NBN Rollout Scrapped

[NBNMyths]

So thats $195 per person.

We are spending $1266 per person. Gee

If you don't mind earning the typical wage in China I'm sure we can reduce the rollout costs in Australia.

I'd also argue that a roll-out is cheaper in China simply due to the high density of the population.

Yeah, no problem. Let's just put the Australian construction workers onto Chinese wages. That should reduce the cost here.

While we're at it, let's drop all our wages to Chinese levels, starting with yours. Sound like a good idea?

 

[Trembling Hand]

If you don't mind earning the typical wage in China I'm sure we can reduce the rollout costs in Australia.

I'd also argue that a roll-out is cheaper in China simply due to the high density of the population.

It is still a relevant comparison because you have to get return off it.

 

[sptrawler]

Yeah, no problem. Let's just put the Australian construction workers onto Chinese wages. That should reduce the cost here.

While we're at it, let's drop all our wages to Chinese levels, starting with yours. Sound like a good idea?

Well that would bring house prices down.lol But that's another thread.

 

[DB008]

Ars Technica article.

$20 for 768Kbps Internet? AT&T “deal” shows sad state of US broadband

$20 for 768Kbps Internet? AT&T “deal” shows sad state of US broadband
And did I mention the fees?

By Nate Anderson - July 2 2013, 9:10am EST
THE WEB
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For many years, I was an AT&T DSL customer with a "top of the line" 6Mbps connection. Eventually, the company's inability to offer faster speeds in the Chicago area drove me into the waiting arms of Comcast, which was substantially more expensive but had the great virtue of at least offering speeds of 20+ Mbps.

Now, AT&T wants me back. Having finally brought its fiber-to-the-local-node U-Verse system to my town, AT&T sent me a letter this week offering "great low prices" and "a whole lot more." The low price turned out to be $19.95 a month. The "whole lot more" turned out to be:

A one-year term commitment
Up to $180 in early termination fees
$99 installation charge
$6/month fee to rent a DSL modem/router, should I need one
"Up to 768k" connection speeds
Yes, you read that last point right. This incredible deal package provides Internet so slow that it is still measured in kilobits per second. (The upside? No real worries about burning through your 250GB/month data limit.)

Adding insult to this already significant injury, $19.95 is only the promotional price. After a year, the "standard rate applies unless canceled by customer." The letter doesn't bother to explain what the "standard rate" actually is.

Visiting AT&T's U-Verse website is, if anything, more amazing than reading this letter. The website says that, for my home, AT&T would prefer to bill me a shocking $28/month for 768kbps Internet, making the $19.95 a "discount" if certainly not a "deal." Of course, it's all a ploy. The real plan is to use the lowest possible price to get you to investigate U-Verse and then sign up for a higher priced tier. How else can you explain the fact that U-Verse offers me almost 25x the speed for twice the price (18Mbps for $56/month)?

*Link
http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/07/20-for-768kbps-internet-atdeal-shows-sad-state-of-us-broadband/

 

[So_Cynical]

Hmmm. NBNMYths, well there's an objective commentator, with no ties to the Labor Party.

At least he has credibility.

 

[NBNMyths]

It is still a relevant comparison because you have to get return off it.

Only if you assume that the retail prices (and therefore revenue) in China will be the same as in Australia. Which is extremely unlikely.

 

[Calliope]

At least he has credibility.

Which is more than you have. As I have pointed out to you before, whenever anyone pushes the Labor line you shed your So-Cynical guise and become Sooo-Gullible...a real pussy-cat.

 

[Trembling Hand]

Only if you assume that the retail prices (and therefore revenue) in China will be the same as in Australia.

Is is going to be cheaper by a factor of 10

In your words,

extremely unlikely.

 

[sydboy007]

Is is going to be cheaper by a factor of 10

In your words,

The other question is, what are the $$ benefits in Australia compared to China.

Already the Chinese Govt is slowly starting to realise that capital investments in the already rich areas has a far higher ROI than investment in the less developed interior.

In general terms capital invested into an economy that already has a highly skilled workforce will generate higher returns than capital into areas where people have low literacy standards and education levels.

Once again I'll ask, if the NBN plan costs you no more than your current ADSL plan, why are you against it?

If someone offered to give you a brand new car that would be able to have performance upgrade for the next 50 years at minimal costs ie it would be like getting a current model car every 5 to 10 years for maybe 10% of a new car, would you say no thanks?

 

[Trembling Hand]

Once again I'll ask, if the NBN plan costs you no more than your current ADSL plan, why are you against it?

Did i say I was against it?

 

[sptrawler]

Did i say I was against it?

+1
I'M just against retrofitting it to people who don't want it, or don't care about it, or it isn't worth doing it.

Point in case. Kambalda a town of 6000 people.
Is a town 50 klm SE of Kalgoorlie, that the natural gas pipeline runs past.
Everyone has bottled gas and wanted the natural gas plumbed in, but it wasn't done?
But they will get the NBN, WHY?

