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The overall response to this is farcical.

Every single person in the universe is jumping to conclusions.

Calm down people!

Even the AFL Players Association President (who you would expect to be measured and professional about this) is crying foul like some red headed trade unionist.

"The evidence in the report is that players have undergone clinical trials so underdeveloped that the substances have not even been placed on the international drug lists,"
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"These players have been used as guinea pigs. These are damning findings.
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"They must co-operate and they will receive the independent advice and good counsel they clearly did not receive last year."
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I don't really know what this means:

"You just can't have the wool pulled over your eyes by guys with a specific skill," said Finnis. "It is a specific skill but not a skill I believe we need to avail ourselves of. Whilst clearly athletes must take responsibility and some high degree of culpability, it is simply disgraceful that these athletes have been caught up in illegal and experimental substance abuse."
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THIS HASN'T BEEN INVESTIGATED YET!!!

Does he have red hair?
 
kennas said:
The overall response to this is farcical.

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The media are salivating, the only thing that concerns me is if organised crime is involed but the only way you'll ever know is to watch the ABC where they try to keep the hysterics to a minimum.
 
MrBurns said:
The media are salivating, the only thing that concerns me is if organised crime is involed but the only way you'll ever know is to watch the ABC where they try to keep the hysterics to a minimum.
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So you don't feel concerned about doping in sport if it doesn't derive from organised crime?
(I might be misunderstanding what you said above.)
 
Julia said:
So you don't feel concerned about doping in sport if it doesn't derive from organised crime?
(I might be misunderstanding what you said above.)
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I was just cutting to the chase, doping is bad alright but doping with organised crime involved in another level of seriousness entirely.
 
I'm so sick of this already, Ch 7 had 4 poor reporters at 4 separate sports grounds reporting on the "latest" there is no damn latest, they just go over the whole thing ad nauseum.

This is the best thing to happen to the Labor party in weeks, we dont even know who's been charged with corruption this week.
 
MrBurns said:
I'm so sick of this already, Ch 7 had 4 poor reporters at 4 separate sports grounds reporting on the "latest" there is no damn latest, they just go over the whole thing ad nauseum.

This is the best thing to happen to the Labor party in weeks, we dont even know who's been charged with corruption this week.
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A lot of hand waiving at the moment.
Where are the arrests now the cat's out of the bag?

Back to the Bombers.
What's the best case scenario at the moment?
Assuming they're all clean, what will the sloppy administration (medical) cost them?
 
MrBurns said:
I'm so sick of this already, Ch 7 had 4 poor reporters at 4 separate sports grounds reporting on the "latest" there is no damn latest, they just go over the whole thing ad nauseum.

This is the best thing to happen to the Labor party in weeks, we dont even know who's been charged with corruption this week.
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I'm sick of it too. If I see Andrew Demetriou huffing and puffing with his "We will get you" threats one more time I think I'll scream! If organised crime is involved I bet they're shaking in their boots :rolleyes: I agree they are just rehashing and chest beating.

I don't think anything too bad will happen to Essendon, if it was going to it would have happened by now. Roll on season 2013 and we can enjoy some actual footy!
 
Am I right that the lab results won't be complete for a few weeks? It's quite possible that the substances used were legal.

The club doctor would have known about this and condoned it. Why has no one interviewed Bruce Reid yet?
 
Miss Hale said:
I'm sick of it too. If I see Andrew Demetriou huffing and puffing with his "We will get you" threats one more time I think I'll scream! If organised crime is involved I bet they're shaking in their boots :rolleyes: I agree they are just rehashing and chest beating.

I don't think anything too bad will happen to Essendon, if it was going to it would have happened by now. Roll on season 2013 and we can enjoy some actual footy!
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Demetriou gets paid over $2.2m PA, I'd like to know what for, maybe they should investigage that.
 
Quite frankly, I've been wondering for a few years now WHEN this would blow up.
Surely, with betting websites becoming ubiquitous and "sponsoring" major events to the point that even commentators slip in the odds of who will kick the first goal, make the fastest 50, lose the fewest sets... Blind Freddy must have known that "organised crime" would be involved.

And Nick X is still debating whether pokies should be limited. :confused:

"D'Oh!" :banghead:
 
Hird sure looks like an idiot. I don't think he has much of an idea about people.

"The Weapon" (Robinson) caused chaos with injuries.

Now "The Pharmacist" (Dank) pushing players into taking supplements they don't want to take. Whether they're legal or not, he caused a stir when none was needed.

