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Be interesting to see what Labor takes to the election now.
2014 Victorian Election
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I love those polls, they are so snakey and clever, they border on fallacious presupposition....are Australians programmed to behave like trained monkeys or what!
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The Greens are now recruiting Bob Brown for a possum they need to save.
This Napthine Government has built more hospitals in the past 3 years than Labor did in over 11 years. They've also invested more money in public transport and road development.
A vote for Labor is a vote for the Greens. A vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor.
Unless the Liberals get first votes, Labor will win with an obligation to the Greens.
God help Victoria
This Napthine Government has built more hospitals in the past 3 years than Labor did in over 11 years. They've also invested more money in public transport and road development.
A vote for Labor is a vote for the Greens. A vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor.
Unless the Liberals get first votes, Labor will win with an obligation to the Greens.
God help Victoria
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I should have probably added Bob Browns arrival for the election.
I hope they haven't forgotten 2009. Why is it that they only pick one place, where there is work to be done.
Don't get me wrong, I care for the animal too, and work is being done, the Greens just go too far.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...o-political-fray/story-fnocxssc-1227085648854
Environment Minister Ryan Smith said: “The Victorian Coalition Government has taken more action to protect our state’s faunal emblem than Labor did in 11 years”.
“The Napthine Government is investing $11 million to implement all of the 13 recommendations made by the Leadbeater’s possum Advisory Group,” he said.
Cyclists to become pedallers of power at Victorian election
http://www.theguardian.com/australi...come-pedallers-of-power-at-victorian-election
Here we go, these people are part of the Greens, not liking cars.
I am all for cycling, but the roads are to be shared, footpaths too.
No, to banning cars in Chapel St.
Cyclists want chunk of Chapel St to be a bike-only zone
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...-a-bikeonly-zone/story-fni0fit3-1227085623447
I hope they haven't forgotten 2009. Why is it that they only pick one place, where there is work to be done.
Don't get me wrong, I care for the animal too, and work is being done, the Greens just go too far.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...o-political-fray/story-fnocxssc-1227085648854
Environment Minister Ryan Smith said: “The Victorian Coalition Government has taken more action to protect our state’s faunal emblem than Labor did in 11 years”.
“The Napthine Government is investing $11 million to implement all of the 13 recommendations made by the Leadbeater’s possum Advisory Group,” he said.
Cyclists to become pedallers of power at Victorian election
http://www.theguardian.com/australi...come-pedallers-of-power-at-victorian-election
Here we go, these people are part of the Greens, not liking cars.
I am all for cycling, but the roads are to be shared, footpaths too.
No, to banning cars in Chapel St.
Cyclists want chunk of Chapel St to be a bike-only zone
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...-a-bikeonly-zone/story-fni0fit3-1227085623447
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More information on the route and design of the East West Link project
[video=youtube_share;3QJuYdp9DEY]http://youtu.be/3QJuYdp9DEY [/video]
Vic's $1bn Cancer Centre
http://ow.ly/CCot8
[video=youtube_share;3QJuYdp9DEY]http://youtu.be/3QJuYdp9DEY [/video]
Vic's $1bn Cancer Centre
http://ow.ly/CCot8
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Not withstanding your pleas for God's help, being a borderline political atheist I often wonder at those galvanised to a political party being so passionate to implore the "Australians are not stupid" voters to do the right thing as if the things will be better or same.
The two years of LNP in Qld has seen the laws changed and manipulated to suppress freedoms, the one year of LNP in Canberra has seen similar loss of legislated freedoms, yet I had convinced myself the Labs had gone way too far with their desire to turn all of us into defacto public servants and pty companies into qangos. Licencing, fees and red tape has actually impacted harder on my business under the Libs than Labor, it's almost like someone swallowed the Paul Keating guide to bleeding people dry.
Give me a govt that has an agenda to encourage national industry, state/national entrepreneurial spirit, without impoverishing the individuals to get there and I reckon we might be able to produce/profit our way into the successful country we think we are. Might be too long a bow for the kind of self aggrandised or knuckle headed political gene pool we get to choose from.
Knobby22
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Tisme
The Libs in Victoria are more moderate.
