Tony Abbott for PM

[sptrawler]

As l have asked previously in another thread, "is Gillard and Co. asleep at the wheel?" l have come to the conclusion that, "there isn't even anyone at the wheel, let alone in the car!"

Well danny, they have managed to bring in a new company tax(resource tax) a new consumer tax(carbon tax i.e electricity tax). They have also increased your marginal tax rates, increased the pension age to 67 years old, reduced what older people can put into their superannuation, to make sure they can't retire early.
Also given themselves a 50% payrise and proportional pension rise, who is the goose?

 

[DB008]

Well danny, they have managed to bring in a new company tax(resource tax) a new consumer tax(carbon tax i.e electricity tax). They have also increased your marginal tax rates, increased the pension age to 67 years old, reduced what older people can put into their superannuation, to make sure they can't retire early.
Also given themselves a 50% payrise and proportional pension rise, who is the goose?

Yes, so true. Goes against their ethos, doesn't it? Feed oneself first....

 

[JTLP]

Hi Danny,

That blog was vomit inducing. I fall into the age bracket and bang my head against the wall when I see/read/hear from these types. The things they do to just 'scrape by' in society and 'fight the money' is so nauseating. Why people don't want to better themselves and society instead of living day to day and with palm outstretched for a handout is beyond me. The fact they mention Che Guevarra is probably more to look 'cool' than to know what he actually did/stood for.

 

[white_goodman]

Here is a left-wing blog of what '18-30' year old 'hipsters/uni grads/douche-bags' think of Tony Abbott. Obviously they have selected/highlighted quotes of his. However, they are not alone. A lot of people in this age bracket think the same. Scary.

16 Quotes From Tony Abbott to Remind You Why He Shouldn’t Be Prime Minister

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Ok, Abbott might not be the most suitable candidate to run for the Libs, but have a look at what has happened the last few years with the Rudd and Gillard partnership. Tax this, tax that. Lets all gather around, light a match and watch the MRRT go up in smoke as we tax the Golden Goose that kept us afloat during the GFC...

As l have asked previously in another thread, "is Gillard and Co. asleep at the wheel?" l have come to the conclusion that, "there isn't even anyone at the wheel, let alone in the car!"

they think they are the norm for our age group? they are massive social outcasts, its the inner city Sydney uni arts student type that annoys the hell out of me, they are products of the participation trophy childhood, the massive sense of entitlement is mind boggling. They call themselves hipsters, being poor and of sub-par intellect aint 'hip'

 

[JTLP]

they think they are the norm for our age group? they are massive social outcasts, its the inner city Sydney uni arts student type that annoys the hell out of me, they are products of the participation trophy childhood, the massive sense of entitlement is mind boggling. They call themselves hipsters, being poor and of sub-par intellect aint 'hip'

+ A MILLION!

Part of the reason society isn't evolving as fast; natural selection outlawed has meant these leeches survive.

 

[DB008]

white_goodman and JTLP, spot on. I also fall into this 'bracket', Gen X + Y.

 

[sptrawler]

Well I read the 16 quotes and thought, if you sit back a bit,take a deep breath and think about the quote in context. Well maybe he's right.

 

[sails]

Well I read the 16 quotes and thought, if you sit back a bit,take a deep breath and think about the quote in context. Well maybe he's right.

Yes, agree - some of those quotes are taken a bit out of context, but generally Abbott seems to be speaking out for the majority of Aussies...

 

[Miss Hale]

They are being a bit cute with some of those quotes too. Abbott ever said "Climate change is crap" and if you go to the sources linked to it's Kerry O'Brien who says Abbott said this, there is no direct source for this statement.

 

[Julia]

Craig Emerson is the worst offender in this regard. I can't think of an example right now, but he has paraphrased several of Tony Abbott's comments, moved the context, and triumphantly spouted something that was quite different from the original remark.

 

[Calliope]

They are being a bit cute with some of those quotes too. Abbott ever said "Climate change is crap" and if you go to the sources linked to it's Kerry O'Brien who says Abbott said this, there is no direct source for this statement.

You are quite right Miss Hale. He said the argument on climate change was "absolute crap." It is pity he backed down later saying he was using a "bit of hyperbole" because that's what the Beaufort farmers wanted to hear.

In the fourth paragraph of Wilson's article, he quoted Abbott as saying, "The argument is absolute crap. However, the politics of this are tough for us. Eighty per cent of people believe climate change is a real and present danger."

Wilson says Abbott made the comment "fairly passionately" and "he certainly wasn't on his own in the room that night".

