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2013 Federal Election: 7 September 2013

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The worm is rubbish, Abbott won, Rudd was just a replay of every other time he opens his mouth, zero credibility.
 
dutchie said:
I am biased.

I thought Abbott won this debate outright.

Neither of them answered some of the questions.

Abbott pulled up Rudd on a number of points, especially the $70 billion and GST lies.

Rudds answer regarding aged care was much better than Abbott's.

Abbott did much better than I thought he would. Quite prime ministerial, indeed.

Rudd looked nervous.
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On the poll results Abbott won 68 to 32%.

Rudd also cheated by having to refer to notes which was against the rules of debate.
 
dutchie said:
I am biased.

I thought Abbott won this debate outright.

Neither of them answered some of the questions.

Abbott pulled up Rudd on a number of points, especially the $70 billion and GST lies.

Rudds answer regarding aged care was much better than Abbott's.

Abbott did much better than I thought he would. Quite prime ministerial, indeed.

Rudd looked nervous.
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I think Rudd expected to have a lot more control over the tempo and direction of the debate.

When he couldn't talk over or control the direction, he panicked slightly.

The debate format definately assisted Abbotts presentation style, he may have been lucky.:xyxthumbs
 
noco said:
Rudd also cheated by having to refer to notes which was against the rules of debate.
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But, is that rule is silly ? :rolleyes:

The Fairfax press asks that question.

7:47pm: Was Mr Rudd reading from notes?

Yes, say people inside the venue.

This is against the rules but maybe the rule is silly.

Notes prevent the speaker from looking at the voter (through the camera) and connecting with the voter is about debates such as these are all about.

This goes to either Mr Rudd's preparedness or his nerves.

Mr Abbott did not use notes. He also looked at Mr Rudd more and tried to engage him whereas Mr Rudd either looked down or at the camera.
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http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...ction-live-august-11-2013-20130811-2rpx1.html

Kevin Rudd has been exposed as a cheat.
 
noco said:
On the poll results Abbott won 68 to 32%.

Rudd also cheated by having to refer to notes which was against the rules of debate.
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Yes channel 72 had Abbott as the clear winner with around 18,000 votes.

Very poor form for Rudd to front up with notes.
 
Kevin Rudd's notes was noticed by the debate moderator, David Speers.

On a controversial note, Mr Rudd was accused of breaching the rules by reading notes.

The debate's moderator, Sky News political editor David Speers, revealed following the debate that Mr Rudd had used the notes and that was not allowed.

According to the rules issued by the National Press Club on Friday, both Mr Abbott and Mr Rudd were prohibited from having the help with their memory.

"The leaders may have a pen and paper on the lectern and no other documentation or props,'' the rules stated.
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...lection-campaign/story-fnho52jo-1226695080195
 
Exactly right sails, they are the rules.

But I suppose if you tell as many lies as he does, he needs them in note form.
How can he remember them ?
 
Tink said:
Exactly right sails, they are the rules.

But I suppose if you tell as many lies as he does, he needs them in note form.
How can he remember them ?
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Yes Tink - we said the same thing here during the debate (not knowing then that notes were not allowed). When someone continually lies it is easy for them to slip up so perhaps he was afraid of being caught out.

I think Rudd was crazy to lie about the GST and the percentages of people resettled in Aus as Abbott quickly corrected him with the facts. IMO, it helped Abbott who had a chuckle at Rudd and then seemed more relaxed and confident.
 
noco said:
On the poll results Abbott won 68 to 32%.

Rudd also cheated by having to refer to notes which was against the rules of debate.
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What poll was that, noco? Could you give us a link to it?

sails said:
I don't know why David Speers didn't pull him up on it...:confused:
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Exactly. Not much point commenting on it after it's all over. He was the facilitator. It was up to him to call Rudd on it at the time, surely?

For me, I got what I expected from Rudd. Glib stuff which will appeal to his devoted audience but I can't see winning over too many who are undecided. I might be quite wrong here.

Tony Abbott: I was so hoping for some real substance, some genuine feeling, something to persuade me that this is a PM who will advance Australia. I didn't get that. In the first quarter, Mr Abbott seemed nervous, hesitant. He did much better in answering the questions than in making the introductory and final statements imo.

