Tony Abbott for PM

[sptrawler]

Gillard like Howard has made herself available to the media for scrutiny at all times.

She is also a very able in the media spot light and as PM its a must have ability.

When Rudd was opposition leader he actively hunted the media down, Abbott actively runs away.

Have to agree with you IFocus, I thought Abbott would have become more polished. It is either he hasn't got it, or he isn't surrounding himself with the right people.
One thing that is becomming obvious, being a lawyer and being able to talk endless crap and say nothing, is a definite advantage.
I didn't realise Roxon was one as well, just shows where the labor party is going, they are full of it.

 

[Calliope]

Gillard says the opposition is "pathetic." She is right. No wonder she's crowing. They had her on toast and they let her slither away. They left it to the Media to bring her to justice, and now she has the Media eating out of her hand.

 

[joea]

Gillard says the opposition is "pathetic." She is right. No wonder she's crowing. They had her on toast and they let her slither away. They left it to the Media to bring her to justice, and now she has the Media eating out of her hand.

See you all in the after life.
You are like the crowd in trading.
Best wishes to you all !!
joea

 

[sptrawler]

See you all in the after life.
You are like the crowd in trading.
Best wishes to you all !!
joea

Hey joea, don't get too out of shape, it is only a forum to discuss issues.
Even IFocus and drsmith are finding common ground, which just shows two smart guys working through the issues.
Labor will be thrown out of office, it has been too traumatic for everyone, pink batts, school canteens, etc
However the coalition does have to put forward a viable alternative, it has been easy with labor blowing their feet off. But if you think they are going to lay down and throw the last quarter your dreaming, you have already seen how nasty this bunch can get.
It will test Abbott, also Joe and Malcolm need to swap portfolios, if they don't I feel Abbott isn't going to be able to hand ball any of the work.
Turnbull could chew up Swan and Jolly Joe would make Conroy look just what he is.
But Joea don't chuck in the towel, I think your posts are great. Don't forget this is the party that parachutes in any celebrity to win a seat and in doing so erodes the very supporter base it represents.LOL

 

[drsmith]

Just to let you know I wouldn't vote for either Abbott or Gillard at this stage. I don't believe in the lessor of two evils or such theories.

Who would you vote for ?

Not those god awful Greens I hope.

 

[Ves]

Who would you vote for ?

Not those god awful Greens I hope.

No - in short, I would probably exercise my discretion to pick none of them. I have never really seen the point of voting just for the sake of putting a number next to someone that I was not happy with.

It's a tough gig, but I am always hopeful that someone stands out in the next 18 months, whether they be incumbent or a new selection.

As dishonorable as this probably seems to most - I feel it is honest at the very least.

 

[drsmith]

Gillard says the opposition is "pathetic." She is right. No wonder she's crowing. They had her on toast and they let her slither away. They left it to the Media to bring her to justice, and now she has the Media eating out of her hand.

To me, the Coalition was right to be cautious on the Slater & Gordon thing.

Malcolm Turmbull was too keen to jump in both feet first and look what happened to him.

 

[drsmith]

Hey joea, don't get too out of shape, it is only a forum to discuss issues.
Even IFocus and drsmith are finding common ground, which just shows two smart guys working through the issues.

I'm happy IF can have a day in the sun.

He doesn't get many at the moment.

Labor will be thrown out of office, it has been too traumatic for everyone, pink batts, school canteens, etc
However the coalition does have to put forward a viable alternative, it has been easy with labor blowing their feet off. But if you think they are going to lay down and throw the last quarter your dreaming, you have already seen how nasty this bunch can get.

Spot on.

Nothing of substance has changed.

As dishonorable as this probably seems to most - I feel it is honest at the very least.

While I understand how you feel, I would always vote for someone.

For me, to sit over the keyboard and bang on about politics and then vote informal would be like going to every footy game for the season and missing the Grand Final.

There's always the Sex Party.