Imagine employing these twits?? Hird was so desperate to win that he forced players to train far too hard and take **** they didn't need or want. Hird has to go (lol...imagine that!! :rolleyes:). But seriously, he's at fault here.
 
nomore4s said:
I hope you are right Kennas, but as more info comes out it is looking like dodgy practices were under taken by the EFC. The main problem is there appears to have been rumours around for a while in regards to this matter and I think it would have all hit the fan sooner or later even if Reimers didn't blow the whistle.

I think there will be no evidence that anything illegal was given to the players and there will be no charges laid but it doesn't excuse some of the poor practices put in place by the EFC. They really opened themselves up to very real threats to the whole organization. If it is found the substances injected were illegal it could get very ugly for everyone involved, especially the players.

I really feel for the players as they truly have done nothing wrong and if the reports are correct raised concerns at the time and were pretty much pressured into complying while being assured everything was above board. It will the the players who pay the biggest price if they were injected with illegal substances, so I really hope nothing comes of this. But either way heads should roll in the upper echelons of the EFC. Some very naive and ill thought out practices put into place in the search of quick success.
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Come on nomores. Have you been reading the latest developments? This has gone way past being a problem just for the Essendon Football Club.

I fully agree with Kennas. People have gone way over the top considering much of the "evidence" is just rumour. Even the "waiver" that keeps getting mentioned could be nothing more than a "consent" form.

Essendon possibly were naive in not fully understanding the power they had entrusted in their fitness department BUT, the developments of the last couple of days suggest the same naivety exists over the much of the Australian sporting landscape. The EFC were only following on from a methodology that Geelong used for success.

The new AFL rules and regulations surrounding "sports science" hasn't been introduced for the EFC - it has been coming for a long time. Patrick Smith mentioned in his article a few day ago that the trend of having the best "sports science" department started 10 years ago with Leigh Matthews and the Lions. He made a famous comment, "if it makes us .01% better, we will do it". Remember when the Lions chartered planes to fly at low altitudes back to Brisbane. Remember Brisbane was the first club to instal a hyperoxic chamber in the club house. And remember when the Lions ran out on the field with bandages on their arms covering the plastic stints in their arms. That was so they could get saline drips put in at half time. This was all happening more than 10 years ago.

Thankfully the era of the wild west in sports science looks like coming to an end, and while I will not be unhappy to see "the weapon" and " the pharmacist" leave Essendon, I feel that the Bombers are the team paying the price for what the majority of teams are doing.

Duckman
 
I am no doubt being biased here but if it was an interstate team aka WCE or Freo there would be lynch mobs riding out from Melbourne and high noon hangings.

Essendon look guilty as hell, everyone and I do mean everyone at the club in the training staff would have known. For what ever reason it looks like a real blunder and are now in damage control.

Deal has already been done with the AFL Mafia.

At worse there will be some poor joker offered up for blame and a few slapped wrists at most.
 
Front page of everything this morning. Even The Fin.

This is just media schadenfreude overflow.

At this stage I just refuse to believe that James Hird would allow anything close to illegal occur under his watch. The man is beyond reproach. If he was born 2047 years ago we'd be calling 25 Dec Hirdmas.
 
This thread is starting to look like the PEN thread. Two camps at either end of the spectrum and NO ground given either way.

I've seen it many a time, eg PEN, RED, Lance Fraudstrong, TA vs Fundie, short selling, House prices.....

Now EFC doping!!!! :eek:
 
It's a bit like musical chairs. The music stopped and EFC has been left standing up.

Let's hope for the club's sake it isn't scapegoated too harshly. Will EFC get the Melbourne Storm treatment. Disheartening to be playing for no comp points, but I suppose a heavy fine is more likely.

That said, Essendon are entitled to the presumption of innocence here, and their day in court.
 
kennas said:
Front page of everything this morning. Even The Fin.
At this stage I just refuse to believe that James Hird would allow anything close to illegal occur under his watch. The man is beyond reproach. If he was born 2047 years ago we'd be calling 25 Dec Hirdmas.
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I agree, he is one of the few, very greats , and as straight as they come.
 
MrBurns said:
I agree, he is one of the few, very greats , and as straight as they come.
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He's a bright guy and seems honest, but so far, not a great coach. As former greats, coaches often demand everyone plays at the level they were capable of, and that's a recipe for disaster. While you want players to play to their best, it's just not possible for them to play beyond their natural limits. Buckley continues to make this error with his group. Too demanding. Can't do what Malthouse did with virtually identical list.

Could have made a packet as a broker, I've heard.
 
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