NBN Rollout Scrapped

[H C]

I think you'll find it's the Tony and Mal show that don't have a policy.... After promising 25Mbps to 100% by 2016, their review has just found it's impossible... Like we said all along.

yeah, I remember before the election they were making a big deal about how FttN was the way to go because it can be rolled out "quicker" than FttP. Turns out they were either misleading us or just incompetent...

- Their promised coverage by end 2016 has dropped by 57%

- The cost has increased by 33%

- It has been revealed that zero testing has been done on the copper network.

- It has been revealed that they have received zero data on the condition of the copper network.

- It has been revealed that even the 33% blown-out costs doesn't include any money to buy the copper network.
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Also those in HFC areas get shafted. It'll be interesting to see how this part turns out for Turnbull and GimpCo. I got my 3 years supply of popcorn too

 

[sydboy007]

I'm afraid so Mac... and you are :topic

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:topic

Just to humour me, does the information in the below diagram worry you as to how much can potentially go wrong with the current LN+P plans for broadband?

Malcolm keeps referencing the UK as a model rollout that Australia can replicate, even though:

* the lower quality copper in Australia will require a significantly increased amount of nodes

* there has never been an FTTN rollout done by a non infrastructure owner

* there is a $0 cost assumption to accessing the copper and HFC networks and an assumption that access to the infrastructure will occur in the next 6-12 months.

* within 3 months the cost of the LN+P network rollout has increased by 33% from the rock solid costings provided pre election

* Malcolm has appointed ex Telstra employees to the NBN board who have no rollout or infrastructure experience but who are very much recognised Liberal supporters, has also appointed a strident critic of the FTTP rollout to do the technology "agnostic" CBA, and co owns a boat with one of the new appointees. Oh, and it looks like they can continue to hold their Telstra shares.

* the LN+P have decided FTTN is cheaper than FTTP, even though they have not audited, and have no plans to audit, the quality of the copper network and have no legitimate way to estimate the remediation costs to provide a non guaranteed level of broadband speed.

* take up rates of FTTP in Australia are at 30%+ rates - some areas over 50% VOLUNTARILY, whereas FTTN in the UK has been at around 10% VOLUNTARILY.

Hopefully you can answer the questions rather than a personal jibe / attack.

 

[sydboy007]

It'll be interesting to see how this part turns out for Turnbull and GimpCo.

GimpCo just shows the level of bias you have /sarcasm

It is now the MTM(N) - Malcolm Turnbull Mess Network

 

[sydboy007]

The LN+P vision for broadband, proudly brought to you by TPG - cheap at just over $12K on a 24 month contract

 

[sydboy007]

Compared to FTTP NBN Business fibre, proudly brought to you by iiNet for under $3.8K and free calls thrown in.

Hmm, 5K install with TPG or $79.95 with iiNet

 

[Calliope]

Just to humour me, does the information in the below diagram worry you as to how much can potentially go wrong with the current LN+P plans for broadband?

Anything to humour you sydboy...no I couldn't give a stuff.

 

[H C]

GimpCo just shows the level of bias you have /sarcasm

It is now the MTM(N) - Malcolm Turnbull Mess Network

Indeed and sadly this is what happens to all important communications infrastructure projects when you let clowns run them and then roll out a network based on outdated and obsolete technologies.

 

[sydboy007]

Anything to humour you sydboy...no I couldn't give a stuff.

:topic

Then could you just refrain from posting in this thread? You add no value to the discussion except to present a biased point of view that has no understanding of the relevant technologies or implementation plans, and seems to have no interesting in gaining any understanding?

You criticise Labor for what you believe was a plan thought up on a plane flight, yet have complete faith in the current LN+P policy that was only launched in April and has seen cost blowouts, broken election commitments and a seemingly naive belief that Telstra and Optus will handover over assets of high economic value for free.

You can't even grasp that the SME market is currently faced with accessing fast broadband based on rates similar to what TPG are charging, where as the NBN is allowing them to gain access to similar high speed services for a 70% discount in line with what iiNet are offering. Funny a Government supposedly firmly out to support the SME sector is happy to consign them to either 3rd rate infrastructure, or forces them pay exorbitant rates to gain access to world class infrastructure.

I get it you don't care about the topic. I do. If we're truly heading towards being a post industrial economy then probably the only way we'll manage to compete in a world full of poor and far hungrier workers is by having some of the best communications infrastructure in the world that encourages companies to set up in Australia to take advantage of that economic advantage. Singapore and Korea are practically there, China will most likely be there in 10 years, and we'll be stuck on the infrastructure they moved on from or bypassed all together.

So if you don't give a stuff then don't waste our time with your posts that add no value to the discussion.

 

[Calliope]

:topic

Then could you just refrain from posting in this thread? You add no value to the discussion except to present a biased point of view that has no understanding of the relevant technologies or implementation plans, and seems to have no interesting in gaining any understanding?

You criticise Labor for what you believe was a plan thought up on a plane flight, yet have complete faith in the current LN+P policy that was only launched in April and has seen cost blowouts, broken election commitments and a seemingly naive belief that Telstra and Optus will handover over assets of high economic value for free.

