Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

[POMMIE-POSSUM]

G'day. A newbie here, and a Pom to boot.
I married one of your lot a few years back, albeit in UK.
I'm delighted that ssm will be legislated for by crimbo.

 

[PZ99]

Funny

 

[Tisme]

Funny

Not his best and he probably shouldn't have shifted into promotion of agendas rather than lampooning them

 

[PZ99]

That's the beauty of free speech - there's always another way to skin a cat.

Anyone can do it - some just do it better than others

 

[code12]

Well you should consider it because the kids of tomorrow can't speak for themselves in a plebiscite but you and I can.

A lot of comment and speculation here about SSM. Most of it uneducated and with no experience in life as a gay person. I grew up in a 'normal' household with a Mother and Father and 2 sisters. I was not sexually abused or deprived of motherly or fatherly love or had any other environmental factors that might turn me gay or queer. Nope I was born this way and in the 60s and 70s it was hell to know you were different and somehow you were supposed to fit in. I came out in Sydney in the early 80's .Yup gay Mardi Gras, lots of parties, clubs and being out and proud.Hey it was the 80's! I loved Australia and still do my Mother was born in this beautiful country. Eventually it was time for me to go home and settle down. So I did and I fell in love with an amazing person who had 2 kids under 4. This person was already divorced. We loved each other like crazy and it was a big commitment for me to take on co-parenting those 2 cute kids. But I did. The other biological parent of the kids was not always very present in the kids life because of their own 'stuff'. Both of our families Mothers and Fathers, sisters, cousins, nephews, nieces and friends embraced us and our relationship and the kids fully. Lots of love, lots of fun and often I was the the parent that had all the nephews and nieces over for the holidays as well as the neighbourhood kids while my partner worked and studied. Over a decade went by and we separated. The kids were teenagers and it was tough for them. We talked to them about it all saying it wasn't their fault etc. All the usual balanced communication and quota of tears that has to go with separation.
They got over it and we still stay in touch - my partner moved on with another person, so did I. Me and my lovely partner got married in 2016 here in my home country of NZ. I see the 2 kids I helped co parent when I can and there is great love between us. One is married and the other has a long term partner. They are both in heterosexual relationships. Not that it matters. As long as they are happy. I'm the only one in my family that I know of that is gay. It is a complete non issue in my family. My partner has 1 gay sibling and at least 2 gay cousins. One is married in the UK. My lovely partner and I are not going to have our own kids adopted or otherwise. We talked about it a lot and made a decision based on our life and what we wanted to do work wise etc. If we did want kids, nothing would stop us. Whether we were in a country that said yes or no to SSM. I know that those kids would be loved so much and parented to the best of our ability given our life experience and boy have we had plenty! What's the point of this comment I make you might ask. If you have to ask you then you have missed the point. Stand up Australia and let go of the fear.

 

[tech/a]

Code12
Are you female.

 

[Tisme]

A lot of comment and speculation here about SSM. Most of it uneducated and with no experience in life as a gay person. I grew up in a 'normal' household with a Mother and Father and 2 sisters. I was not sexually abused or deprived of motherly or fatherly love or had any other environmental factors that might turn me gay or queer. Nope I was born this way and in the 60s and 70s it was hell to know you were different and somehow you were supposed to fit in. I came out in Sydney in the early 80's .Yup gay Mardi Gras, lots of parties, clubs and being out and proud.Hey it was the 80's! I loved Australia and still do my Mother was born in this beautiful country. Eventually it was time for me to go home and settle down. So I did and I fell in love with an amazing person who had 2 kids under 4. This person was already divorced. We loved each other like crazy and it was a big commitment for me to take on co-parenting those 2 cute kids. But I did. The other biological parent of the kids was not always very present in the kids life because of their own 'stuff'. Both of our families Mothers and Fathers, sisters, cousins, nephews, nieces and friends embraced us and our relationship and the kids fully. Lots of love, lots of fun and often I was the the parent that had all the nephews and nieces over for the holidays as well as the neighbourhood kids while my partner worked and studied. Over a decade went by and we separated. The kids were teenagers and it was tough for them. We talked to them about it all saying it wasn't their fault etc. All the usual balanced communication and quota of tears that has to go with separation.
They got over it and we still stay in touch - my partner moved on with another person, so did I. Me and my lovely partner got married in 2016 here in my home country of NZ. I see the 2 kids I helped co parent when I can and there is great love between us. One is married and the other has a long term partner. They are both in heterosexual relationships. Not that it matters. As long as they are happy. I'm the only one in my family that I know of that is gay. It is a complete non issue in my family. My partner has 1 gay sibling and at least 2 gay cousins. One is married in the UK. My lovely partner and I are not going to have our own kids adopted or otherwise. We talked about it a lot and made a decision based on our life and what we wanted to do work wise etc. If we did want kids, nothing would stop us. Whether we were in a country that said yes or no to SSM. I know that those kids would be loved so much and parented to the best of our ability given our life experience and boy have we had plenty! What's the point of this comment I make you might ask. If you have to ask you then you have missed the point. Stand up Australia and let go of the fear.

