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Gringotts Bank said:
He's a bright guy and seems honest, but so far, not a great coach.
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You're only as good as the cattle you've got grazing around in your field. You can prod them and poke them to encourage them to eat and sleep more, but they're still just the cattle you've been handed. Let's hope the chemist wasn't sprinkling the grass with banned hormones.
 
Oh boy! Just watching the Dank interview now. He has some massive tells. I'd like to play him at poker.

He's a goner. How will the AFL handle this?
 
Gringotts Bank said:
Oh boy! Just watching the Dank interview now. He has some massive tells. I'd like to play him at poker.

He's a goner. How will the AFL handle this?
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In the interview I say, Dank's admitted to nothing.

He stated that (under his watch) no players were administered any banned substances.
 
AND, I am absolutely disgusted by Wilsons and Robinsons reporting of this. New lows in objective journalism.

They have both gone to the bottom of the pile in terms of quality AFL commentators.

Both are extremely annoying and over rated as it is, but this takes the cake.

They will cop it from the 'real' AFL fraternity once this gets resolved. Why would anyone speak to them after this?

I'm looking forward to an unreserved apology once James in absolved of responsibility, and completely exonerated of any wrong doing.
 
It's a joke using the Australian Crime Commission to investigate whether some players may or may not be using performance enhancing drugs. They have highly coercive powers and were set up to investigate organised crime etc. Bet you they will be highlighting this investigation when they ask for more money for their budget.
 
banco said:
It's a joke using the Australian Crime Commission to investigate whether some players may or may not be using performance enhancing drugs. They have highly coercive powers and were set up to investigate organised crime etc. Bet you they will be highlighting this investigation when they ask for more money for their budget.
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There's a lot of money in sport and sport is in the DNA of our culture so I understand why money is spent on keeping it clean. However, I agree, what if the money spent on this little escapade was spent on analysing the effort of really harmful substances like alcohol and tobacco and controlling that a little better? They are the real killers of our society, not some drug that makes you recover quicker from exercise!
 
kennas said:
There's a lot of money in sport and sport is in the DNA of our culture so I understand why money is spent on keeping it clean. However, I agree, what if the money spent on this little escapade was spent on analysing the effort of really harmful substances like alcohol and tobacco and controlling that a little better? They are the real killers of our society, not some drug that makes you recover quicker from exercise!
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It's not just the money. If you get interviewed by the ACC you have no right to silence and you can't tell anyone you were interviewed etc. They got those powers years ago on the understanding they'd be going after underbelly types not steroid users.
 
what if the money spent on this little escapade was spent on analysing the effort of really harmful substances like alcohol and tobacco

Pretty sure these two substances have been studied to death already, we all know they are bad for us, more study wouldn't make anyone smarter on health implications relating to tobacco and grog.

A fair chunk of money does need to be spent investigating drugs in sport IMO, otherwise this "Great Sporting Nation" could soon be looked at as a joke (in regards to competitive sports), and we as a country could lose support from both locals and international supporters/sponsors, and the fans start treating our sporting codes as a joke.
The investigative bodies involved in this (ACC, police, pollies, AFL, ACB, NRL etc) need to be seen to be doing all they can to clean all this **** up - the possible loss of money through less local and international support for Australian Sports long term (if we are seen as "dirty" by fans and sponsors) would far outweigh any monetary outlay in 2013 for this investigation.

Just how I see it all. IMO whoever is found "guilty" - be it a person, club or code - if the penalties aren't harsh enough, Joe Public will see it all as a joke. This coming from an Essendon Fan - If guilty I'm all for them either getting a ban for a period of time, or relegated to the VFL for a season or three, would keep them playing AND help local level footy as well.
 
Duckman#72 said:
Come on nomores. Have you been reading the latest developments? This has gone way past being a problem just for the Essendon Football Club.

I fully agree with Kennas. People have gone way over the top considering much of the "evidence" is just rumour. Even the "waiver" that keeps getting mentioned could be nothing more than a "consent" form.

Essendon possibly were naive in not fully understanding the power they had entrusted in their fitness department BUT, the developments of the last couple of days suggest the same naivety exists over the much of the Australian sporting landscape. The EFC were only following on from a methodology that Geelong used for success.

The new AFL rules and regulations surrounding "sports science" hasn't been introduced for the EFC - it has been coming for a long time. Patrick Smith mentioned in his article a few day ago that the trend of having the best "sports science" department started 10 years ago with Leigh Matthews and the Lions. He made a famous comment, "if it makes us .01% better, we will do it". Remember when the Lions chartered planes to fly at low altitudes back to Brisbane. Remember Brisbane was the first club to instal a hyperoxic chamber in the club house. And remember when the Lions ran out on the field with bandages on their arms covering the plastic stints in their arms. That was so they could get saline drips put in at half time. This was all happening more than 10 years ago.

Thankfully the era of the wild west in sports science looks like coming to an end, and while I will not be unhappy to see "the weapon" and " the pharmacist" leave Essendon, I feel that the Bombers are the team paying the price for what the majority of teams are doing.

Duckman
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Duckman, we may have got wires crossed here.

