Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

[overhang]

All I hope is that if YES wins, they then STFU and stop attacking majority society, leave Mothers Day and Fathers Day alone, keep their queer gender theory out of schools, stop demonising anyone who disagrees with them and don't try and pretend that gays raising children is normal or desirable.

Do we think they will do that ? I don't believe it for a minute.

Agreed and I also hope that if the yes vote wins that Abbott and the like have no input into the legislation. They had the opportunity to negotiate a bill to put towards parliament but they kicked and screamed demanding a public vote, they don't get to hedge their bets both ways.

 

[Value Collector]

What seems absolutely nuts to me is the number of people who say they are voting No for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual question, eg voting No because they think Australia is to pc, that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

 

[cynic]

All I hope is that if YES wins, they then STFU and stop attacking majority society, leave Mothers Day and Fathers Day alone, keep their queer gender theory out of schools, stop demonising anyone who disagrees with them and don't try and pretend that gays raising children is normal or desirable.

Do we think they will do that ? I don't believe it for a minute.

Can you imagine what it will be like if "yes" doesn't win?

The vote isn't a remedy! It's just another symptom of the same disease which brought us that "let's all brainwash our preadolescent children", "educational" programme.

Either way, it looks like I may need to furnish a closet to "hide out" in, lest I be gang bashed by one of the many rampant homophilic lynch mobs, brought to us courtesy of incitement by the academic elite, all of whom, ardently attest, to the sweetness of the aroma surrounding their personal flatulence.

No matter which way this vote goes, I fail to see any possibility of a win for our society.

Until the underlying problem is truly recognised and understood, efforts to devise, and/or implement, solutions, are nothing more than an exercise in folly, for which our society will very likely end up paying a heavy price.

 

[Tisme]

Okay I have a question. Much has been made of Howard changing the marriage act in 2004 to make it man and woman.

Why then was there no ssm previous to that?

Homosexuality was illegal upto around 1985 so to campaigning for gay marriage would be a VC style non sequitur.

In 1985 Mr " Do you know why I have credibility? Because I don't exude morality" Hawke made sure his mate Neal Blewett wouldn't be outed and charged.

In between 1985 and 2004 people had some residual common sense, even in the face of the tidal wave of political correctness that flooded onto our shores thanks to the Republicans in the USA using PC as a weapon to bludgeon their Democrat rivals ... that worked well, so well the new left took it and repurposed it.

From the 90's on, parliament has played host to Bob Brown, Penny Wong, Louise Pratt, Janet Rice, Robert Simms, Dean Smith, etc

In 2004 GW Bush moved to outlaw gay marriage because he didn't want his lesbian daughter closing the door on the possibility of waking up to herself and finding a man to marry. Being the deputy sherriff of the USA, John got on the case also.

 

[Tisme]

What seems absolutely nuts to me is the number of people who say they are voting No for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual question, eg voting No because they think Australia is to pc, that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

What's dumb about it? I'm guessing you are too young to remember the days before PC and various freedoms lost since then.

Thin end of the wedge my son, thin end of the wedge

 

[Value Collector]

What's dumb about it? I'm guessing you are too young to remember the days before PC and various freedoms lost since then.

Thin end of the wedge my son, thin end of the wedge

Because the question is about gay marriage, not whether you want more pc or not.

It's dumb because if you are asked a genuine question, you should answer the question, not some other question you made up in your head.

They want your opinion on ssm, not your opinion on pc, they will have no idea about the question in your head you made up.

 

[tech/a]

Because the question is about gay marriage, not whether you want more pc or not.

It's dumb because if you are asked a genuine question, you should answer the question, not some other question you made up in your head.

They want your opinion on ssm, not your opinion on pc, they will have no idea about the question in your head you made up.

This stirs you up VC.

Most of us realize its not that simple.
Dumbing it down with words on a PC
doesn't turn us blind.

And if your Incinerating that I'm Dumb Ill Sue your Arse off.

 

[cynic]

This stirs you up VC.

Most of us realize its not that simple.
Dumbing it down with words on a PC
doesn't turn us blind.

And if your Incinerating that I'm Dumb Ill Sue your Arse off.

I would never incinerate that! I wouldn't even dare to insinuate it either!

 

[tech/a]

Think its a HOT topic!

I'm a member of the ADN
National Dyslexics Association.

 

[PZ99]

Think its a HOT topic!

I'm a member of the ADN
National Dyslexics Association.

I hope you get your stock picks right ?

Then again you can't go wrong with BUB

 

[dutchie]

No matter which way this vote goes, I fail to see any possibility of a win for our society.

There will be trouble further down the road no matter who wins.
If NO gets up there will be protest after protest.
If YES gets up there will be protest over the legislation (which should have been decided before the vote).