NUP

the fear is real, just you wait and see ...........

 

[Wysiwyg]

A lot of comment and speculation here about SSM. Most of it uneducated and with no experience in life as a gay person.

95 - 98 % of people aren't homosexual which obvously explains that. Good on you for sharing your experience though. I think you will find most people have come around to accept homosexuality and let them be. Larger business policy is inclusion of all types of humans in the workplace so the majority have to accept it in that world anyway. What issue is being taken is the hijacking of traditional marriage and the mother/father family standards. The governement has ensured via this non compulsory survey there will be a change to the Marriage Act. The majority vote when the majority don't vote.

 

[Tink]

Christ College (University of Tasmania)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tasmania

has now done a backflip to allow the true meaning of Marriage to be aired on its own campus.

Marriage is one man and one woman.

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http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/

https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/articles/the-ill-liberal-equality-campaign/

 

[Logique]

A lot of comment and speculation here about SSM. Most of it uneducated and with no experience in life as a gay person. I grew up in a 'normal' household with a Mother and Father and 2 sisters. I was not sexually abused or deprived of motherly or fatherly love or had any other environmental factors that might turn me gay or queer. Nope I was born this way and in the 60s and 70s it was hell to know you were different and somehow you were supposed to fit in. I came out in Sydney in the early 80's .Yup gay Mardi Gras, lots of parties, clubs and being out and proud.Hey it was the 80's! I loved Australia and still do my Mother was born in this beautiful country. Eventually it was time for me to go home and settle down. So I did and I fell in love with an amazing person who had 2 kids under 4. This person was already divorced. We loved each other like crazy and it was a big commitment for me to take on co-parenting those 2 cute kids. But I did. The other biological parent of the kids was not always very present in the kids life because of their own 'stuff'. Both of our families Mothers and Fathers, sisters, cousins, nephews, nieces and friends embraced us and our relationship and the kids fully. Lots of love, lots of fun and often I was the the parent that had all the nephews and nieces over for the holidays as well as the neighbourhood kids while my partner worked and studied. Over a decade went by and we separated. The kids were teenagers and it was tough for them. We talked to them about it all saying it wasn't their fault etc. All the usual balanced communication and quota of tears that has to go with separation.
They got over it and we still stay in touch - my partner moved on with another person, so did I. Me and my lovely partner got married in 2016 here in my home country of NZ. I see the 2 kids I helped co parent when I can and there is great love between us. One is married and the other has a long term partner. They are both in heterosexual relationships. Not that it matters. As long as they are happy. I'm the only one in my family that I know of that is gay. It is a complete non issue in my family. My partner has 1 gay sibling and at least 2 gay cousins. One is married in the UK. My lovely partner and I are not going to have our own kids adopted or otherwise. We talked about it a lot and made a decision based on our life and what we wanted to do work wise etc. If we did want kids, nothing would stop us. Whether we were in a country that said yes or no to SSM. I know that those kids would be loved so much and parented to the best of our ability given our life experience and boy have we had plenty! What's the point of this comment I make you might ask. If you have to ask you then you have missed the point. Stand up Australia and let go of the fear.

Nobody is judging your life experience Code12.

But a 'Yes' vote would be the precursor to loss of some important personal and parental freedoms, which I see you don't bother to deny. As has happened everywhere else that allowed SSM, including Ireland and Canada.

I will not anytime soon be letting go of the fear of the gay leftist Thought Police, which your gentle wheedling seeks to empower. You are the one who seems uneducated.

 

[Macquack]

But a 'Yes' vote would be the precursor to loss of some important personal and parental freedoms, which I see you don't bother to deny.

Do want to spell out the loss of freedoms which code 12 did not bother to deny? I did not read any reference to that at all.

 

[Logique]

Don't be disingenuous Macquack.

I think #1346 and #1438 provide a core understanding, outcomes repeated in every SSM jurisdiction to date.

 

[Macquack]

Don't be disingenuous Macquack.

I think #1346 and #1438 provide a core understanding, outcomes repeated in every SSM jurisdiction to date.

You put words in Code 12's mouth, end of story.

