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I think some terminology may be helpful here for the majority of people who won't have installed cables, only found out what a pit is last week and are still alarmed at the prospect of pulling on a snake.

Cables can be installed underground in one of two ways. Either direct buried or in conduit.

Direct buried means exactly that, the cable is placed in the ground and covered over. It's cheaper to install, but has the disadvantages that installing another cable (or replacing a damaged one) means digging everything up again. And the cable itself is at the mercy of anyone who goes digging nearby.

Using conduit means that you first install conduits (pipes) in the ground and the cables are then "pulled through" the pipes. To facilitate access you have pits at regular intervals along a straight run, plus wherever there's a change of direction or a need to join the cables. These conduits are just pipes, and are made of all sorts of different materials over the years - terracotta, asbestos, galvanised wrought iron, plastic etc.

A pit is simply an empty box in the ground with the ends of the conduits poked through holes in the side of the pit. Pits are made of various materials (concrete poured on site, asbestos, fibreglass, plastic, steel) and come in lots of different sizes (and just about every different utility has their own designs too). On top of the pit is a lid, usually made of concrete or steel / cast iron but in more recent times fibreglass and plastics are also being used.

Pulling through cables means that you insert something relatively easy into the conduits, such as a draw rope (which is often blown through using compressed air) or a "snake". This is so common that there's actually special rope made for this purpose.

A snake is just a long fibreglass rod that's stiff enough to push from one end and stay rigid inside the conduit such that it gets to the next pit (where a human grabs hold of it) whilst being flexible enough to be stored on a big reel when not in use. You can't "push on a string" because it's not stiff enough - a snake is basically a rod that's stiff enough to use this way. You push it in, attach the cable to the other end, then pull it back out again bringing the cable with it. It can also be used in the reverse of this. The snake is a tool used to do the job, not part of the infrastructure as such. Using a snake is in most cases more labour intensive than blowing a string through and pulling in a rope. It just takes longer, that's all.

So in summary there's a lot of conduits (pipes) in the ground with pits at regular intervals to facilitate access. Cables can be installed into these existing conduits using a couple of different methods.

The issues here are:

1. The pits were very commonly made from asbestos cement. Removing these creates a big safety hazard.

2. Some of the conduits are also made from asbestos cement. Any attempt to blow ropes through these will release massive amounts of fibres, whilst even using a snake will release some due to abrasion.

3. Much of the underground network is in poor condition due to years of cost cutting and an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality. In short, it's unlikely to be the same contractor who comes back 15 years later to pull another cable in, so there's no incentive to fix problems properly in the first place. And so they didn't fix them properly, and now it's one almighty mess.

From a political perspective, I'll point the finger in both directions. Labor is undeniably responsible for the NBN as such. But the Liberals can't really claim to have supported an in-house workforce under proper control over contractors with no control or a long term focus toward assets generally.

Both major parties have contributed to messing it up, that's what happens when you have an obsession with marketing and short term profit rather than actually investing in infrastructure. Labor should have known this was the situation, but then the Liberals also deserve some of the blame for creating it in the first place so it's hard to choose between the two.

Privatisation and in particular competition are part of the cause here. Since there was no guarantee that a future NBN would take over Telstra's underground network in a manner that was profitable for Telstra, they had no incentive to invest in it. And so they didn't.

It's essentially the same as what happened with rail in Tasmania where the trains literally fell off the tracks following over a decade of neglect. Government ended up buying the whole lot back in order to end up with a rail system that actually works. Now we've got the Australian Government building the NBN, effectively re-nationalising telecommunications infrastructure.

Or like what's happening with electricity - the lights very nearly went out in South Australia today, avoided only by the use of diesel generators feeding the grid. Meanwhile there are perfectly good power stations sitting there doing nothing. Sad but true. Needless to say, the costs of all this will eventually feed through to household bills.

So it's Telstra's asbestos pits today but there are plenty of other such disasters looming. Just wait until something goes bang in a big way at ******** or *********.

