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2013 Federal Election: 7 September 2013

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Julia said:
Chris Bowen Sad to say this because when he had the Immigration p/f I saw him as a decent person hampered by the restrictions of his role. Since he has become Treasurer, however, he has much more freedom to express what he really believes, and has shown himself to be yet another tedious mouthpiece for the government.
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Chris Bowen on Insiders this morning, with the connivance of Barrie Cassidy, gave one of the most boring, repetitious, negative and duplicitous interviews I have heard for a long time.:bad:
 
Anyone wanting to use the worm in the debate tonight can do so by downloading Roy Morgan Reactor from either Apple or Android app stores - and it's free.

It's easy to do and pretty cool we can now participate from home instead of this being limited to the studio audience...:)
 
Really disappointing to see that the Coalition has committed to returning the budget to surplus in its first term "if the figures from Treasury are correct'. Surely, given the relatively poor condition of the economy, rising unemployment etc, this is unnecessary, leaves them open to a charge of failure, or if it actually is achieved, probably necessitating such vicious cuts that recession will be a real possibility, not to mention loss of confidence in the electorate.

Or can they actually make cuts to spending which will not have this result?
 
This will be Rudd's mantra tonite in regard to the LNP costings.

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Rudd, "I demand to know your costings, even though I have not released mine and even though you don't have a clue on how we have screwed up the current budget position!!!!!"
 
Julia said:
Really disappointing to see that the Coalition has committed to returning the budget to surplus in its first term "if the figures from Treasury are correct'. Surely, given the relatively poor condition of the economy, rising unemployment etc, this is unnecessary, leaves them open to a charge of failure, or if it actually is achieved, probably necessitating such vicious cuts that recession will be a real possibility, not to mention loss of confidence in the electorate.

Or can they actually make cuts to spending which will not have this result?
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I am of the opinion that Abbott's committment to lowering company tax to 28.5%, the removal of the Carbon and mining tax together with many red and green tape regulations, he will give a boost to business confidence which will encourage investment in new projects resulting in a reduction of unemployment which in turn will increase revenue in personal and company tax.

His policy makes a lot of sense but as you say he may well have a battle on his hands to return to surplus in the designated time frame.

I would like to see Abbott scrap his "DIRECT ACTION PLAN" on green house emmissions and defer his paid parental scheme until the economy picks up. In the meantime Abbott should utilize the existing paid parental scheme put in place by Labor.
 
noco said:
I would like to see Abbott scrap his "DIRECT ACTION PLAN" on green house emmissions and defer his paid parental scheme until the economy picks up. In the meantime Abbott should utilize the existing paid parental scheme put in place by Labor.
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Agree.
 
Julia said:
Really disappointing to see that the Coalition has committed to returning the budget to surplus in its first term "if the figures from Treasury are correct'. Surely, given the relatively poor condition of the economy, rising unemployment etc, this is unnecessary, leaves them open to a charge of failure, or if it actually is achieved, probably necessitating such vicious cuts that recession will be a real possibility, not to mention loss of confidence in the electorate.

Or can they actually make cuts to spending which will not have this result?
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Chris Pyne says budget surpluses are easy. He's stated that the Coalition would have run surpluses right through the GFC. Last year he said "Well if there had been a Coalition government for the last five years, Kieran, I think most people accept that we would have had continuing surpluses."

Cut back benefits to anyone from the 4th income decile up and use the funds saved to invest in the infrastructure this country needs. Will help the budget in the short term by minimising the rise in unemployment, and over the long term should improve the NAIRU of the economy by increasing productivity, while allowing lower interest rates for the same level of economic growth.

it ain't rocket science, just requires a lot of fortitude to go up against the MSM and the shrieking vested interests that "lose" out to the change in priorities.

I also don't think Abbott has any idea of what a ToT down trend does to Govt revenue. Then again neither does treasury. All the current forecast are far too positive, unless the USA really does start firing on all cylinders and drag world growth along with it (similar odds to Australia's top order scoring some runs)
 
Well I don't know about you, but I thought Abbott did better, than I expected.

I thought Rudd was just slipping into panic mode occasionally.

Just my thoughts, may be biased, but Rudd looked flustered.
 
Julia said:
Really disappointing to see that the Coalition has committed to returning the budget to surplus in its first term "if the figures from Treasury are correct'. Surely, given the relatively poor condition of the economy, rising unemployment etc, this is unnecessary, leaves them open to a charge of failure, or if it actually is achieved, probably necessitating such vicious cuts that recession will be a real possibility, not to mention loss of confidence in the electorate.

Or can they actually make cuts to spending which will not have this result?
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Abbott says he has $17 bil of savings worked out which he has spent in pet give a ways treasury says there is a short fall of $30 bil in revenue beyond reason the Coalition can return to surplus.
 
Not much of a debate, just slogans from both sides, Tony must of said 'stop the boats' 3 or 4 times...amazing how close they are on policy.
 
sptrawler said:
Well I don't know about you, but I thought Abbott did better, than I expected.

I thought Rudd was just slipping into panic mode occasionally.

Just my thoughts, may be biased, but Rudd looked flustered.
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It's all over. Rudd is finished. Abbott did him off a break even though neither of them answered the questions. Rudd was using notes even though this was against the rules. Rudd's bottom lip was trembling in anger and frustration. I wonder who he will take it out on tonight?
 
So_Cynical said:
Not much of a debate, just slogans from both sides, Tony must of said 'stop the boats' 3 or 4 times...amazing how close they are on policy.
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Not another me too election:cry:
I didn't watch the debate, did they mention anything on small business or was it just one long election ad from either side?
 
Yes, I thought Abbott did well too.
He seemed alot more relaxed than Rudd, and definitely pulled him up on a few of his lies - making sure people realised that he was a part of the government for all the six years so its not a new way.
He delivered his speeches well

Bring it home, Tony :D
 
The result of the worm says Rudd won at 59% to Abbott 41%

As a Green, and therefore impartial, it was clear to me that Rudd won hands down.

So stand by my prediction of a month ago:

ALP 55% , LIB/C/P two party preferred 45%
 
Well Abbott must have done o.k.
So-Cynical and IFocus are talking about Tony, and not talking up Rudd.:D
 
so they promised on 'no notes' and surprise surprise, Rudd takes notes during the debate. What a slimy arrogant person.

There is no way Rudd won that

Rudd now trying to take the moral high ground and promise gay marriage within 100 days. He gets more desperate as the days go by
 
explod said:
The result of the worm says Rudd won at 59% to Abbott 41%

As a Green, and therefore impartial, it was clear to me that Rudd won hands down.

So stand by my prediction of a month ago:

ALP 55% , LIB/C/P two party preferred 45%
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Well you should get yourself down to the TAB and make a killing.:xyxthumbs lol
 
I am biased.

I thought Abbott won this debate outright.

Neither of them answered some of the questions.

Abbott pulled up Rudd on a number of points, especially the $70 billion and GST lies.

Rudds answer regarding aged care was much better than Abbott's.

Abbott did much better than I thought he would. Quite prime ministerial, indeed.

Rudd looked nervous.
 

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