Since his election as Liberal leader, Abbott has described his use of "crap" as "a bit of hyperbole" and not his "considered position" and said it was made "in the context of a very heated discussion where I was attempting to argue people around to what I thought was then our position".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/pol...-the-temperature/story-e6frgczf-1225809567009

 

[Miss Hale]

I look forward to this blog listing "16 quotes from Julia Gillard To Remind You why She Shouldn't Be Prime Minister", starting with

"He’s just a big Greek bull**** artist"

and

"The fence was hideous, so I got him back to make it look, dare I say, less Greek"

Surely the owners of this bog will be completely outraged by these politically incorrect statements

 

[IFocus]

You are quite right Miss Hale. He said the argument on climate change was "absolute crap." It is pity he backed down later saying he was using a "bit of hyperbole" because that's what the Beaufort farmers wanted to hear.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/pol...-the-temperature/story-e6frgczf-1225809567009

Oh so it wasn't scripted then...........Abbott was beaten up in the house of reps repeatedly over this comment because of his flip flopping over what suited his ambitions.

 

[Tannin]

Squirm as much as you like. Deny, pretend, distort, lie if you need to .....



....... but you can't change the facts. Abbot, out of his own mouth.

(And this is the man some people want to make Prime Minister. Go figure.)

 

[Miss Hale]

iFocus, Tannin, the point I was making was that they put the sentence "Climate change is absolute crap" in quotation marks as if it is what he actually said even though they reference they linked to didn't even have this quote. I think he said something like "It's crap" (which as Calliope pointed out refers to the argument). The compilers of the list were being loose with the truth.

I would actually be happy if Abbott did say climate change is crap since it is.

 

[Tannin]

You can play with evasions all you like, but the fact is that Abbott said what he said. That is on the public record and cannot be denied. His exact statement was that the argument postulating climate change was "crap". Pretending that he didn't say that is laughably absurd. Pretending that he actually said something other than what he did say is equally crazy.

 

[sptrawler]

You can play with evasions all you like, but the fact is that Abbott said what he said. That is on the public record and cannot be denied. His exact statement was that the argument postulating climate change was "crap". Pretending that he didn't say that is laughably absurd. Pretending that he actually said something other than what he did say is equally crazy.

Would that be like the crazy, throwing away of money to get people to buy (what is now 4 year old plasma technology t,v's). That was going to save the retail sector the problem is all these welfare recipients, can't afford to run the plasma due to electricity price rises.
But wait, you say we gave them compensation, for that also, but they have already spent it before the bills come in.
Yes if labor can keep the drip feed going, as well as blowing out the budget, we will have Keating's banana republic.LOL

What Abbott said or didn't say matters jack $hit to peoples lives, what the goon show has done will cost us all 'big time'.

 

[Miss Hale]

You can play with evasions all you like, but the fact is that Abbott said what he said. That is on the public record and cannot be denied. His exact statement was that the argument postulating climate change was "crap". Pretending that he didn't say that is laughably absurd. Pretending that he actually said something other than what he did say is equally crazy.

I'm not evading anything. The fact is Abbott has been misquoted. He never uttered the words "Climate change is absolute crap". That is all I was pointing out, that this blog is printing things in quotatation marks that are not actual quotes. I'm not pretending anything.

What Abbott means with what he actually said is not the point I'm trying to make. Just pointing out this blog is not accurate with their quotes.

 

[sptrawler]

I'm not evading anything. The fact is Abbott has been misquoted. He never uttered the words "Climate change is absolute crap". That is all I was pointing out, that this blog is printing things in quotatation marks that are not actual quotes. I'm not pretending anything.

What Abbott means with what he actually said is not the point I'm trying to make. Just pointing out this blog is not accurate with their quotes.

Don't you think there is a bigger issue (like the deficit) it seems to me we are getting caught up debating was,wasn't,won't,wouldn't.
It is a bit like the other day when front page news was "It wasn't a trust fund it was a slush fund". Who gives a rats ar$e it was theft of union members funds.OMG

 

[drsmith]

I would actually be happy if Abbott did say climate change is crap since it is.

Climate change is real.

It's using it as an excuse to increase taxes I don't like.

You can play with evasions all you like, but the fact is that Abbott said what he said. That is on the public record and cannot be denied. His exact statement was that the argument postulating climate change was "crap". Pretending that he didn't say that is laughably absurd. Pretending that he actually said something other than what he did say is equally crazy.

When it comes to politicians telling lies, it's going to be relative in the eyes of the electorate.