Guns

[moXJO]

There is a push to start banning guns altogether by a section of the left. And this is what is causing a push back.

The NRA did not doctor photos. It was done by a small section of the "alt-right" who apparently are the new nazis. But everyone is a nazi now.

Bas you are reaching for sensationalist crap to drive an agenda when it isn't needed. No one here reached out and posted doctored photos.

Rightly, or wrongly, the NRA is defending freedoms it believes is every Americans right. When the government starts encroaching on those freedom's then their will always be a backlash.

 

[SirRumpole]

Rightly, or wrongly, the NRA is defending freedoms it believes is every Americans right.

No they are like politicians defending their donors, the gun manufacturers.

 

[Value Collector]

Rightly, or wrongly, the NRA is defending freedoms it believes is every Americans right. When the government starts encroaching on those freedom's then their will always be a backlash.

As did the slave owners and traders.

Times change, society changes so can laws.

 

[moXJO]

As did the slave owners and traders.

Times change, society changes so can laws.

That is possibly the dumbest stretch I have read.
I am not aware of a written constitutional right to own a slave.
Individual freedom has nothing to do with slave owning. Or restricting the rights of others.

 

[basilio]

I am not aware of a written constitutional right to own a slave.
Individual freedom has nothing to do with slave owning. Or restricting the rights of others.

Perhaps worth refreshing your history/politics knowledge here Mojo.

The slave trade in the UK and US was worth milllions of pounds. The value of these slaves as property was incredibly high. The traders and owners took an exceptionally dim view to anyone interfering with their property rights.
http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_45.html

 

[Value Collector]

That is possibly the dumbest stretch I have read.
I am not aware of a written constitutional right to own a slave.
Individual freedom has nothing to do with slave owning. Or restricting the rights of others.

Are you saying that American's in the 1700's and the early 1800's didn't have the right to own slaves?

and the when those rights were threatened the slave owners didn't protest?

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In fact the American guns laws were partly put in place to allow the slave patrols to be armed.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/second-amendment-ratified-preserve-slavery/

 

[basilio]

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In fact the American guns laws were partly put in place to allow the slave patrols to be armed.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/second-amendment-ratified-preserve-slavery/

That is very illuminating.

 

[Macquack]

That is possibly the dumbest stretch I have read.
I am not aware of a written constitutional right to own a slave.
Individual freedom has nothing to do with slave owning. Or restricting the rights of others.

MoXJO, are you a gun owner?

 

[moXJO]

Are you saying that American's in the 1700's and the early 1800's didn't have the right to own slaves?

and the when those rights were threatened the slave owners didn't protest?

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In fact the American guns laws were partly put in place to allow the slave patrols to be armed.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/second-amendment-ratified-preserve-slavery/

This is bs. Fact check it first.

 

[luutzu]

Destroying teenagers who are demanding gun reform.
No surprises here.

How rightwingers have attacked Parkland students with lies, hoaxes and smears
As of this weekend, this group of idealistic young people have officially become the right’s leading hate figures

Jason Wilson

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Mon 26 Mar 2018 15.54 EDT Last modified on Tue 27 Mar 2018 13.58 EDT


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Emma Gonzalez, a shooting survivor from Parkland, Florida, cries as she addresses the ‘March for Our Lives’. Photograph: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
No issue unites the American right more than their opposition to gun control. The spectacle of hundreds of thousands participating in the #marchforourlives, led by young people, was always going to draw a full-spectrum response.

And as of this weekend, this group of idealistic young people have officially become the right’s leading hate figures.

The first and most repugnant strategy was to directly attack high-profile campaigners, especially students David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez.

Running short of reasoned arguments, many attempted to push conservative buttons with high impact visuals. Alt-right social media company Gab was one of many that disseminated a doctored animation of Gonzalez in which she falsely appeared to be tearing up the US constitution. Cartoonist and Trump sycophant Ben Garrison depicted Hogg as an assault rifle, wielded by CNN, and loaded with Marxism. Breitbart re-published a round of tweets accusing Hogg of throwing a Nazi salute.

On Front Page – an outlet led by David Horowitz, whose main stock in trade is virulent Islamophobia – Bruce Thornton decried Hogg’s “profanity laced tantrums” and reduced him and his fellow students to political “shock troops” being manipulated by a progressive “ideology of melodrama and moral exhibitionism”.

