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[wayneL]

The thing is, we are a broad church, we should expect disagreement and we should expect robust debate.

Some of my best life lessons are from being worked over in debate.

I make no apologies for my views, but at the same time, reserve the right to change them. I see my opinions as an evolution of ideas.

This is part of the reason I debate the way I do, akin to the scientific principle of falsification. I'm testing my views as I defend them.

In the other thread, I stated that I'd have a beer with any of my adversaries, even basilio.

Ironically this all blew up in the freedom of speech thread. I think we should all be very carefull about trying to silence opinions we dont agree with. Voltaire had something to day about this and I think thr phenomenon of Trump in the US election is symptomatic of though policing, likewise the schmozle in our senate.

If you find my views objectionable, good, make your case why you disagree. Don't hate me if I do likewise, that is hypocrisy.

Just some rambling thoughts.

 

[luutzu]

The thing is, we are a broad church, we should expect disagreement and we should expect robust debate.

Some of my best life lessons are from being worked over in debate.

I make no apologies for my views, but at the same time, reserve the right to change them. I see my opinions as an evolution of ideas.

This is part of the reason I debate the way I do, akin to the scientific principle of falsification. I'm testing my views as I defend them.

In the other thread, I stated that I'd have a beer with any of my adversaries, even basilio.

Ironically this all blew up in the freedom of speech thread. I think we should all be very carefull about trying to silence opinions we dont agree with. Voltaire had something to day about this and I think thr phenomenon of Trump in the US election is symptomatic of though policing, likewise the schmozle in our senate.

If you find my views objectionable, good, make your case why you disagree. Don't hate me if I do likewise, that is hypocrisy.

Just some rambling thoughts.

People don't hate you Sifu.

They'd have to love you first. ha ha jk.

I think we all have days when the fuse is short and the thesaurus weren't around...

alright, peace be with you.

 

[wayneL]

People don't hate you Sifu.

They'd have to love you first. ha ha jk.

I think we all have days when the fuse is short and the thesaurus weren't around...

alright, peace be with you.

Ahhh lets hold hands and say ommmm.

I need one woman to love me.... Together nearly 40 years, so doing alright there.

I need roughly 100 horse owners and two or three veterinarians to love me to make a business. Doing really well there too, my books are closed.

I need a very few rednecked colleagues to talk shop, hammer hot steel and drink beer with to love me. We feel comfortable enough with each other to challenge ideas and call each other c###, all while having a laugh.

Perhaps 125 people from 9 billion. Not many eh?

The rest can choose.

 

[basilio]

Interesting Wayne...Robust debate ? Honest discussion ? Open to evolving your opinions ?

I'd agree that in some threads you offer these qualities. But frankly I totally jack up when :

1) You gratuitously insult me (and others) in discussions. Just not cool

2) Then when you are called out on said insults just refuse to acknowledge the fact and create a web of fanciful "logic" to hide your lapse/error. Really you convinced no one and simply dug yourself into bedrock.

3) You use quite breath taking verbal gymnastics to excuse/explain your language. For example calling Hilary Clinton a worse choice than Hannibal Lector and a Stalinist totalitarian is simply character assassination. Trying to saying it was "hyperbole" is absurd - regardless of your protestations and verbal gymnastics. A simple test of that statement is to show the exchanges to a few people and invite their responses.

Finally Wayne it is also not cool to stand on your soap box and say you never used your role as Mod to manipulate/chill discussions in this Forum. I can say with certainty that your actions on some of my posts in CC in the past have been designed to have that effect.

Now no doubt you will deny that like you deny every other example I have outlined. But I know the facts and you should too (unless you have forgotten.) And no doubt Joe has all the correspondence on file doesn't he ?

So are you open to evolving your views? Can you see different perspectives ? Can you acknowledge new evidence ? Are you open to genuine doubt and then deciding that risk management may be the better part of valour ?

Who knows. I somehow think we have been at this point in previous "intense disagreements" and it seems as though little has changed. I do remember that when you came back from an extended break there was the thought you might have some new reflections. Maybe .. maybe not.

 

[wayneL]

Okay lets start with your 1/, basilio, the accusation of "gratuitous" insult. I would like to examine that. If we take that gratuitous means without valid reason, then I would like you to go ahead and justify that accusation.

For instance, I could also accuse you of the same thing; can I even count the number of times you have ingraciously and gratuitously insulted me, because of a different interpretation of available research.

I hasten to add that I can take your insults like a man, I only mention it yo highlight your monumentally megalithic hypocrisy on this point.

We can then go through your other points and test them for validity.

 

[wayneL]

Forgot to add, as this is a thread on in moderation, can you please link this point with any moderation actions involving you or anybody else.

I mean, my making some accurate cutting observations have notihing to do with moderation, unless in the course of moderation.

