was sentenced to 5 ½ years’ jail for the importation of three tonnes of cannabis resin, worth $147 million;

THE royal commission into trade unions has been asked to investigate a crane supervisor from the desal project with links to Mick Gatto; and

CLAIMS that three times the *number of cranes originally thought needed for the plant’s construction were present on the site, and that a number often appeared inactive.

A sad State if Victoria bring Labor back in........
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I just cannot understand the thinking of Victorian people wanting to elect a Labor Government with so much criminality linked to trade Unions and the Labor Party leader.

Although I am from the Sunshine state, it does concern me that Victoria are heading for disaster......lets hope the polls are wrong.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...117569167?sv=24c7597b0863a7bdc957a96bb9f5ea1c
 
Agree, noco, I cannot understand it either.

The ABC are doing their best discrediting the Libs too.
 
More bad results in the polls despite quite good performances by Denis Napthine.
I just think people can't stomach voting Liberal due the Federal effect.
So disappointing.
 
Knobby22 said:
More bad results in the polls despite quite good performances by Denis Napthine.
I just think people can't stomach voting Liberal due the Federal effect.
So disappointing.
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There's more to it than that.

Whether it's 56/44 or 53/47 in favour of Labor, the latest Essential poll for the federal scene is 52/48 in favour of Labor. while still not good for the federal Coalition, it's not as bad as Victoria.

I don't know what's in the coffee there but 16% are saying they'll vote Green.

The betting markets still have the next federal election in favour of the Coalition.

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/australian-federal-politics
 
Yes, it is disappointing, Knobby.

The unions have destroyed this state, and they have already said, they are going to rip up the construction code.
 
My seat is in danger of going to the Greens.
I am thinking after voting for the Libs of voting Green in front of Labor.
Maybe that will make it harder for the unions to take control but I don't really think it will make much difference.

People know that Labor aren't much good but they don't want to vote Liberal.

For those out of Victoria, the television adds for Labor are quite effective. They merge Napthine's face with Tony Abbotts and say "Vote Liberal and you are on your own."
 
drsmith said:
I don't know what's in the coffee there but 16% are saying they'll vote Green.
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I'd expect it has quite a bit to do with lack of sensible alternatives rather than that level of actual support for the Greens.

Labor aren't much good it seems and, at the national level at least and in some states (not sure about Vic) the Liberals aren't doing too much good either. That leaves Greens, PUP and independents with the Greens clearly the most established and with the most predictable policies :2twocents
 
I've been pretty happy with the job the Libs have done over this term, for a politician I find Napthine quite genuine. We haven't had the mess like the desal plant and Myki, you do get a little bit of this with the Libs though
Victorian government gives $5.4 million to Scotch College for land previously valued at $1 million
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but overall the waste is less than with Labor. I really can't figure out how Daniel Andrews has any voter appeal (but then again I said the same thing about Abbott and was wrong), he seems so artificial and a step down from Brumby. So I have no idea how Labor are in front on the polls, surely it can't be a result of the political distrust in the federal government.
 
Knobby22 said:
My seat is in danger of going to the Greens.
I am thinking after voting for the Libs of voting Green in front of Labor.
Maybe that will make it harder for the unions to take control but I don't really think it will make much difference.

People know that Labor aren't much good but they don't want to vote Liberal.

For those out of Victoria, the television adds for Labor are quite effective. They merge Napthine's face with Tony Abbotts and say "Vote Liberal and you are on your own."
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Knobby, I think that is a great call.

The sooner we get to the bottom, the sooner we start the climb back.

I'd recommend handing out how to vote Green flyers, and recommending them to all your friends.

There should be a massive push Australia wide, to get the Greens in power.
Then when everyone is out of a job, looking at each other, they can say,"what the FFF happened". lol
 
Agree, Knobby, regarding the ads.

I am in a safe Liberal seat.

Libs are preferencing Labor over the Greens.
 
Greens and Labor candidates are travelling and campaigning in tandem on the same buses throughout the state.

Greens a threat to our stability

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...to-our-stability/story-fni0ffsx-1227127476497

and a piece from Jeff Kennett

There is still no vision for where the competing parties want to take the state by 2050.
For me it has been another non-event week.
I have no doubt both major parties and their politicians and staffers are working tirelessly, but neither side has created any energy within the electorate. Neither has sparked any enthusiasm for or against anything. No love, no hate. No passion.