Their fuel and cost of living would have dropped markedly with LNG, but obviously the limited life expectancy of the town, precluded it.
Yet they will get the NBN, am I missing something, or are we being led by idiots.

 

[drsmith]

An update on the progress of the rollout from the AFR,

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/nbn_co_accused_of_creative_accounting_YVAv0cdvM68MGRttnT9clK

 

[So_Cynical]

am I missing something, or are we being led by idiots.

Your missing something.

May i suggest that you don't seem to understand that some governments (political party's) think that its their job to provide an enabling environment for economic growth, and infrastructure for the economic and social well-being of its citizens...i imagine that reticulated gas for Kambalda is a much lower priority than NBN.

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I used to live in an isolated little country town (pop 2500) on the edge of the Snowy's, crazy cold, so when the Melb to Canberra gas pipeline came thru town it was a no brainer that the "right" thing to do was reticulated gas, NSW Labor Govt at the time.

 

[sptrawler]

Your missing something.

May i suggest that you don't seem to understand that some governments (political party's) think that its their job to provide an enabling environment for economic growth, and infrastructure for the economic and social well-being of its citizens...i imagine that reticulated gas for Kambalda is a much lower priority than NBN..

Well that's dumb, how would faster internet(which isn't slow allready).
Be better than cutting their fuel costs by 50 - 60 % by changing over from lpg to lng. You have a weird take on what helps people.

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I used to live in an isolated little country town (pop 2500) on the edge of the Snowy's, crazy cold, so when the Melb to Canberra gas pipeline came thru town it was a no brainer that the "right" thing to do was reticulated gas, NSW Labor Govt at the time.

So why was it good to reticulate a country town of 2500 people in NSW and not reticulate atown of 6000 in W.A?

 

[drsmith]

An update on the progress of the rollout from the AFR,

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/nbn_co_accused_of_creative_accounting_YVAv0cdvM68MGRttnT9clK

The twice downward revised rollout June 30 rollout target has been met, well, sort of.

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/nbn_statistics_reveal_many_passed_0VcMsUKNI0XGyZ5uoxt6xK

 

[Calliope]

The twice downward revised rollout June 30 rollout target has been met, well, sort of.

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/nbn_statistics_reveal_many_passed_0VcMsUKNI0XGyZ5uoxt6xK

Yes. The best way to meet targets is to revise them downwards until they match your capabilities, or your rhetoric.

 

[DB008]

Europe and Japan Aiming to Build 100Gbps Fibre Optic Internet

The European Commission (EC) and Japan have announced the launch of six joint research projects, supported by £15.3m+ (€18m) in funding, that aim to build networks which are “5000 times faster than today’s average European broadband ISP speed (100Gbps compared to 19.7Mbps)“.

The telecoms experts among you will know that 100Gbps+ (Gigabits per second) fibre optic links are nothing new but most of these are major submarine or national cable links. The new effort appears to be looking further ahead, with a view to improving the efficiency of such networks and perhaps even bringing them closer to homes.

It’s frequently noted that demand for data is putting a growing strain on broadband connections (the EU expects data traffic to grow 12-fold by 2018), which is partly fuelled by ever faster fixed line ISP and mobile broadband connectivity. But technology is always evolving to keep pace.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/07/europe-and-japan-aiming-to-build-100gbps-fibre-optic-internet.html

 

[sptrawler]

Europe and Japan Aiming to Build 100Gbps Fibre Optic Internet



http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/07/europe-and-japan-aiming-to-build-100gbps-fibre-optic-internet.html

Yes Danny did you note the article was talking about a fibre backbone e.g submarine or national link cables. We already have a fibre backbone, all the exchanges are interconnected by fibre. Yet everyone is busy telling us how far we are behind the rest of the world.

The article said they were thinking of bringing it closer to the home, exactly what we are doing.

 

[NBNMyths]

Yes Danny did you note the article was talking about a fibre backbone e.g submarine or national link cables. We already have a fibre backbone, all the exchanges are interconnected by fibre. Yet everyone is busy telling us how far we are behind the rest of the world.

The article said they were thinking of bringing it closer to the home, exactly what we are doing.

There's nothing particularly radical in the article, or those linked from it. Just the standard constant improvements you'd expect to be taking place.

While our (and their) exchanges and submarine links are already fibre, they are not running at 100Gbps. Most are 10 or less currently, with a few international cables at 40 and one Australian cable (Southern Cross) currently being upgraded to 100.

 

[sptrawler]

There's nothing particularly radical in the article, or those linked from it. Just the standard constant improvements you'd expect to be taking place.

While our (and their) exchanges and submarine links are already fibre, they are not running at 100Gbps. Most are 10 or less currently, with a few international cables at 40 and one Australian cable (Southern Cross) currently being upgraded to 100.

So it was a pretty balanced post. Magic

That would then indicate, we are on the same page as a lot of the rest.

When you cut through all the emotional crap.