 

[Tisme]

http://marriageequals.org.au/wp-con..._gay_parents_and_we-_dont_believe_in_SSM1.pdf

 

[pixel]

Marriage is one man and one woman.

in the opinion of some.
others diametrically disagree.
I've always held the opinion, Marriage is what you and your spouse make of it.
... and it's nobody else's business, nor is my marriage in any way affected by the way other people conduct theirs.

 

[Tink]

You are entitled to that view.
It is called freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

Marriage in Australia is -

one man and one woman.
Not blood related.
And not a child.

A mother and a father to raise their children, and take responsibility for their children.

The state has no business in same sex/transgender marriage

A mother and a father raising their children is not equal to two men/women
----------------------------------

Margaret Court stated her view on Marriage, which is the law of this land.

The stalinists/terrorists in Melbourne (including the activists from the USA, that come back and forth destroying our state with no accountability), tried to remove her name from the tennis court which she achieved playing tennis.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis...y/news-story/d44141e86f396b85388d6216f9eba0c5

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/vic/2017/06/22/gay-marriage-advocates-protest-court.html

 

[Junior]

You are entitled to that view.
It is called freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

Marriage in Australia is -

one man and one woman.
Not blood related.
And not a child.

A mother and a father to raise their children, and take responsibility for their children.

The state has no business in same sex/transgender marriage

A mother and a father raising their children is not equal to two men/women
----------------------------------

Margaret Court stated her view on Marriage, which is the law of this land.

The stalinists/terrorists in Melbourne (including the activists from the USA, that come back and forth destroying our state with no accountability), tried to remove her name from the tennis court which she achieved playing tennis.

Margaret Court is coming from a religious standpoint. Not relevant in politics and not relevant to the other HALF of the population of this country who do not identify with Christianity.

The law of the land is constantly evolving and changing. Some will live in the past whilst others will look to the future and embrace positive change.

 

[crackajack2]

A lot of comment and speculation here about SSM. Most of it uneducated and with no experience in life as a gay person. I grew up in a 'normal' household with a Mother and Father and 2 sisters. I was not sexually abused or deprived of motherly or fatherly love or had any other environmental factors that might turn me gay or queer. Nope I was born this way and in the 60s and 70s it was hell to know you were different and somehow you were supposed to fit in. I came out in Sydney in the early 80's .Yup gay Mardi Gras, lots of parties, clubs and being out and proud.Hey it was the 80's! I loved Australia and still do my Mother was born in this beautiful country. Eventually it was time for me to go home and settle down. So I did and I fell in love with an amazing person who had 2 kids under 4. This person was already divorced. We loved each other like crazy and it was a big commitment for me to take on co-parenting those 2 cute kids. But I did. The other biological parent of the kids was not always very present in the kids life because of their own 'stuff'. Both of our families Mothers and Fathers, sisters, cousins, nephews, nieces and friends embraced us and our relationship and the kids fully. Lots of love, lots of fun and often I was the the parent that had all the nephews and nieces over for the holidays as well as the neighbourhood kids while my partner worked and studied. Over a decade went by and we separated. The kids were teenagers and it was tough for them. We talked to them about it all saying it wasn't their fault etc. All the usual balanced communication and quota of tears that has to go with separation.
They got over it and we still stay in touch - my partner moved on with another person, so did I. Me and my lovely partner got married in 2016 here in my home country of NZ. I see the 2 kids I helped co parent when I can and there is great love between us. One is married and the other has a long term partner. They are both in heterosexual relationships. Not that it matters. As long as they are happy. I'm the only one in my family that I know of that is gay. It is a complete non issue in my family. My partner has 1 gay sibling and at least 2 gay cousins. One is married in the UK. My lovely partner and I are not going to have our own kids adopted or otherwise. We talked about it a lot and made a decision based on our life and what we wanted to do work wise etc. If we did want kids, nothing would stop us. Whether we were in a country that said yes or no to SSM. I know that those kids would be loved so much and parented to the best of our ability given our life experience and boy have we had plenty! What's the point of this comment I make you might ask. If you have to ask you then you have missed the point. Stand up Australia and let go of the fear.

I have no problem with that. My point is the yes movement just wants to get benefits from the government. Never seen a gay man give birth to a child. Likewise never seen a lesbian women give birth to a child without some sort of external intervention. The whole gay marriage thing is a waste of time and just for more attention seekers. And no I have nothing against gay people. Just stating the truth.

 

[crackajack2]

Margaret Court is coming from a religious standpoint. Not relevant in politics and not relevant to the other HALF of the population of this country who do not identify with Christianity.

The law of the land is constantly evolving and changing. Some will live in the past whilst others will look to the future and embrace positive change.

Positive change? To what? Hey why not introduce a vote for man animal sex. Heck my neighbour loves a donkey maybe they can have children lol

 

[crackajack2]

Vote one same animal marriage lol