Both sides throwing offerings of billions of dollars’ worth of new promises I can no longer get my head around.
I would love this paper to do a double-page spread listing all the promises and the cost of the promises of both parties.
Where is the money coming from?
The Coalition has said it will come from the current and future budget surpluses it has already generated. As it is the only Government in Australia running a surplus Budget, and state debt is projected to reduce as a percentage of State Gross Product, there might be some merit in their argument.

The ALP has to date refused to indicate where it will generate the wealth to pay for its promises, so until it does we have great cause to be concerned.
Partly as a result of this election campaign failing to stir our juices, the final decision of the thinking public might come down to the question: Who do you trust most to manage your money?
After all, it is our money these politicians are committing to spend, not theirs.

We more experienced members of the community become more cautious as we live our lives. We want security, to live our lives with dignity.
Our young want fun. But fun can only be had if we work hard, and have jobs that allow us to have fun. With no jobs, and no income, it is hard to have the fun and build the future you envisage.
So to all voters, regardless of age I say who do you best trust to manage your money for the next four years? It is your money, your life, your vote. You decide.

Finally, the Greens have done a preference deal with Clive Palmer’s PUPs. Well bugger me, I thought the Greens stood for integrity for the environment? They have shown they stand for nothing of value at all. Political prostitutes. The Greens and PUP deserve each other. Neither give a hoot about Victoria, it is all about self and disruption.
 
With a week to go, we need a miracle, 52-48 in the polls.

Tasmania is a state with negative population, no jobs and not much on the horizon other than tourism. All that happened because of the Greens. The Tasmanians gave them a nice big boot out of their homeland, along with Labor at the last election. now they are in Victoria travelling with Labor trying to do the same thing.

Andrews, the former Labor Gaming and Health Minister who destroyed both his portfolios, who is protecting his criminal mates at the CMFEU, who back flipped on the East West Link for the Greens.
What is Victoria doing.

As I have mentioned -

the short-term political gain he’s made from opposing East West will translate into longer-term economic pain. Assuming Labor wins power without requiring the Greens’ support, early next year our new premier will announce the road tunnel must proceed

Wake up Victoria.

https://vic.liberal.org.au/#Election2014

Also, when you see all these minor parties, we may end up with a hotch potch of all sorts, paralysing Victoria.
 
I lived in Victoria, briefly, many years ago.

When they elected John Cain, I saw the havoc he was going to cause, so returned quickly to Queensland.

They are not all that bright in Victoria. They vote often with a misplaced soft left conscience rather than their wallets.

I will never understand them.

gg
 
The cost of the east west link, 8 billion, and on past projects probably blow to 12 bil/pluss, spent on public transport and alternative outer ring connections would make an enourmouse impact on road traffic congestion here in Melbourne.

Only a billion or 2 would take a raik link to the airport from the line near Essondon to Tullamarine.

Eastlink connected tothe outer western ring road prob 4 billion would takehuge through traffic away from the inner area. The City Link Tunnells only after a few years after completion to become a bottleneck. Eastwest link would very soon be the same, particularly where it meets the tulla and Racecourse Road.

Another costly nightmare is parking, city, tullamarine and now our hospitals. And on these ten dollars an hour plus, and think tulla is much more.

The current short sighted approach by the libs here is one of the reasons why they will be booted at this election.

And polls, different pollingcompanies seem to vary by up to 4%, so I'd guess a mean of around 54 to 46.

W'ell soon know.
 
Tink said:
Tasmania is a state with negative population, no jobs and not much on the horizon other than tourism. All that happened because of the Greens.
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It was pretty well known back in the days of big protests about various things that the strongest support base was in Sydney and Melbourne and that's where many of the protestors originated from. Not all of course, but rather a lot.

There's been a significant "green" movement and thinking in Victoria since at least the 1970's although it has often focused on things outside the state. In contrast, in Tas the green movement has always tended to be very local in focus and pretty much ignores what happens elsewhere.:2twocents
 
drsmith said:
The trend at the moment is actually the other way.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/trus...enders-at-half-the-price-20141015-1169pk.html
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So we can have more of the alternatives suggeted for much less.

Maybe we can even ponder the full development of the excellent deep sea port of Portland. Promised and commenced by the Libs in the late 50's.

Some decentralisation is happenning via retirees to Ballarat and Bendigo but things could reallybe boosted across the south west of the state. Throw in an AFL club and a casino and Warrnambool to Portland could be the new paradise. Throw in the outer ring road i suggest and transort could cross the state east to west in five hours.
 
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