The Libs in Victoria are more moderate.
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NOTORIOUS dole-bludging protester Tony Murphy has cost the Victorian taxpayer $1.7 million in his failed court bids to stop the East West Link.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...094332282?sv=7a6da48006c6838098e30fe20a55e5ef
Unbelievable...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...094332282?sv=7a6da48006c6838098e30fe20a55e5ef
Unbelievable...
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The Victorian Government is currently run and controlled by the Real Estate Property Developers and to facilitate that expansion "the highway men ", like the makers of Peninsula Link recently and very light on traffic too. No doubt East West Link will get heavy traffic, but like the rest of inner Melbourne it will be grid locked. A cheaper option would have been to connect the east link to the outer ring road and thereby clear all the through traffic and heavy vehicles away from inner Melbourne.
The waste of 9 plus billion on a road that will do little to fix the problems in victoria is an absolute disgrace.
This issue should have waited till the election and of Labor win there should be a royal commission into the Libs connections with these highway men.
"Dont' you worry about that " the money running the Guvmint is alive in Victoria.
The waste of 9 plus billion on a road that will do little to fix the problems in victoria is an absolute disgrace.
This issue should have waited till the election and of Labor win there should be a royal commission into the Libs connections with these highway men.
"Dont' you worry about that " the money running the Guvmint is alive in Victoria.
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Half a year of Liberals in Tas and now going the same way. Then there's Abbott and co.
Seems to be a pattern there.
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As I said at the start, don't waste our money, we need both, which the government is intent on doing, but of course the Labor/Greens, they splash the cash and complain that they can't get to jobs, regional areas etc, yet they are the ones stopping progress.
You want something done, it's getting done.
A plan for this state, road and rail, and everyone has been commenting on how much is being done at the stations.
As I have said, there has been movement, and all within budget, not like Labor and their union mates which they are still attached to.
How much did that desalination plant cost us? Myki?
Monash Hospital, Box Hill Hospital, Eye and Ear Hospital, have all been upgraded, no debts.
Labor will build this east west link, it has been signed, sealed, delivered and to this day, no one has ripped a contract.
Daniel Andrews was FOR the east west link.
The Greens are the only ones causing mayhem and its time those councils had a dose of reality how they spend their ratepayers money.
Freedoms? No wonder the left don't like work for the dole, when they spend their time becoming pests. Where is the cap?
Julian Knight kills 25 people and is up to 4 million in court costs to the taxpayer, how long do we allow this to go on?
TisMe, I was always a swinging voter until the last few years.
As I have said, the pendulum has swung too far to the left, and needs to come back in the middle.
You want something done, it's getting done.
A plan for this state, road and rail, and everyone has been commenting on how much is being done at the stations.
As I have said, there has been movement, and all within budget, not like Labor and their union mates which they are still attached to.
How much did that desalination plant cost us? Myki?
Monash Hospital, Box Hill Hospital, Eye and Ear Hospital, have all been upgraded, no debts.
Labor will build this east west link, it has been signed, sealed, delivered and to this day, no one has ripped a contract.
Daniel Andrews was FOR the east west link.
The Greens are the only ones causing mayhem and its time those councils had a dose of reality how they spend their ratepayers money.
Freedoms? No wonder the left don't like work for the dole, when they spend their time becoming pests. Where is the cap?
Julian Knight kills 25 people and is up to 4 million in court costs to the taxpayer, how long do we allow this to go on?
TisMe, I was always a swinging voter until the last few years.
As I have said, the pendulum has swung too far to the left, and needs to come back in the middle.
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We know what will happen if Labor gets in within Victoria.
Huge pay rises for ambulance, teachers and nurses and any other public sector worker.
No money left to do anything.
They fixed a couple of crossings the whole time they were in last time. At least the Libs are knocking them off one by one. They did nothing at the Springvale crossing. The did nothing despite a number of deaths and some local demonstrations they at the St Albans crossing, because it is a safe Labor seat and there were no votes in it. It has taken the Libs to finally fix it. The death of a girl on a well known death trap crossing in rural Victoria due the Government putting off the crossing for another 5 years was, in my belief, the reason Bracks resigned soon after.