Alex Jones thought it wise to continue his dispute with Hogg over whether chemical additives in water really turn frogs gay. The website WND simply called him “Vile Hogg”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...d-hogg-attacks-rightwing-constitutions-hoaxes

And this...

Rick Santorum: Students should learn CPR, not rally for "phony gun laws"

These politicians should be worried. This might lead to a new generation of hippies and do-gooders wanting airy fairy stuff like not get shot at school, or on the streets, or by cops.

 

[moXJO]

Perhaps worth refreshing your history/politics knowledge here Mojo.

The slave trade in the UK and US was worth milllions of pounds. The value of these slaves as property was incredibly high. The traders and owners took an exceptionally dim view to anyone interfering with their property rights.
http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_45.html

I didn't say slavery didn't exist ffs.

But at no point was it in the Constitution about owning slaves. Trying to stretch it over to slavery is ridiculous.
The Republicans were the ones to abolish slavery by the way.

MoXJO, are you a gun owner?

No. I don't subscribe to "boars and babes" either.

 

[luutzu]

I didn't say slavery didn't exist ffs.

But at no point was it in the Constitution about owning slaves. Trying to stretch it over to slavery is ridiculous.
The Republicans were the ones to abolish slavery by the way.


No. I don't subscribe to "boars and babes" either.

Slavery weren't abolished. It was socialised. No, not the good (red) kind

Serious. "Freed" slaves were soon imprisoned for loitering or looking at a White lady funny (or not at all)...

Then the state/taxpayers pay for their imprisonment, feed and housed them... and put them out to work again for next to nothing.

Still happening right now in the US. Prisoners in some state get paid $1 a day or something to go out and do work.

 

[CanOz]

There is no question that the NRA is not dealing with (in a manner to debate at least, the reduction of easy gun purchases) a reality of excessive gun related deaths!

The NRA is a lobby group that has ONE SINGLE OBJECTIVE - the purchase of more guns, regardless of whatever mis-course of normal democratic channels this may involve!

Death to the NRA and all lobby groups that operate in such an extreme manner so as to attempt the mis course of democratic processes, especially dialogue...and free speech.

CanOz

 

[Tisme]

http://news.ntd.tv/2018/05/17/photo...aduate-carrying-ar-10-on-campus-goes-viral-2/

 

[Value Collector]

Open carry gun laws only work for white people.

If you are white, cop approaches greets you politely, talks to you and then leaves.

If you black they draw their gun and threaten you.

 

[Tisme]

Open carry gun laws only work for white people.

If you are white, cop approaches greets you politely, talks to you and then leaves.

If you black they draw their gun and threaten you.

The over arching problem is the guns in public domains. That and, by USofA race, blacks are sixteen times more likely arrested for robbery, seven times for homicide, etc

 

[Value Collector]

That and, by USofA race, blacks are sixteen times more likely arrested for robbery, seven times for homicide, etc

There is a lot of reasons behind such statistics, as you can see in the footage they are more likely to be arrested in general, even when doing nothing wrong.

Then you have the poverty side of things, which ever group of people are living in poverty they are more likely to be drawn to crime.

Whether that was Irish immigrants in London or Italians in New York, Poverty = crime.

And there is a whole host of studies that show it is much harder in the USA for a Black person to get out of poverty, Racism is very real, if you think its not, you are deluded.

 

[SirRumpole]

The over arching problem is the guns in public domains.

Damn stupid allowing anyone to walk around with a gun.

It's still the Wild West in some places apparently.

 

[Value Collector]

Damn stupid allowing anyone to walk around with a gun.

It's still the Wild West in some places apparently.

Yeah, it pretty much means people like the Las Vegas shooter, haven't committed a crime until they actually start shooting people, they are free to walk into a crowd of people and nothing can be done about it until the shooting starts.

 

[Tisme]

There is a lot of reasons behind such statistics, as you can see in the footage they are more likely to be arrested in general, even when doing nothing wrong.

Then you have the poverty side of things, which ever group of people are living in poverty they are more likely to be drawn to crime.

Whether that was Irish immigrants in London or Italians in New York, Poverty = crime.

And there is a whole host of studies that show it is much harder in the USA for a Black person to get out of poverty, Racism is very real, if you think its not, you are deluded.

So now I'm delusional for posting some facts? That's a long bow to draw.

I was brought up in poverty, I didn't resort to crime to satiate my desire to do well. And I didn't need people studying me, but I could have done with hand which I never got and never expected.