I'm not against private ownership of infrastructure per se, but the model which creates an obsession with short term profit at the expense of the future is doing Australia far more harm than good. We're losing competitiveness as a direct result - it's utter nonsense to say that it's in some way more efficient doing things this way. :2twocents
 
So it's Telstra's asbestos pits today but there are plenty of other such disasters looming. Just wait until something goes bang in a big way at ******** or *********.
I need a bit more of a hint to figure this one out.

As always, an insightful and interesting post.
 
The Australian editorial;
The asbestos issue will undoubtedly play into the policy debate about the NBN's failure to meet its fibre-to-the-premises rollout targets, potential for cost overruns and the political contest over the opposition's cheaper fibre-to-the-node alternative. While engineers re-examine plans it is possible the rollout could be modified in areas where infrastructure is contaminated. This has given Malcolm Turnbull an opportunity to spruik the advantages of his plan to leave much of the copper network in place. "The approach that we're taking would not give rise to these problems, or at least not to anything like the same extent," he says, "because you are not disturbing all of those pits."There is an inherent logic in his argument and we hope that Senator Conroy, having missed earlier opportunities for proper process, will not hesitate to consider the safety and cost benefits of fibre-to-the-node in appropriate areas.

This would be a forlorn hope for an idiot who kicked off a multi-billion dollar project without a cost-benefit analysis,:rolleyes:
 
Comcare has weighed in and spreads the blame,

Comcare said it was actively investigating claims of the improper dumping of asbestos in Ballarat in regional Victoria and had put a Tasmanian contractor on notice for poor standards in training requirements and safety gear.

The federal regulator's chief executive, Paul O'Connor, told a Senate hearing yesterday that 20 incidents of asbestos mishandling at communications pits had been identified since January 1, after only 10 others in the years since 1996.

Mr O'Connor warned of "systemic issues with Telstra and NBN Co" and noted they had shared responsibility for health and safety.

"There can be the case where there is a project like this, the rollout of the National Broadband Network, that the head contractor NBN Co has accountabilities, as does Telstra as the owner of the telecommunications infrastructure, which as we know is legacy infrastructure and does include an amount of asbestos-containing material in communications throughout the country," he said.

Highlighting the health risks, an "operational directive" from NBN contractor Visionstream from September warned subcontractors to assume asbestos was present and not to use high-pressure water spray and compressed air on the materials.

The directive, obtained by The Australian, urges the construction teams to use rods and ropes to install optical fibre cable in the pits and ducts when replacing Telstra's old copper lines.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...r-blames-telstra/story-e6frgaif-1226656563903

My bolds.
 
Some interesting commentary after question time from Malcolm Turnbull in Parliament this afternoon.

He's claimed that the replacement of Telstra's pits has to do with inadequate size for NBN infrastructure. He's also claimed that the same applies to some of the ducts with the latter being NBN Co's responsibility.
 
If what Rob Oakeshott has reported via Twitter as seen at The Register is true then it dead-ends the upgradability of Coalition's NBN for many customers to only whatever upgrades are available to copper technologies. The possibility of customers paying for upgrades to fibre or later the copper being replaced by fibre was a part of the selling point for some economic conservatives.
 
If what Rob Oakeshott has reported via Twitter as seen at The Register is true then it dead-ends the upgradability of Coalition's NBN for many customers to only whatever upgrades are available to copper technologies. The possibility of customers paying for upgrades to fibre or later the copper being replaced by fibre was a part of the selling point for some economic conservatives.
I suspect that Rob Oakeshott might be reading a little too much into the above.
 

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He's claimed that the replacement of Telstra's pits has to do with inadequate size for NBN infrastructure. He's also claimed that the same applies to some of the ducts with the latter being NBN Co's responsibility.
Big fibre cables can't be bent to the same fairly tight radius as copper cables can. So yes, you need some bigger pits unless the cable is just running straight through with no connections etc there.

As for conduit sizes, my experience is that whenever there's an old conduit the odds are fairly high that there's something blocking it. Gravel that got down there somehow, silt due to water ingress, external damage during excavation works that was not properly repaired, dead rats, whatever. And the smaller the conduit, the more easily it gets blocked. If it's metal then add rust to the list of problems too.