We know what we will get if Labor gets in. Nothing. They even ran down the train system and it was on this issue that they lost the State election last time.
State Government is not like Federal Government. It is all about managing and spending wisely the cash received.
In Victoria, there has been no suppression of freedoms. We aren't a one paper owner town like Queensland and no government would ever get away with it. As I said, the Liberal government in Victoria is a much more centrist government. You know my feelings about Abbott.
Huge pay rises for ambulance, teachers and nurses and any other public sector worker.
No money left to do anything.
They fixed a couple of crossings the whole time they were in last time. At least the Libs are knocking them off one by one. They did nothing at the Springvale crossing. The did nothing despite a number of deaths and some local demonstrations they at the St Albans crossing, because it is a safe Labor seat and there were no votes in it. It has taken the Libs to finally fix it. The death of a girl on a well known death trap crossing in rural Victoria due the Government putting off the crossing for another 5 years was, in my belief, the reason Bracks resigned soon after.
We know what we will get if Labor gets in. Nothing. They even ran down the train system and it was on this issue that they lost the State election last time.
State Government is not like Federal Government. It is all about managing and spending wisely the cash received.
In Victoria, there has been no suppression of freedoms. We aren't a one paper owner town like Queensland and no government would ever get away with it. As I said, the Liberal government in Victoria is a much more centrist government. You know my feelings about Abbott.
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Kindergarten teachers are on strike now for a pay rise, must be an election coming up
Billions in desalination costs for not a drop of water
THE consumer bill for the nation’s largest desalination plant is set to rise to more than $2 billion, as heavy rain and soaring dam levels make redundant tremendously expensive facilities across the eastern seaboard.
New figures obtained by The Weekend Australian show the Victorian desalination plant, southeast of Melbourne, will have cost water users $1.2bn by the November 29 state election, rising to $2bn by the end of the next financial year.
The cost has soared, despite no water having been drawn from the facility since its opening in 2012 and dams being more than 80 per cent full.
The full cost of building, running and maintaining the plant is forecast to climb markedly in the next three decades.
The Victorian experience has been replicated across Australia’s east and south. Plants in Victoria, NSW, Adelaide and on the Gold Coast cost more than $10bn to build but their operations have been effectively mothballed.
Serious questions are being asked about why state governments past and present have invested billions of dollars in desalination plants when high dam levels ”” such as 88 per cent in Sydney ”” make the infrastructure surplus to requirement.
The great drought ended in 2010, leaving Victoria with a desalination plant about 130km from Melbourne capable of producing 150 billion litres of water a year and a bill over 30 years of as much as $22.5bn, depending on whether, or how much, water is used.
Average yearly water-bill increases in Melbourne of about $200 have been recorded.
Assuming no water has been collected from the Victorian desalination plant by 2039-40, consumers will still have paid more than $18bn to keep the plant going when all costs are included, a prospect that is expected to dominate debate in the final stages of the state election campaign.
Victorian Water Minister Peter Walsh told The Weekend Australian yesterday that the plant was a “gigantic, permanent stain’’ on Labor and its leader, Daniel Andrews. “Every time a Melbourne household gets a water bill, it is a reminder that Labor can’t manage money, can’t manage major projects, and can’t tell the truth,’’ Mr Walsh said.
Data reveals that Melbourne water users will have paid almost $1.1bn by the end of August for the management and maintenance of the plant, with payments rising to more than $1.2bn by the end of the election campaign and $2bn by the end of the next financial year. The payments began in December 2012 but the breaking of the drought in 2010 means the government has opted against making a call on the desalination plant to produce water. The government has placed a zero water order for the supply period ending next June.
Under the deal struck by Labor, Melbourne households are still required to pay about $600m via an annual holding charge, regardless of whether water is taken.
Melbourne water consumers effectively fund the plant via their water bills, exposing Labor to a cost-of-living campaign in the final weeks of the election campaign.
AquaSure was contracted by Victoria to finance, design, build, operate and maintain the plant.
The Wonthaggi plant was embroiled in controversy amid claims it was being built on the back of union sweetheart deals and dramatically generous pay and conditions.