You can't even grasp that the SME market is currently faced with accessing fast broadband based on rates similar to what TPG are charging, where as the NBN is allowing them to gain access to similar high speed services for a 70% discount in line with what iiNet are offering. Funny a Government supposedly firmly out to support the SME sector is happy to consign them to either 3rd rate infrastructure, or forces them pay exorbitant rates to gain access to world class infrastructure.

I get it you don't care about the topic. I do. If we're truly heading towards being a post industrial economy then probably the only way we'll manage to compete in a world full of poor and far hungrier workers is by having some of the best communications infrastructure in the world that encourages companies to set up in Australia to take advantage of that economic advantage. Singapore and Korea are practically there, China will most likely be there in 10 years, and we'll be stuck on the infrastructure they moved on from or bypassed all together.

So if you don't give a stuff then don't waste our time with your posts that add no value to the discussion.

:topic

For your information the topic is not about me. It is about the failure of NBN Co. I can understand your reluctance to stick to the topic when you would rather play the man.

 

[H C]

It is about the failure of NBN Co.

Good point. So far under the new management they've failed to roll out any brownfield nodes in streets and that 25mbps promise for "every household and business" in Australia has been downgraded to 43%. Discuss

 

[sydboy007]

Good point. So far under the new management they've failed to roll out any brownfield nodes in streets and that 25mbps promise for "every household and business" in Australia has been downgraded to 43%. Discuss

Yes. His LN+P tinted glasses don't allow him to see the increasing failures of the current Government.

/sarcasm

I love the fact the only NBN VDSL FTTB trial so far had just 1 user connected. Not sure exactly what it was supposed to prove, but hey 1 test user in 3 months is pretty good going by the MTM team. Combined with the enforced slow down for the FTTP rollout and things are looking on the up and up

/end sarcasm

 

[noco]

It would appear from this link from the Australian that neither side of politices have a firm grip of this "WHITE ELEPHANT" called the NBN.

Conroy had no idea what it was going to finally cost and Malcom Turbull has also underestimated the final cost of the revamp NBN by many billions of dollars.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...n-conroys-fibre/story-e6frgd0x-1226793319264#

 

[sydboy007]

It would appear from this link from the Australian that neither side of politices have a firm grip of this "WHITE ELEPHANT" called the NBN.

Conroy had no idea what it was going to finally cost and Malcom Turbull has also underestimated the final cost of the revamp NBN by many billions of dollars.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...n-conroys-fibre/story-e6frgd0x-1226793319264#

A white elephant would be something no one uses. Considering the extremely fast take up rates of the NBN, it seems very unlikely that it wont achieve the forecast take up rates.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It would appear from this link from the Australian that neither side of politices have a firm grip of this "WHITE ELEPHANT" called the NBN.

Conroy had no idea what it was going to finally cost and Malcom Turbull has also underestimated the final cost of the revamp NBN by many billions of dollars.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...n-conroys-fibre/story-e6frgd0x-1226793319264#

White elephant, only half describes it.

The NBN will be a drain on the public purse for 2 generations.

Conroy and Rudd have much to answer for.

gg

 

[H C]

Conroy and Rudd have much to answer for.

False. That would only be true if NBNco was going ahead with the plan as they intended. Since there has been a change of government the responsibility for the current direction of the "new" look GimpCo lies with Abbott and Turnbull thus they must shoulder the blame for the eventual failure and any waste associated with it. Surely the promises they made before the election must mean something...

 

[drsmith]

Broadband Availability and Quality: Summary Report 23 December 2013

http://www.minister.communications....4/205061/myBroadband_Summary_Report_FINAL.pdf

There's been no rollout updates from NBN Co since December 15.

 

[sydboy007]

Broadband Availability and Quality: Summary Report 23 December 2013

http://www.minister.communications....4/205061/myBroadband_Summary_Report_FINAL.pdf

There's been no rollout updates from NBN Co since December 15.

I cannot believe the below table. They're claiming around 1/3 of ADSL customers are getting at least 21Mbs.

I deal with tens of thousands of ADSL connections in my job and I'd estimate < 20% get much past 12Mbs

I wonder where they got the 20K worth of empirical observations, because their results are definitely skewed to make the current broadband situation look far better than it really is.

Then they say:

Of premises with access to xDSL broadband services over copper, about 3.7 million are located in areas with an estimated peak median download speed of less than 9 Mbps, and 920,000 in areas with an estimated peak median download speed of less than 4.8 Mbps

It would be great if they'd provide information used in formation these assumptions.

 

[drsmith]

The data inputs are outlined on pages 3 and 4 of the report.

 

[sydboy007]

http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/analysis-of-nbn-2-0/

A pretty unbiased analysis of where things are and where they could end up

 

[drsmith]

Apologies if the following has been posted before.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/sa/2013/12/new-recruit-to-the-nbn-board.html

It's an ABC interview with Simon Hackett from early December.