And don't get me started on the idiotic idea of putting rubber inside concrete to make a path that way - it's so bad that I always expected to be digging the whole lot up and was pleasantly surprised if the old "conduit" was actually still usable for a new cable. That's not fun, especially when you end up removing a lump of concrete the size of a car.

So in short, there's a practical need to replace at least some of the infrastructure in order to install the new cables. :2twocents
 
Big fibre cables can't be bent to the same fairly tight radius as copper cables can. So yes, you need some bigger pits unless the cable is just running straight through with no connections etc there.
Malcolm Turnbull did offer a specific reason for the size inadequacy of the pits. Hopefully this will appear in Hansard and can be posted tomorrow.
 
I'm sure that Teltra knew about the asbestos in the pits a long, long, long time ago.
 
Some interesting commentary from The Australian,

The asbestos issue again dominated parliamentary question time yesterday, with the opposition challenging Labor's insistence that the issue is not the government's responsibility.

The government has continued to maintain that responsibility for the asbestos in the pits and ducts lies with Telstra.

This is despite the chief executive of Comcare, Paul O'Connor, telling a Senate estimates hearing during the week that the commonwealth would be liable "at a general level". Asbestos lawyers have echoed this by saying that legal liability could also fall back to the commonwealth.

Nevertheless, Julia Gillard has stood firm.

Yesterday she was quoting Telstra chief executive Thodey saying "we own the infrastructure and it's our responsibility" and continued to describe the responsibility as one for Telstra rather than the government.

"Clearly Telstra has stepped up, as is appropriate," the Prime Minister told parliament.

To be sure, the government held a crisis meeting on Monday and Telstra has taken actions including recruiting 200 extra safety specialists.

The paragraph in bold was a specific point that came up during question time in Parliament yesterday. It may explain why Telstra, publically at least, is playing Mr Nice Guy with all of this.

The following point also came up,

But some, including the Coalition and independent senator Nick Xenophon, have likened the situation to the abandoned pink batts scheme that left four workers dead.

Both projects involved big outlays and tight time frames, with the pink batts program having raised concerns that unqualified contractors had installed the batts.

And as was the situation with the pink batts fiasco, questions will continue to mount and the fallout will continue for some time to come.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/how-did-it-happens-again/story-e6frg6z6-1226657318924
 
I do know in the suburb where I live the conduit wouldn't be suitable to run any fibre in. In the late 1980s or early 90s when the lines were moved from above ground to under ground the PVC pipe was simply split up one side so the lines could be slipped in and it was a reasonably small diameter pipe. I have no idea how many other quick and easy fixes have been applied around Australia at the time.
 
The asbestos scare is a godsend to The Communications Electrical Plumbing Union, they will milk it for all it is worth.

UNION leaders are demanding a halt to the National Broadband Network to ensure an end to asbestos exposure as they put forward a plan to dispatch independent assessors across the project to check on the danger to public health.

The union push seeks direct funding from Telstra and the government company building the network, NBN Co, to help federal authorities conduct random safety checks on dozens of subcontractors working on the $37.4 billion project.

The Communications Electrical Plumbing Union, which represents workers at most of the companies and contractors involved in the NBN, is not ruling out industrial action as a last resort to protect workers if its requests are not met by Telstra and NBN Co.

Telstra has stopped work at its sites but NBN Co is yet to do the same amid sharp differences over the two companies' responsibilities for safety breaches that have triggered stop-work orders from federal and state regulators.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...l&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=17300093
 
Malcolm Turnbull did offer a specific reason for the size inadequacy of the pits. Hopefully this will appear in Hansard and can be posted tomorrow.

Further to this point yesterday, it's that the they are too small for the multiport device that the NBN is using for its fibre rollout.