Mr Walsh said the fifth anniversary of the Victorian plant had been marked in June and that despite the cost of the water and the plant, it could only ever produce a third of Melbourne’s water needs. “If we are re-elected in November, the Coalition will continue to look at all means ofreducing Labor’s desal burden.”
Billions in desalination costs for not a drop of water
THE consumer bill for the nation’s largest desalination plant is set to rise to more than $2 billion, as heavy rain and soaring dam levels make redundant tremendously expensive facilities across the eastern seaboard.
New figures obtained by The Weekend Australian show the Victorian desalination plant, southeast of Melbourne, will have cost water users $1.2bn by the November 29 state election, rising to $2bn by the end of the next financial year.
The cost has soared, despite no water having been drawn from the facility since its opening in 2012 and dams being more than 80 per cent full.
The full cost of building, running and maintaining the plant is forecast to climb markedly in the next three decades.
The Victorian experience has been replicated across Australia’s east and south. Plants in Victoria, NSW, Adelaide and on the Gold Coast cost more than $10bn to build but their operations have been effectively mothballed.
Serious questions are being asked about why state governments past and present have invested billions of dollars in desalination plants when high dam levels ”” such as 88 per cent in Sydney ”” make the infrastructure surplus to requirement.
The great drought ended in 2010, leaving Victoria with a desalination plant about 130km from Melbourne capable of producing 150 billion litres of water a year and a bill over 30 years of as much as $22.5bn, depending on whether, or how much, water is used.
Average yearly water-bill increases in Melbourne of about $200 have been recorded.
Assuming no water has been collected from the Victorian desalination plant by 2039-40, consumers will still have paid more than $18bn to keep the plant going when all costs are included, a prospect that is expected to dominate debate in the final stages of the state election campaign.
Victorian Water Minister Peter Walsh told The Weekend Australian yesterday that the plant was a “gigantic, permanent stain’’ on Labor and its leader, Daniel Andrews. “Every time a Melbourne household gets a water bill, it is a reminder that Labor can’t manage money, can’t manage major projects, and can’t tell the truth,’’ Mr Walsh said.
Data reveals that Melbourne water users will have paid almost $1.1bn by the end of August for the management and maintenance of the plant, with payments rising to more than $1.2bn by the end of the election campaign and $2bn by the end of the next financial year. The payments began in December 2012 but the breaking of the drought in 2010 means the government has opted against making a call on the desalination plant to produce water. The government has placed a zero water order for the supply period ending next June.
Under the deal struck by Labor, Melbourne households are still required to pay about $600m via an annual holding charge, regardless of whether water is taken.
Melbourne water consumers effectively fund the plant via their water bills, exposing Labor to a cost-of-living campaign in the final weeks of the election campaign.
AquaSure was contracted by Victoria to finance, design, build, operate and maintain the plant.
The Wonthaggi plant was embroiled in controversy amid claims it was being built on the back of union sweetheart deals and dramatically generous pay and conditions.
Mr Walsh said the fifth anniversary of the Victorian plant had been marked in June and that despite the cost of the water and the plant, it could only ever produce a third of Melbourne’s water needs. “If we are re-elected in November, the Coalition will continue to look at all means ofreducing Labor’s desal burden.”
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Packer usually puts his foot in it.
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Only a fool would make such a defamatory remark about a state premier without evidence. What form does your evidence take?
I'm referring to all the assistance the O'Farrell Government and now the Baird Government has given Packer with his new casino.
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I like reading Jeff Kennett's input...my bolds
APOLOGIES to the readers of my column who are not interested in politics, but the decisions of politicians affect all our lives.
For that reason alone we should all evaluate the policies of the two major parties. Hopefully either the Coalition or the Labor Party will gain sufficient support to govern in their own right. The last thing the State and its voters need is a minority government in which independents or small parties frustrate the will of the party with the majority of our support.
Three factors will contribute to how many of the state’s voters assess performances over the next four weeks. Personalities, policies and colour. Personality is in the main the assessment of how the two leaders Denis Napthine and Daniel Andrews, perform.