I thought a voter interviewed on News 24 summed it up well. He said "I was looking for heart. I didn't get it from either of them". Agree with him entirely. Australia deserves better.
 
Tink said:
Exactly right sails, they are the rules.

But I suppose if you tell as many lies as he does, he needs them in note form.
How can he remember them ?
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To be a good liar you must have a good memory so hence the reason Rudd had to have notes.;);)

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noco said:
On the poll results Abbott won 68 to 32%.

Rudd also cheated by having to refer to notes which was against the rules of debate.
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Julia, I noted the 68 to 32 % on Austar 601 while they were analysing the debate.
 
Julia said:
What poll was that, noco? Could you give us a link to it?


Exactly. Not much point commenting on it after it's all over. He was the facilitator. It was up to him to call Rudd on it at the time, surely?

For me, I got what I expected from Rudd. Glib stuff which will appeal to his devoted audience but I can't see winning over too many who are undecided. I might be quite wrong here.

Tony Abbott: I was so hoping for some real substance, some genuine feeling, something to persuade me that this is a PM who will advance Australia. I didn't get that. In the first quarter, Mr Abbott seemed nervous, hesitant. He did much better in answering the questions than in making the introductory and final statements imo.

I thought a voter interviewed on News 24 summed it up well. He said "I was looking for heart. I didn't get it from either of them". Agree with him entirely. Australia deserves better.
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What we need is to get Pauline Hansen up there, she will give you some heart and passion.
But as was shown last time she ran, nobody really wants heart and passion, they just want to talk about it.
 
sptrawler said:
Well Abbott must have done o.k.
So-Cynical and IFocus are talking about Tony, and not talking up Rudd.:D
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Abbott will be PM and all the pain that comes with it................for any one who doesn't have a political voice in Canberra.
 
sails said:
I don't know why David Speers didn't pull him up on it...:confused:
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Perhaps he didn't want to be in any way held responsible for deciding the election outcome then and there.

EDIT:

David Speers claims he didn't notice the notes during the debate itself.

But Speers said he had not noticed during the showdown as he was focusing on his own job moderating and asking questions.
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In the same article I also note,

Footage of Mr Rudd shows he was holding a pile of papers and he appeared to repeatedly reference them while talking.
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Perhaps all this explains his initial nervousness.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sp...es-during-debate/story-fnho52jj-1226695152852
 
IFocus said:
Abbott will be PM and all the pain that comes with it................for any one who doesn't have a political voice in Canberra.
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Agree. But you and I are old enough to know, the longer you leave the pain, the more severe it is.
 
drsmith said:
Perhaps he didn't want to be in any way held responsible for deciding the election outcome then and there.

EDIT:

David Speers claims he didn't notice the notes during the debate itself.



In the same article I also note,



Perhaps all this explains his initial nervousness.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sp...es-during-debate/story-fnho52jj-1226695152852
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David Speers would have been concentrating on his own performance and, to be fair, he may not have actually seen the notes from where he was standing. It was easy for us viewers to see Rudd's head bobbing up and down and it was most pronounced in his closing summary, IMO.

Apparently both leaders have to agree to the rules prior to the debate so it seems pretty foolish of Rudd to break that agreement when he's waffling about trust.
 
Agree sails.

Leaders go head-to-head in first debate
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd stood up for his party's record in government, saying Australia had weathered the global financial crisis better than almost any other nation, and that his party was better prepared to lead the nation during the end of the mining boom.

Mr Abbott pledged his party would provide stable government and get the budget under control after six years of Labor's 'waste and mismanagement', and leadership chaos.

Over 24,000 Australians used the exclusive 7News Viewer Vote during the debate - and overwhelmingly judged Mr Abbott the winner.

Immediately following the debate, 72% of respondents said Mr Abbott would be the nation's next Prime Minister.

Making his closing remarks, Mr Abbott said there are no limits on what Australians can achieve.

The Opposition Leader pledged to build a stronger economy, scrap carbon tax, balance the budget, build roads and stop the boats.
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/article/18453916/leaders-debate-election-2013/
 

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