 

[SirRumpole]

Forgot to add, as this is a thread on in moderation, can you please link this point with any moderation actions involving you or anybody else.

I mean, my making some accurate cutting observations have notihing to do with moderation, unless in the course of moderation.

Insulting fellow posters is an action inconsistent with moderation where even handedness should be the watchword.

No one minds you expressing an opinion civilly, but surely part of the job is to encourage [moderation] ?

 

[trainspotter]

Good GOD !



If you don't like the opinions you read on line then it is time to get off the keyboard

I was walking past the mental hospital the other day, and all the patients were shouting ,'13....13....13'
The fence was too high to see over,but I saw a little gap in the planks and looked through to see what was going on.

Some b@stard poked me in the eye with a stick.

Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...

 

[SirRumpole]

Good GOD !


If you don't like the opinions you read on line then it is time to get off the keyboard

Yeah, and if you don't like the lack of service in fast food restaurants, then it's time not to go there any more and quit bitching about it.

Follow me ?

 

[Boggo]

The demand for these seem to be growing

 

[trainspotter]

Yeah, and if you don't like the lack of service in fast food restaurants, then it's time not to go there any more and quit bitching about it.

Follow me ?

Oh Touche' Rumpy .. I had my mouth open on that one and everything :



Just to clarify .. it was not a fast food restaurant. It was purported to be a fine dining experience. I will not go there ever again no matter how good the reviews may or may not be. I was not "bitching" about it, I was merely pointing out "Standards are slipping" - afterall that was the title of the thread

But I digress, I am picking up what you are putting down Horace me old tart but I have seen this site wax and wane (pun intended) over the years and I must say wayneL has been batting at 100 percent. Not changed one bit. Not a ZOT. Neither even a skerrick. Has not shown fear or favour towards anyone. In case you haven't noticed he LIKES to challenge you into a thought provoking experience and then when the going get's tough ... well you know the rest.

 

[SirRumpole]

No problem with thought provoking experience as long as it doesn't descend to abuse.

 

[trainspotter]

No problem with thought provoking experience as long as it doesn't descend to abuse.

You started it

 

[wayneL]

Abuse?

 

[wayneL]

Just piecing together the psychological jigsaw that is basilio and his unrelenting and uncompromising malevolence, despite my peaceful overtures....

Politicians have always been fair game... Dubya, 'Bama, Trump, Abbott, whoever. Yet more than anything, despite my pointing his participation in Lampooning some of the above, it is my hyperbolic assessment of Hillary that bas is most bent out of shape about... her dubious character proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

It is this which he seems incapable of getting past.

Would you care to explain that basilio?

 

[basilio]

Just piecing together the psychological jigsaw that is basilio and his unrelenting and uncompromising malevolence, despite my peaceful overtures....

Politicians have always been fair game... Dubya, 'Bama, Trump, Abbott, whoever. Yet more than anything, despite my pointing his participation in Lampooning some of the above, it is my hyperbolic assessment of Hillary that bas is most bent out of shape about... her dubious character proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

It is this which he seems incapable of getting past.

Would you care to explain that basilio?

Love - 30. Two service faults.

 

[SirRumpole]

her (Hilary) dubious character proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

Probably the wrong thread for this, but is it(her character) ?

Are we comparing her to Trump or just trying to denigrate without evidence ?

Trump today said he believed that Obama literally started ISIS. That appears to be criminal defamation without evidence. I'd like to see him back that up in court.

So, who has the more dubious character out of Trump and Clinton do you think ?

 

[trainspotter]

Probably the wrong thread for this, but is it(her character) ?

Are we comparing her to Trump or just trying to denigrate without evidence ?

Trump today said he believed that Obama literally started ISIS. That appears to be criminal defamation without evidence. I'd like to see him back that up in court.

So, who has the more dubious character out of Trump and Clinton do you think ?

Posted same thing in other thread

Trump would win in a landslide - of defamation that is.

 

[explod]

Just piecing together the psychological jigsaw that is basilio and his unrelenting and uncompromising malevolence, despite my peaceful overtures....

Politicians have always been fair game... Dubya, 'Bama, Trump, Abbott, whoever. Yet more than anything, despite my pointing his participation in Lampooning some of the above, it is my hyperbolic assessment of Hillary that bas is most bent out of shape about... her dubious character proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

It is this which he seems incapable of getting past.

Would you care to explain that basilio?

"peaceful overtures" you are jocking surely.

To knock those down who do not follow your bent you will pull quotes from your a..... S to ensure your case.

In many arguments, particularly climate there are countless arguments and scientific facts either way. It is not resolved but there is suffiecient visible change to at least concede we should do something about it.

Is tha not so ole Pal?

 

[CanOz]

Interesting how its always the ones posting alarmist, non-factual or anecdotal rubbish that are complaining about WayneL....hmmm, maybe you lot need a bit of tough love...