NBN Rollout Scrapped

[sydboy007]

The utility value of capacity relative to cost.

That's a point I've heard someone else make.

I'd argue that it's only a recent development where cheap capacity is reaching the point where we can have the Internet the way we've always wanted it. previously there's been a compromise due to low connection speeds. As the majority of users have faster connections the complexity of web pages can increase. Maybe not always a good thing, but I remember the internet from the early 90s and it was a pain to navigate. Early web pages were quite dull and far less interactive than they are today.

The Southern Cross cable consortium are upgrading the equipment at both ends to double the bandwith currently available. Another upgrade will double it gain within the next year or so. The cost of increase, compared to the original cable install costs, is quite small. Similar cheap capacity increases will be common place now that 100Gbs / wavelength is hitting the market, with 40 to 80 wavelengths / fibre the ultimate end. Huwaweii has been trialling terabit transmission over a single fibre in China, so we've got a LOOOOOONG way to go before we really need to worry about laying much more cable in the ground.

All this means is that the cost of data transmission is on a downward slope because the amount of capacity available is able to increase faster than demand, and the cost of increase is much lower than the initial install cost of capacity.

 

[drsmith]

Telstra has revealed which horse it's backing,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ays-david-thodey/story-e6frgaif-1226666978374

 

[So_Cynical]

Telstra has revealed which horse it's backing,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ays-david-thodey/story-e6frgaif-1226666978374

And the relentless negativity of all things tainted Labor continues....Amazing and news worthy that Telstra thinks its copper network will last another 100 years no mention of the billions NBN Co/Half assed Noalition Co will be paying them to maintain it.

 

[sptrawler]

And the relentless negativity of all things tainted Labor continues....Amazing and news worthy that Telstra thinks its copper network will last another 100 years no mention of the billions NBN Co/Half assed Noalition Co will be paying them to maintain it.

Ah yes negativity, the name for someone who doesn't agree with dumb policy.

Much better to be positive and follow fools blindly.

Reminds me of union meetings I attended.

 

[Smurf1976]

Copper comms cables are still made therefore it is possible to continue maintaining the copper network practically forever.

Whether it is economic and/or sensible to do so is an entirely different question.

 

[NBNMyths]

Telstra has revealed which horse it's backing,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ays-david-thodey/story-e6frgaif-1226666978374

Thodey: "The state's copper network is in good working order and will remain so for generations to come".

I had to check the date to make sure it wasn't April 1.

http://delimiter.com.au/2012/05/01/worst-of-the-worst-photos-of-australias-copper-network/

 

[Calliope]

And the relentless negativity of all things tainted Labor continues....Amazing and news worthy that Telstra thinks its copper network will last another 100 years no mention of the billions NBN Co/Half assed Noalition Co will be paying them to maintain it.

You are not only the ASF's ace trader, but now you are joining Myths as an expert on broadband roll-out. However with the imminent demise of Labor, I detect a touch of hysteria here. You have never been Cynical about all things Labor...So_Gullible.

 

[So_Cynical]

You are not only the ASF's ace trader, but now you are joining Myths as an expert on broadband roll-out. However with the imminent demise of Labor, I detect a touch of hysteria here. You have never been Cynical about all things Labor...So_Gullible.

Labor is gone...ive said it, its fact 100%, Abbott is a tosser ive said it 100% and i cant take it back, Happy?

I doubt it

For you clowns its a right and wrong game, im a true believer, Keating spoke to me when he addressed the true believers back in 1993, its always been about what's right and just and inevitable...your side of politics is about denial and disadvantage.

 

[sails]

Had a phone call from Telstra today to tell us the NBN is coming our way soon and did we want to sign up. I told him I was concerned about land lines going dead in floods and power blackouts - and he told me the old system will still be there and will be used as back-up. I presume that means the copper wire will be left in place. I feel very nervous as anything labor does seems to not be managed well at all....

They have offered a pretty good deal - but will it stay so good? Maybe they are desperate to get people to sign up - I don't know.

Any thoughts?

 

[sails]

......your side of politics is about denial and disadvantage....

SC - that's your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think the opposite that your side of politics is about denial and disadvantage and hopeless management and lies as well.

 

[So_Cynical]

SC - that's your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think the opposite that your side of politics is about denial and disadvantage and hopeless management and lies as well.

Lies like Never ever a GST, or how good is work no choices? the thing is about us leftists is that we can step aside form the political BS and see the reality...how many on the right side of politics were urging Howard to go in 06/07??? how many will urge Abbott to go in 2015/16???

You guys have no vision..its all hindsight with the right, its a rear view vision perspective.

 

[DB008]

Lies like Never ever a GST, or how good is work no choices? the thing is about us leftists is that we can step aside form the political BS and see the reality...how many on the right side of politics were urging Howard to go in 06/07??? how many will urge Abbott to go in 2015/16???

You guys have no vision..its all hindsight with the right, its a rear view vision perspective.

Hey?

Hold on mate. You are surely jesting, are you not?

Lies like Never ever a GST

And then he put it out there before the election.

I think what you meant to type, and somehow hit the wrong keys on your keyboard were...

Lies like Never ever a CARBON TAX

 

[NBNMyths]

Had a phone call from Telstra today to tell us the NBN is coming our way soon and did we want to sign up. I told him I was concerned about land lines going dead in floods and power blackouts - and he told me the old system will still be there and will be used as back-up. I presume that means the copper wire will be left in place. I feel very nervous as anything labor does seems to not be managed well at all....

They have offered a pretty good deal - but will it stay so good? Maybe they are desperate to get people to sign up - I don't know.

Any thoughts?

Telstra's NBN prices are essentially the same as their ADSL prices. There's little chance of them changing significantly, as the NBN wholesale prices are regulated by the ACCC.

