Guns

[basilio]

Some amazing stories coming out of US regarding guns

1) Students across US stage co-ordinated walkout to protest against gun violence. (Note at least one school group was threatened with "severe consequences" if they joined the protest)
'Enough': US students come together in spectacular walkout to end gun violence

• About 3,000 schools across America protest in coordinated riposte
• Students step out of classrooms to spur action for change
• Walkout Wednesday – live updates

Tom McCarthy and Adam Gabbatt in New York, Lois Beckett in Alexandria, Richard Luscombe in Parkland and Jamiles Lartey in Atlanta

Wed 14 Mar 2018 12.39 EDT Last modified on Wed 14 Mar 2018 18.00 EDT


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Students from Fiorello H LaGuardia high school chant ‘no more violence’ on their walkout. Most demonstrations were planned to last 17 minutes, one for each of the Parkland victims. Photograph: Mike Segar/Reuters
Thousands of students poured out of classrooms in the US on Wednesday in an unprecedented expression of mourning and a demand for action to stem the country’s epidemic of gun violence.

In a stunning visual riposte to the public inertia that has followed mass shootings in the US, crowds of students at an estimated 3,000 schools across the country marched on running tracks, through parking lots and around building perimeters, carrying signs that read “Enough” and chanting, “Hey hey, ho ho, gun violence has got to go”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/14/walkout-students-gun-violence-parkland-florida

2) A teacher trained in firearms use accidentally fires a gun in aclassroom injuring 3 students.

Teacher accidentally fires gun and injures three students in safety lesson
Dennis Alexander suspended after pointing a gun at the ceiling in an attempt to make sure it was not loaded, when the weapon discharged

Guardian staff and agencies

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Seaside high school is located near Monterey in northern California. Photograph: SHS
A teacher trained in weapons use has been suspended after accidentally firing his gun in a classroom in California, injuring three students.

Dennis Alexander was teaching a gun safety lesson for his administration of justice class at Seaside high school, near Monterey in northern California, on Tuesday.

The police say the teacher, who also serves as a reserve police officer, was pointing the gun at the ceiling in an attempt to make sure it was not loaded, when the weapon discharged.

Three students were injured by debris, including a 17-year-old whose father told local TV station KSBW that his son was hurt when bullet fragments lodged in his neck.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...fety-lesson-fires-injures-students-california

 

[SirRumpole]

Good on the kids. I hope someone listens to them.

 

[basilio]

The kids have balls. After the NRA decided to go ballistic on all the lying Press challenging the NRA views on gun control there was a powerful response.

We have our own hourglass': Florida shooting survivor responds to NRA threats

Students from the Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school have responded to the NRA's threats targeting critics of the gun lobby.

Updated Updated 7 March
By Natasha Christian

Parkland students behind the #NeverAgain movement, created by survivors in the aftermath of the Stoneman Douglas Shooting have responded to NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch’s threats aimed at critics of the gun lobby.

The February 14 shooting left 17 dead and sparked strong criticism of the NRA and calls for tougher gun control in the US.

In a video for NRATV Ms Loesch fired off a warning to journalists, politicians and celebrities who had spoken out against the NRA in the shooting aftermath.

“To every lying member of the media, to every Hollywood phony, to the role model athletes who use their free speech to alter and undermine what our flag represents. To the politicians who would rather watch America burn than lose one ounce of their personal power," she said.

“We’ve had enough of the lies, the sanctimony, the arrogance, the hatred, the pettiness, the fake news”.

Ms Loesch then flipped an hourglass and warned: “time’s up”.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/we-have...ida-shooting-survivor-responds-to-nra-threats

 

[moXJO]

Kids can't vote. Who cares.

See you after the next massacre.

Regards
NRA

 

[basilio]

Kids can't vote. Who cares.

See you after the next massacre.

Regards
NRA

And when do 17 year olds get a vote in the US ? (Hint very, very soon.)

 

[moXJO]

And when do 17 year olds get a vote in the US ? (Hint very, very soon.)

See if there is any changes. I ain't holding my breath. But trump is anti guns, so who knows what will happen.
He will be going against his base supporters though.

 

[CanOz]

At the end of the day the US is the most legitimately corrupt nation on the planet, the Dems and the Rebloods both are powerless to stop the NRA and similar lobby groups....that is true evil, to steal away freedom and democracy from the nation that led it in the first place....

 

[luutzu]

See if there is any changes. I ain't holding my breath. But trump is anti guns, so who knows what will happen.
He will be going against his base supporters though.

Which base? The one that supported and voted for him OR the one that own whoever is in the hot seat?

He seem serious about that stupid wall though. Great use of about $20Billion, give or take $10B. It's not like there aren't any city in the US with lead in the water; schools falling to bits; roads and bridges collapsing.

 

[BlownAccount]

At the end of the day the US is the most legitimately corrupt nation on the planet, the Dems and the Rebloods both are powerless to stop the NRA and similar lobby groups....that is true evil, to steal away freedom and democracy from the nation that led it in the first place....

Geeze....

 

[CanOz]

That’s the thing that bothers me the most about the NRA, it is more powerful than democracy...