Policies, of course, are the offerings that entice us to support one party or the other. Colour, is those issues and moments that are often unexpected, can be embarrassing or uplifting but provide us with light relief from the toil of the campaign.
On Wednesday November 26, I will, on these pages, give you my honest assessment of the election campaign based on five criteria.
The party with the best vision for the state, the party with the best team to manage it, the party with the best commitment to promote a harmonious community, the party with the best commitment to maintaining our cultural heart and the party with the best policies for economic growth.
Labor was first out of the box with their campaign launch at Geelong. Daniel Andrews focused on education. Not a bad idea given that education affects us all. We are all interested and concerned by the quality of education for our young.
The Liberals will be launching their campaign this Sunday in Ballarat, so we can expect to get some idea of their major emphasis for the campaign then.
The only colour this week came from my friend Lloyd Williams, who last Monday at his horse stud at Mount Macedon, with his arm around the shoulders of Daniel Andrews declared “I am on the executive of the Packer estate and James is going to kick every goal he can for you”.
Were you surprised at that display of affection, that colour? I was. Because James Packer works with all elected governments.
He does not involve himself in supporting one side or the other, as he indicated through a statement on Tuesday.
So much of what the Williams and Packer families have built here in a Victoria happened under Conservative governments. Mine, in the main. It was built with Lloyd’s creativity and to date his and James’s money.
I had to wear a lot of political flack when the casino contract was independently awarded to Lloyd’s company Hudson Conway and have from some ever since. But that did not nor does disturb me as I believed in the project and what it would do for Victoria, in particular employment. I still do.
I stood by the concept and contracts, advocated the advantages of the Crown complex and backed the people behind the development. The Crown complex remains an ever-changing offering of immeasurable quality.
THAT belief has been well justified. And James Packer has spent another $1bn renovating what Lloyd built. They have delivered Victoria an asset of which we can all be proud.
But politics is more than just one building or complex. What surprised me most about Lloyd’s endorsement of Daniel Andrews, apart from the fact that he allowed any politician, let alone a team of media on to his territory, is I don’t believe he or his long-term friends Kerry and James Packer would ever endorse and support a politician who threatens to rip up legally binding contracts.
It is a recipe that would threaten any new investment in the state, destroy public confidence and destroy existing jobs while preventing new ones being created.
Neither do I believe any of the above would support a politician who refuses to refute or distance themselves from the thuggery that is the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union, CFMEU. Such refusal to put the public interest first can only suggest that Daniel Andrews if elected to govern the State will allow the CFMEU to unduly influence his actions. The result will again be union supremacy in Victoria and a further reduction in investment and confidence.
I do not know of any senior businessman and woman who will be publicly be taking the line offered by Lloyd on Monday. They know the consequences of what the ripping up of contracts and an alliance with the CFMEU will mean to Victoria.
Packer is one of Australia’s most astute businessmen. He is an internationalist, with a knowledge of world affairs second to none.
Not to mention his network of contacts. He and the CEO of the ANZ bank, Mike Smith, have long been strong advocates of building Australia’s relationship with Asia, and China in particular.
Rupert Murdoch has created an international business, James is doing the same. Name any other Australian doing likewise. The ANZ and maybe the team at CSL, but few others.
James has said he does not intend to get involved in this or any election. I accept that. He has to be able to work with governments of all political persuasions.
Colour? Well, it’s been delivered in the first week of the campaign. But we must consider the things that matter in this campaign. Vision, teams, policies.
Have a good day and into week two.
JEFF KENNETT IS A FORMER PREMIER OF VICTORIA.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...uch-colour-lloyd/story-fni0ffsx-1227112676502
APOLOGIES to the readers of my column who are not interested in politics, but the decisions of politicians affect all our lives.
For that reason alone we should all evaluate the policies of the two major parties. Hopefully either the Coalition or the Labor Party will gain sufficient support to govern in their own right. The last thing the State and its voters need is a minority government in which independents or small parties frustrate the will of the party with the majority of our support.
Three factors will contribute to how many of the state’s voters assess performances over the next four weeks. Personalities, policies and colour. Personality is in the main the assessment of how the two leaders Denis Napthine and Daniel Andrews, perform.