Check out any of the other major or minor NBN providers though (There are about 40 of them), and you'll find you can probably save 50-100% on what Telstra want to charge you for the same service. They are at the high end of the market.

The copper will be switched off 18 months after an area is fibered, so eventually it will probably be ripped out for scrap. And you won't really have any choice but to change to the NBN, or move to mobile.

Telstra are the only provider keeping NBN customers on copper for the phone side of their service until the copper is switched off. No idea why, probably to wring the last bit of revenue out of the network (Since they will keep charging you ~$30 line rental for copper, unlike all the other providers who use the NBN for voice and so don't charge line rental).

The NBN does have a battery backup for voice.

 

[drsmith]

You guys have no vision..its all hindsight with the right, its a rear view vision perspective.

Looking skyward is fine, but it does pay to look downwards occasionally as well to make sure your next step isn't into thin air.

 

[NBNMyths]

You guys have no vision..its all hindsight with the right, its a rear view vision perspective.

That's just the conservative way. Never fear though, they almost always lose out to progress in the end. Perhaps kicking and screaming, but they get there eventually.


The positions of today's progressives are those of tomorrow's conservatives.

The positions of today's conservatives are those of tomorrow's comedy, ridicule and incredulity.


Remember that it was only a couple of years ago that the Coalition members said we didn't need an NBN at all, and then that "12Mbps was enough for any application". Now we have them promising an NBN with 23% 1000Mbps FTTP and of 25-50Mbps minimum for the rest.

 

[drsmith]

That's just the conservative way. Never fear though, they almost always lose out to progress in the end. Perhaps kicking and screaming, but they get there eventually.

Within that broader political context, what then is Labor's vision for border security and how does outsourcing immigration to illegal people smugglers fit in with that vision ?

The problem with Labor at the present time is that it's vision is largely about itself. This has been no Hawke/Keating government and their policy outcomes reflect that.

 

[NBNMyths]

Within that broader political context, what then is Labor's vision for border security and how does outsourcing immigration to illegal people smugglers fit in with that vision ?

The problem with Labor at the present time is that it's vision is largely about itself. This has been no Hawke/Keating government and their policy outcomes reflect that.

It's not an issue of border security though. The arrivals are detained. There is no security issue as such.

I'm not concerned about the numbers involved. A few thousand in a country of tens-of-millions is a drop in the ocean, and they don;t add to our total numbers of refugees accepted anyway. I have two concerns though. 1. Arriving by boat is dangerous. People will die unnecessarily; and 2. There are people who have been sitting in camps for a decade waiting for refuge, and I have no doubt that many of the boat arrivals are "jumping" them.


That said, o be honest I don't know what the solution is to people smuggling. I feel for those who would do anything to escape their circumstances and let's be honest, putting yourself in those people's shoes, would you do anything different to what they are doing? Desperate situations call for desperate measures.

There is little difference now between Labor's policy and the Coalition's.... Temporary protection Visas and a plan to turn around boats...

TPV's are very inhumane. Imagine arriving here, building a life for 10 years, having kids etc, then being told "OK, the war's over, back to Sri Lanka for you." That's pretty scummy.

Turning back boats won't work, because it cannot be done if safety is an issue. So the first thing you'd do if on one of those boats is to ensure safety is an issue, by damaging the boat in some way. That's what I'd do.​

As for vision, well since forming Govt we have the NBN, the NDIS, Gonski, 12% super, paid parental leave, e-Health records. All very future-looking/visionary programs and most originally (or still) opposed by the coalition. And all (should they survive) will likely be taken for granted in 20 years time, just as medicare and superannuation are today.

 

[drsmith]

I'm not concerned about the numbers involved. A few thousand in a country of tens-of-millions is a drop in the ocean, and they don;t add to our total numbers of refugees accepted anyway.

Upon reading that comment alone, it's clear you're at a disadvantage on the detail of this specific issue.

If genuinely interested, have a read of the asylum seeker thread. It will fill you in on both what the present situation is and how it has evolved.

 

[NBNMyths]

Telstra has revealed which horse it's backing,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ays-david-thodey/story-e6frgaif-1226666978374

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/6/21/technology/squeezing-life-out-telstras-copper

David Thodey is no doubt an adroit diplomat but the Telstra CEO's comments on the longevity of the copper network highlights that he’s got a good sense of humour as well.

...

In keeping with the spirit of the Thodey’s comments let us examine the 1919 Model-T Ford which has been in operation for nearly 100 years and are still working today. But are they being used by the majority of people? No.

Telstra’s copper network and the Model-T Ford have a lot in common. Both are examples of leading edge technology when they were first created and with careful and timely maintenance, they can both be kept functional.

The Model-T Ford maintains its value by remaining in a pristine “as-new” state. However, if this vehicle was upgraded with a new engine it could go faster but would still provide a rough ride.

If springs were added the vehicle would still be unable to go much faster because the power train was not designed to do so. If the power train was replaced the limitation would be the tyres. Fix the tyres and the problem becomes the brakes. Fix the brakes and….you get the picture.

A Model-T Ford will always remain what it is.

 

[sptrawler]

That's just the conservative way. Never fear though, they almost always lose out to progress in the end. Perhaps kicking and screaming, but they get there eventually.


The positions of today's progressives are those of tomorrow's conservatives.

The positions of today's conservatives are those of tomorrow's comedy, ridicule and incredulity.


Remember that it was only a couple of years ago that the Coalition members said we didn't need an NBN at all, and then that "12Mbps was enough for any application". Now we have them promising an NBN with 23% 1000Mbps FTTP and of 25-50Mbps minimum for the rest.

You will just have to get over it, on 25Mbps, princess leigh and the dark night will kick your butt.
However Australia may save $25B, tough break but we have to move on.