 

[SirRumpole]

Gun reform gains momentum in the US.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-...cross-us-to-urge-tighter-gun-controls/9584438

 

[bellenuit]

I came across this today on Twitter.

 

[basilio]

Destroying teenagers who are demanding gun reform.
No surprises here.

How rightwingers have attacked Parkland students with lies, hoaxes and smears
As of this weekend, this group of idealistic young people have officially become the right’s leading hate figures

Jason Wilson

@jason_a_w
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Emma Gonzalez, a shooting survivor from Parkland, Florida, cries as she addresses the ‘March for Our Lives’. Photograph: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
No issue unites the American right more than their opposition to gun control. The spectacle of hundreds of thousands participating in the #marchforourlives, led by young people, was always going to draw a full-spectrum response.

And as of this weekend, this group of idealistic young people have officially become the right’s leading hate figures.

The first and most repugnant strategy was to directly attack high-profile campaigners, especially students David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez.

Running short of reasoned arguments, many attempted to push conservative buttons with high impact visuals. Alt-right social media company Gab was one of many that disseminated a doctored animation of Gonzalez in which she falsely appeared to be tearing up the US constitution. Cartoonist and Trump sycophant Ben Garrison depicted Hogg as an assault rifle, wielded by CNN, and loaded with Marxism. Breitbart re-published a round of tweets accusing Hogg of throwing a Nazi salute.

On Front Page – an outlet led by David Horowitz, whose main stock in trade is virulent Islamophobia – Bruce Thornton decried Hogg’s “profanity laced tantrums” and reduced him and his fellow students to political “shock troops” being manipulated by a progressive “ideology of melodrama and moral exhibitionism”.

Alex Jones thought it wise to continue his dispute with Hogg over whether chemical additives in water really turn frogs gay. The website WND simply called him “Vile Hogg”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...d-hogg-attacks-rightwing-constitutions-hoaxes

 

[Joules MM1]

Reuters Top News‏Verified account @Reuters 7h7 hours ago




Ex-Supreme Court justice urges Second Amendment repeal in U.S. gun rights debate https://reut.rs/2I5DaBB
"...In his article, Stevens described how the Supreme Court had curbed the Second Amendment’s reach during the 20th century and labeled the concern that prompted the amendment - that a national army might pose a threat to the separate states during the United States’ infant years - “a relic of the 18th century.”

The amendment’s text reads: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Stevens wrote that repealing the amendment “would eliminate the only legal rule that protects sellers of firearms in the United States — unlike every other market in the world.”

“It would make our schoolchildren safer than they have been since 2008 and honor the memories of the many, indeed far too many, victims of recent gun violence.”

Stevens, nominated to the court by Republican President Gerald Ford, had previously called for modifying the Second Amendment.

Changes to the Constitution can be proposed only with a two-thirds vote in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called by two-thirds of the states, and must be ratified by three-fourths of the 50 states.

The overwhelming majority of amendments have not passed, and only one has been repealed. The 27th Amendment, which concerns lawmakers’ pay, is the most recent change to the constitution. It was ratified in 1992, although it was originally proposed in 1789."

(only 203 years!)

 

[moXJO]

Destroying teenagers who are demanding gun reform.
No surprises here.

How rightwingers have attacked Parkland students with lies, hoaxes and smears
As of this weekend, this group of idealistic young people have officially become the right’s leading hate figures

Jason Wilson

@jason_a_w
Mon 26 Mar 2018 15.54 EDT Last modified on Tue 27 Mar 2018 13.58 EDT


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Emma Gonzalez, a shooting survivor from Parkland, Florida, cries as she addresses the ‘March for Our Lives’. Photograph: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
No issue unites the American right more than their opposition to gun control. The spectacle of hundreds of thousands participating in the #marchforourlives, led by young people, was always going to draw a full-spectrum response.

And as of this weekend, this group of idealistic young people have officially become the right’s leading hate figures.

The first and most repugnant strategy was to directly attack high-profile campaigners, especially students David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez.

Running short of reasoned arguments, many attempted to push conservative buttons with high impact visuals. Alt-right social media company Gab was one of many that disseminated a doctored animation of Gonzalez in which she falsely appeared to be tearing up the US constitution. Cartoonist and Trump sycophant Ben Garrison depicted Hogg as an assault rifle, wielded by CNN, and loaded with Marxism. Breitbart re-published a round of tweets accusing Hogg of throwing a Nazi salute.

On Front Page – an outlet led by David Horowitz, whose main stock in trade is virulent Islamophobia – Bruce Thornton decried Hogg’s “profanity laced tantrums” and reduced him and his fellow students to political “shock troops” being manipulated by a progressive “ideology of melodrama and moral exhibitionism”.

Alex Jones thought it wise to continue his dispute with Hogg over whether chemical additives in water really turn frogs gay. The website WND simply called him “Vile Hogg”.
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Destroying teenagers who are demanding gun reform.
No surprises here.