My post was actually stating that I don't think any charges will end up being leveled against Essendon. I also think it has just been a big media beat up in regards to the whole ACC thing, especially for the AFL.

So far only 1 AFL player has raised suspicions. And we already knew about the investigation into Essendon. NRL might be in more trouble but I'm not sure much will come of that either.

My comments regarding poor management on the part of the Bombers stand though. They put the club into a bad position where they had to go to the powers that be because they don't know for certain what was injected or supplied to their players. I think Essendon lost the handle a little bit on what was going on within their strength and conditioning program, which may have/could have serious consequences for the club and its players. IMO someone needs to be answerable for that, even if nothing comes of the investigation.
 
kennas said:
AND, I am absolutely disgusted by Wilsons and Robinsons reporting of this. New lows in objective journalism.

They have both gone to the bottom of the pile in terms of quality AFL commentators.

Both are extremely annoying and over rated as it is, but this takes the cake.

They will cop it from the 'real' AFL fraternity once this gets resolved. Why would anyone speak to them after this?

I'm looking forward to an unreserved apology once James in absolved of responsibility, and completely exonerated of any wrong doing.
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I have never rated either Wilson or Robinson as decent journalists, both love rumours and ambulance chasing IMO.

I am really starting to think this is a huge storm in a teacup and I'm really sick of it. Hope it all blows over and Essendon don't suffer unfairly. I did think the 'parents meeting' at Essendon was a OTT though, what are they, kindergarten kids? Was Dustin Fletcher's mum and dad there? ;)
 
I'm getting sick of these sorts of cop-outs.

The Herald Sun is not suggesting Bombers players did use performance-enhancing drugs
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After laying out a whole bunch of speculation, innuendo and no evidence, OBVIOUSLY suggesting the players and officials had done the wrong thing they use this as a means of protecting themselves legally.

It's a disgrace!! :mad:

And, guess who?

Angry Mark Robinson, trying to make a story.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...-anzac-day-clash/story-e6frf9jf-1226576536478
 
kennas said:
I'm getting sick of these sorts of cop-outs.



After laying out a whole bunch of speculation, innuendo and no evidence, OBVIOUSLY suggesting the players and officials had done the wrong thing they use this as a means of protecting themselves legally.

It's a disgrace!! :mad:

And, guess who?

Angry Mark Robinson, trying to make a story.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...-anzac-day-clash/story-e6frf9jf-1226576536478
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Yes and Patrick Smith is acting like a lover scorned. If I have to read one more time how Essendon mismanaged the Sheedy/knights handover I'll scream!

This whole thing is starting to look ridiculous. The "blackest day in sport" is starting to look more like a mild shade of beige.

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
Yes and Patrick Smith is acting like a lover scorned. If I have to read one more time how Essendon mismanaged the Sheedy/knights handover I'll scream!

This whole thing is starting to look ridiculous. The "blackest day in sport" is starting to look more like a mild shade of beige.

Duckman
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And a matter which has been under consideration, apparently, for about a year, and suddenly brought to the attention of the public via a news conference urgently called by two government ministers.
It must, of course, be just coincidence that such a diversion of the media occurred at a time when there was maximum heat on the government via the ICAC hearings and other stuff ups.

Now it seems to all be just a bit of nothing much at all. Doesn't matter, I guess. The purpose of diverting attention from the government has been served by the gullible press gallery, as always.
 
Not one police investigation.

Not ONE!

And yet, the government ministers call a press conference to say it's diabolical. Just what are these two ministers trying to do? What are their motives?

Is this another Pink Bat?

:banghead:
 
Starting to look a bit overblown isn't it. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, as it were. The alleged improprieties didn't seem to help the club much.

The season will be well underway before the authorities conclude their investigations, so the news focus will shift back to actual footy.
 
I think the ministers involved saw the enormous media fuss surrounding Armstrong and thought they would like to see if they could do the same. Like when a kid comes to school and mixes Mentos with Diet Coke. "Oh man!!! I want to do that too!!"
 
kennas said:
Not one police investigation.

Not ONE!

And yet, the government ministers call a press conference to say it's diabolical. Just what are these two ministers trying to do? What are their motives?
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It was a 100% successful diversion from all the media attention on the multiple government stuff-ups. Up until then, the ICAC enquiry was lead item in news and considerable focus directed to Conroy and Burke having accepted accommodation at the Obeid ski resort, thus extending the malodorous affair to Canberra rather than confining it to NSW. Then the MRRT clearly being another abject failure. Etc etc.

So why not call an urgent and important sounding news conference to deliver shocking information that will, they suggest, turn the sporting world upside down, such will be the massive ramifications/prosecutions etc.
Never mind that the investigation has been going on for a year or so.

The press gallery, like the puppets they are, dutifully swarmed all over it, displacing what was formerly directing such unwanted attention on the government.

Looks like another pretty successful red herring by the government.
 
Although I don't particularly like this 'weapon' character (I blame him for the soft tissue injuries) he must be absolutely devastated by this, if he's innocent. Suspended pending outcome of an investigation, that may take months, he must be sitting at home wondering WTF! Or, of course, he knows he's cocked up and he's hanging on a noose. All because the ministers needed to divert attention from their train wreck of a political party. Criminal.
 
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