The following from Hansard yesterday is what Malcolm Turnbull had to say about Telstra's pits and ducts,

As of 2009, of course, the NBN was only just established. The company was formed in April 2009, and there was no plan to disturb Telstra's pits. Work was done to replace them from time to time when they had to be repaired, when things broke or when there was some upgrade. But then along came the NBN. The deal between the NBN and Telstra was for the NBN to use all of Telstra's infrastructure””all of its pits and ducts. What has happened is that Telstra has an obligation to upgrade those pits that are too small for the multiport device that the NBN is using for its fibre rollout. Many of these pits””hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of pits””are too small and have to be removed and replaced with a plastic pit. That is Telstra's responsibility to do that work. So you go from a position in 2009 where interference with and disturbance of Telstra's pits was an infrequent occurrence””and it was well known that many did contain asbestos””to the position where virtually every single pit in the country was or was likely or liable to be disturbed in this fashion.

Furthermore, Telstra's ducts””the pipes that carry the various cables, be they copper or fibre, around the country””are filled with copper and in many cases do not have the space to take the new fibre optic cables of the NBN Co., and have to be augmented with new pipes in the ground. That responsibility is actually not Telstra's; that is the NBN Co.'s. If those new pipes have to enter into an existing pit that is made out of fibrocement then of course there is an asbestos issue. The minister, Senator Conroy, was quite wrong yesterday when he said that the asbestos management issue was only an issue for Telstra. It is an issue for the NBN Co. as well. In any event, all of the work that is being done by Telstra is for and on behalf of the NBN Co.

http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2013-06-04.78.2

Turnbull explains how this asbestos issue has been blown out of proportions to a sneering Emma Alberici on Lateline.

http://www.abc.net.au/iview/?gclid=CPKN4d-9y7cCFQQipQodSh4A2g#/view/39583

Malcolm commented specifically about the differences in potential asbestos exposure between the FTTP and FTTN proposals. One specific aspect that the pits are bigger and the pipes wider (to take more copper) where the copper would be replaced with fibre under FTTN. He also commented about the management challenges in ensuring such a large workforce was adequately trained under the FTTP rollout model.

No transcript as yet on the ABC's Lateline site.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3774681.htm
 
Last night's Lateline transcripts are now available from the above link,

First, Malcolm on the issue of a rapidly growing workforce,

EMMA ALBERICI: To never extend it to the premises?

MALCOLM TURNBULL: No, we're saying it's an option, it's an option to do that and it may well be that we'll do that, when I say we'll do that, a future government may do that, who knows, many years into the future. But the point is, the problem with the project at the moment is that you've got so much disturbance happening so quickly all at the same time, 15,000 contractors next year, and it has this resonance with pink batts where you've got a project that has suddenly grown, you've got thousands of contractors all working, of course they should all be following the asbestos management procedures. Of course they should be. But the more people you have doing this stuff, particularly if they're doing it for the first time, just as we saw with the pink batts, the more likely it is you will have people who don't follow the rules to the letter. It becomes a much more difficult management issue. It becomes much more costly and, of course, imposes higher risks and our approach is less costly, faster to deploy and does impose fewer risks because you are disturbing much less asbestos containing material. That's a fact.

Second, on the pits and ducts for FTTN,

EMMA ALBERICI: You intend to build 60,000 nodes on each street corner; won't that require extensive work in Telstra's pits?

MALCOLM TURNBULL: No, I won't actually. Would you like me to explain that? The ducts that go from the exchanges to the distribution points, the pillars, the Telstra pillars that you see in the street are very large because they contain very big binders of copper cable. So pulling a fibre cable through that is very straight forward. It comes into the pit, the pit doesn't have - the pit that's below the pillar doesn't have to be disturbed, it comes through the existing duct, comes through the pit and then you install new electronic device on top of it. I'm not saying that asbestos isn't an issue, Emma, but it is a very limited issue compared to what's happening with Telstra. Now with NBN their pits in the street, the ones that we would not touch, they are currently having to be taken out of the ground, so broken up, destroyed, lifted out and replaced with larger plastic ones and that is what is creating the asbestos disturbance issue. Now that is not a part of our scheme.

My bolds.
 
I always used to think that a few Tasmanian politicians pushed the limits somewhat with their apparent knowledge of all things electric.

But never, ever did I expect to hear senior federal politicians talking about pits, conduit and cable. Never thought I'd hear that, ever. It just sounds too detailed really, and somewhat strange that we've come to this point. I guess that's what happens in a country where real technical knowledge and skills haven't been valued for a generation. :2twocents
 
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