 

[drsmith]

I have received my postal vote form, ticked a box and returned it in the reply paid envelope supplied.

Whilst I'm of the view that two consenting adults can do as they please, marriage is between a man and a woman.

I have also now cast my vote in this thread reflecting the above.

 

[cynic]

Hey! I just noticed that the "yes" vote in the poll on this thread has dipped below 60%.

Have we had a lot of latecomers to the "no" party, or are members reversing their "yes" votes?

 

[Value Collector]

And if your Incinerating that I'm Dumb Ill Sue your Arse off.

I said "it's Dumb", e.g. in my opinion the action is a dumb.

I didn't say "You are Dumb", but if you can't see the difference perhaps I need to reconsider.

 

[Value Collector]

Have we had a lot of latecomers to the "no" party,

Yes, such as watchdog, who only joined yesterday and who's only 12 posts all appear to be a the gay marriage thing.

and I suspect this forum probably isn't the only one he joined recently to spread his opinion, and after this vote, will probably won't hear from him again.

 

[drsmith]

Hey! I just noticed that the "yes" vote in the poll on this thread has dipped below 60%.

Have we had a lot of latecomers to the "no" party, or are members reversing their "yes" votes?

I did notice after voting that there is an option to change vote.

I may have been the one that tipped "no" over 40%.

 

[cynic]

Yes, such as watchdog, who only joined yesterday and who's only 12 posts all appear to be a the gay marriage thing.

and I suspect this forum probably isn't the only one he joined recently to spread his opinion, and after this vote, will probably won't hear from him again.

During the past 24 hours, I have read a number of posts by watchdog11 in other threads within this forum , so please, let's not allow our personal prejudices to obscure our view of actual facts!

 

[PZ99]

Whichever way you look at it, 99 votes is a pretty good turnout for a forum.

@Joe Blow have you voted yet ? LOL

 

[SirRumpole]

What seems absolutely nuts to me is the number of people who say they are voting No for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual question, eg voting No because they think Australia is to pc, that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Actually I don't think it is dumb, even if Tony Abbott agrees with it.

There are some times when you have to draw a line and show some people that the majority have had enough of a small but loud minority who want to shut US up and shape majority society to their world view. eg designing whole anti bullying school courses around one particular issue important to them and ignoring a multitude of other factors that impacts on children and their welfare. That is a pernicious bias that shouldn't be allowed to continue.

As I said before, I think a better solution is not to change the Marriage Act, but to have separate legislation for LGBxyz unions, which will recognise the rights of consenting adults to marry but to also send a message that the majority want to keep their own traditions intact and will not be infiltrated by a noisy few.

 

[PZ99]

Well there goes the first $60million

Almost half of all Australians eligible to take part in the same-sex marriage postal survey will receive ballots before the weekend.

More than four million forms have been delivered and millions more are expected to land in letterboxes on Friday, a Senate inquiry has been told.

"We're slightly ahead of our schedule for dispatch of remaining forms, so that all means we're in very good shapes to all eligible Australians by September 25," Deputy Australian Statistician Jonathon Palmer said.

Mr Palmer expects all forms to be sent out by September 21.

Initial mailouts were targeted at rural and remote communities and radio ads for the postal survey are running in seven different indigenous languages.

Roughly 120,000 silent electors are expected to receive their ballot papers next week.

However overseas voters will not receive online codes to take part in the survey until September 25.

"We're not bringing that option online yet," Mr Palmer told senators.

People will not be notified if their returned forms are discarded because they are damaged, marked unclearly or deemed a duplicate.

"Their response is de-identified so there's no receipt or communication to people if there response isn't going to be processed," Mr Palmer said.

External observers - unlike scrutineers used in election campaigns - will be barred from looking at every survey form.

"We don't want anyone in the process to be in a position to estimate the result ... or be seen to be credible in their estimation of the result," Mr Palmer said.

"We'll keep the statistics under strict embargo and very few people - I'm talking less than a handful - will know the result before it's published."

Mr Palmer referred some incidents of alleged fraud, such as the sale of ballot papers on eBay, to federal police on Thursday.

He hopes to discuss with the AFP on Friday a policy for how the two agencies will work together on allegations.

More than 87,000 calls have been made to a hotline set up to assist Australians with queries about the postal survey, with four per cent listed as complaints.

One per cent were classified as a compliment.

"We'd like that number to be higher," Mr Palmer conceded jokingly.

The bureau has had to reassign staff working on the next Census project in 2021 to the survey.

So far the ABS has spent $63.5 million on the ballot.

So far 61 survey forms have been reissued to replaced spoilt ones - including those with drawings by small children.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...e/news-story/59ed123e2e6d1c6a0da516f673e507d1