Policies, of course, are the offerings that entice us to support one party or the other. Colour, is those issues and moments that are often unexpected, can be embarrassing or uplifting but provide us with light relief from the toil of the campaign.
On Wednesday November 26, I will, on these pages, give you my honest assessment of the election campaign based on five criteria.
The party with the best vision for the state, the party with the best team to manage it, the party with the best commitment to promote a harmonious community, the party with the best commitment to maintaining our cultural heart and the party with the best policies for economic growth.
Labor was first out of the box with their campaign launch at Geelong. Daniel Andrews focused on education. Not a bad idea given that education affects us all. We are all interested and concerned by the quality of education for our young.
The Liberals will be launching their campaign this Sunday in Ballarat, so we can expect to get some idea of their major emphasis for the campaign then.
The only colour this week came from my friend Lloyd Williams, who last Monday at his horse stud at Mount Macedon, with his arm around the shoulders of Daniel Andrews declared “I am on the executive of the Packer estate and James is going to kick every goal he can for you”.
Were you surprised at that display of affection, that colour? I was. Because James Packer works with all elected governments.
He does not involve himself in supporting one side or the other, as he indicated through a statement on Tuesday.
So much of what the Williams and Packer families have built here in a Victoria happened under Conservative governments. Mine, in the main. It was built with Lloyd’s creativity and to date his and James’s money.
I had to wear a lot of political flack when the casino contract was independently awarded to Lloyd’s company Hudson Conway and have from some ever since. But that did not nor does disturb me as I believed in the project and what it would do for Victoria, in particular employment. I still do.
I stood by the concept and contracts, advocated the advantages of the Crown complex and backed the people behind the development. The Crown complex remains an ever-changing offering of immeasurable quality.
THAT belief has been well justified. And James Packer has spent another $1bn renovating what Lloyd built. They have delivered Victoria an asset of which we can all be proud.
But politics is more than just one building or complex. What surprised me most about Lloyd’s endorsement of Daniel Andrews, apart from the fact that he allowed any politician, let alone a team of media on to his territory, is I don’t believe he or his long-term friends Kerry and James Packer would ever endorse and support a politician who threatens to rip up legally binding contracts.
It is a recipe that would threaten any new investment in the state, destroy public confidence and destroy existing jobs while preventing new ones being created.
Neither do I believe any of the above would support a politician who refuses to refute or distance themselves from the thuggery that is the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union, CFMEU. Such refusal to put the public interest first can only suggest that Daniel Andrews if elected to govern the State will allow the CFMEU to unduly influence his actions. The result will again be union supremacy in Victoria and a further reduction in investment and confidence.
I do not know of any senior businessman and woman who will be publicly be taking the line offered by Lloyd on Monday. They know the consequences of what the ripping up of contracts and an alliance with the CFMEU will mean to Victoria.
Packer is one of Australia’s most astute businessmen. He is an internationalist, with a knowledge of world affairs second to none.
Not to mention his network of contacts. He and the CEO of the ANZ bank, Mike Smith, have long been strong advocates of building Australia’s relationship with Asia, and China in particular.
Rupert Murdoch has created an international business, James is doing the same. Name any other Australian doing likewise. The ANZ and maybe the team at CSL, but few others.
James has said he does not intend to get involved in this or any election. I accept that. He has to be able to work with governments of all political persuasions.
Colour? Well, it’s been delivered in the first week of the campaign. But we must consider the things that matter in this campaign. Vision, teams, policies.
Have a good day and into week two.
JEFF KENNETT IS A FORMER PREMIER OF VICTORIA.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...uch-colour-lloyd/story-fni0ffsx-1227112676502
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Herald Sun Election Matchmaker Quiz
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...icially-launches/story-fnocxssc-1227111410147
My result was Liberal.
To think if Labor wins, we will be run by bikies..
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...icially-launches/story-fnocxssc-1227111410147
My result was Liberal.
To think if Labor wins, we will be run by bikies..
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The brightest thing I can think of about that prospect is the potential for another Underbelly series.
There's an election quiz on the ABC as well.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/vic-election-2014/vote-compass/