How rightwingers have attacked Parkland students with lies, hoaxes and smears
As of this weekend, this group of idealistic young people have officially become the right’s leading hate figures

[URL='https://www.theguardian.com/profile/wilson-jason']Jason Wilson

@jason_a_w
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Emma Gonzalez, a shooting survivor from Parkland, Florida, cries as she addresses the ‘March for Our Lives’. Photograph: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
No issue unites the American right more than their opposition to gun control. The spectacle of hundreds of thousands participating in the #marchforourlives, led by young people, was always going to draw a full-spectrum response.

And as of this weekend, this group of idealistic young people have officially become the right’s leading hate figures.

The first and most repugnant strategy was to directly attack high-profile campaigners, especially students David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez.

Running short of reasoned arguments, many attempted to push conservative buttons with high impact visuals. Alt-right social media company Gab was one of many that disseminated a doctored animation of Gonzalez in which she falsely appeared to be tearing up the US constitution. Cartoonist and Trump sycophant Ben Garrison depicted Hogg as an assault rifle, wielded by CNN, and loaded with Marxism. Breitbart re-published a round of tweets accusing Hogg of throwing a Nazi salute.

On Front Page – an outlet led by David Horowitz, whose main stock in trade is virulent Islamophobia – Bruce Thornton decried Hogg’s “profanity laced tantrums” and reduced him and his fellow students to political “shock troops” being manipulated by a progressive “ideology of melodrama and moral exhibitionism”.

Alex Jones thought it wise to continue his dispute with Hogg over whether chemical additives in water really turn frogs gay. The website WND simply called him “Vile Hogg”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...d-hogg-attacks-rightwing-constitutions-hoaxes

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Leftist trash.

 

[basilio]

Leftist trash.

Rightist lies.

Are you saying these pieces of shite websites didn't make up fake smears of the student leaders of the gun reform march Moxjo? That in fact their lies are true ?

Or are you just saying that because they are called out for such calumnious shite it's automatically "leftist trash"?

 

[SirRumpole]

Interesting...


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-28/america-oldest-gunmaker-remington-files-for-bankruptcy/9595622

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[moXJO]

Rightist lies.

Are you saying these pieces of shite websites didn't make up fake smears of the student leaders of the gun reform march Moxjo? That in fact their lies are true ?

Or are you just saying that because they are called out for such calumnious shite it's automatically "leftist trash"?

I'm saying it's a proactive article designed to inflame an already tinder dry situation. It's hate either side. And you are either, losing yourself in the sh1tstorm, or willingly to smear everyone on the right.

When you are standing up asking everyone to give up their rights as written in their constitution, then its probably a good idea not to throw in with the dumbsh1ts that have already cemented their position with meme hate.

Americans love their freedom and will defend it to the death. And right now the left and right hate one another. Goodluck finding common ground.

There are millions of Americans willing to fight rather than give up their guns.
The narrative needs to focus on whats achievable and tighten up background checks on guns and make it harder for those suffering mental problems.

This idiot idea that all guns will be banned is a pipe dream.

 

[CanOz]

Actually the laws in the US would most likely already be tight enough to make a difference. However, the NRA makes it almost impossible to enforce the laws....

Ban the NRA!

 

[basilio]

The narrative needs to focus on whats achievable and tighten up background checks on guns and make it harder for those suffering mental problems.

Agree. In fact that is what the students are trying to achieve. Check out the the reference below.

But who started this xhitstorm Moxjo ? The students are focusing on tightening up background checks, raising the legal age to buy weapons from 18 to 21! and better checks on the mental health of people who buy guns. That's it.

Until their 19 year ex schoolmate came into their school and hunted and killed their friends they were just ordinary nobodies. Now because they have decided to literally "March for their Lives" the right, alt right and far right media has depicted them as Nazis, marxists, stools, phonies and made up a score of other vitriolitic xshit. They never, ever looking at the issues of out of control gun ownership as a major contributing cause of the massacres that occur like clockwork.

And then someone decides to defend these teenagers by pointing out this xshit - and this is seen as leftist trash inflaming the situation! Give us a break.

March for Our Lives
"
March for Our Lives was a student-led demonstration in support of tighter gun control that took place on March 24, 2018, in Washington, D.C., with over 800 sibling events throughout the United States and around the world.[3][4][5][6][7] Student organizers from Never Again MSD planned the march in collaboration with the nonprofit organization Everytown for Gun Safety.[8] The event followed the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, which was described by many media outlets as a possible tipping point for gun control legislation.[9][10][11]

Protesters urged for universal background checks on all gun sales, raising the federal age of gun ownership and possession to the age of 21,[12] closing of the gun show loophole, a restoration of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, and a ban on the sale of high-capacity magazines in the United States.[13] Turnout was estimated to be between 1.2 to 2 million people in the United States,[14][15][16] making it one of the largest protests in American history.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Our_Lives

Response from some media to the marchers.

https://twitter.com/getongab
What actually happened https://www.buzzfeed.com/talalansar...vivor?bftwnews&utm_term=.ijkWv9EVZ#.xk1zdgPlO
https://grrrgraphics.com/assault-weapon/
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269703/teenagers-make-great-progressive-shock-troops-bruce-thornton