 

[Julia]

Please supply the video of Tony Abbott actively running away from the media.
You are one of the posters that is full of crap.
Go back in your hole with a bottle of stale beer.
joea

That's rather unreasonable, isn't it, joe? No need to make a personal attack on someone whose view differs from yours. I don't know how the numbers would stack up but I'd be surprised, if a tally was made of how often Julia Gillard has made herself available for full interview (as distinct from a sound bite) on a serious media program compared with Tony Abbott, she hadn't fronted up many, many more times than Mr Abbott.
And given his woeful performance on 7.30 a few nights ago, one can understand why he's reluctant to make himself so available.

Gillard like Howard has made herself available to the media for scrutiny at all times.

She is also a very able in the media spot light and as PM its a must have ability.

When Rudd was opposition leader he actively hunted the media down, Abbott actively runs away.

Let's not hold Mr Rudd up as some sort of shining ideal. He was a worse media junkie than Peter Beattie in Qld.

Gillard says the opposition is "pathetic." She is right. No wonder she's crowing. They had her on toast and they let her slither away. They left it to the Media to bring her to justice, and now she has the Media eating out of her hand.

100% correct summary. She comes out on top when she takes an aggressive initiative as she did a couple of days ago.

Hey joea, don't get too out of shape, it is only a forum to discuss issues.
Even IFocus and drsmith are finding common ground, which just shows two smart guys working through the issues.
Labor will be thrown out of office, it has been too traumatic for everyone, pink batts, school canteens, etc
However the coalition does have to put forward a viable alternative, it has been easy with labor blowing their feet off. But if you think they are going to lay down and throw the last quarter your dreaming, you have already seen how nasty this bunch can get.
It will test Abbott, also Joe and Malcolm need to swap portfolios, if they don't I feel Abbott isn't going to be able to hand ball any of the work.

Agree on all your above points. But if Mr Abbott doesn't lift his game, he will be left in the starting blocks.
Gillard, once she tastes the upper hand (which she is at the moment) has the capacity to make significant inroads into the Libs' lead.

I might be quite wrong, but I think that unless the carbon tax can actually be demonstrated in % terms to be making a substantial difference to prices to consumers, Mr Abbott's previously successful campaign against it will be seen to be invalid. As I've suggested before, it's going to be extremely difficult for anyone to clearly point out just the proportion of any price rise that's attributable to the tax.
e.g. here in Qld at least vegetable prices have gone up exponentially in the last few weeks, more than doubled in many cases. Is some of this attributable to the carbon tax? We have no idea, but probably more likely just the usual supply and demand.

No - in short, I would probably exercise my discretion to pick none of them. I have never really seen the point of voting just for the sake of putting a number next to someone that I was not happy with.

It's a tough gig, but I am always hopeful that someone stands out in the next 18 months, whether they be incumbent or a new selection.

As dishonorable as this probably seems to most - I feel it is honest at the very least.

+1. Completely agree. I feel the same.

 

[IFocus]

No - in short, I would probably exercise my discretion to pick none of them. I have never really seen the point of voting just for the sake of putting a number next to someone that I was not happy with.

It's a tough gig, but I am always hopeful that someone stands out in the next 18 months, whether they be incumbent or a new selection.

As dishonorable as this probably seems to most - I feel it is honest at the very least.

I normally focus on local members.

I don't expect the polls to change to much the election is still the Coalitions to lose but its starting to look like (hopefully) Labor wont get smashed and Abbott almost certainly wont get the senate if he keeps up his normal form.

Everyone is just starting to line up stating the obvious

Lack of carnage Abbott's inconvenient fiscal truth

Perhaps, instead of searching for signs of carbon tax devastation, the Coalition leader could explain how he would deal with a slowing mining boom, or how he would reform the regulation of the electricity industry, or how his own ''Direct Action'' policy - in its present form regarded with incredulity in the business community - could be made to work. It would be better than insulting our collective intelligence with his wrecking ball mantra.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...iscal-truth-20120824-24rkr.html#ixzz24VXVJShE

 

[Calliope]

100% correct summary. She comes out on top when she takes an aggressive initiative as she did a couple of days ago.

Agree on all your above points. But if Mr Abbott doesn't lift his game, he will be left in the starting blocks.
Gillard, once she tastes the upper hand (which she is at the moment) has the capacity to make significant inroads into the Libs' lead.

Abbott's biggest failing as a politician, viz-a-viz Gillard, is that he is not comfortable when he is lying. His body language gives him away every time. Gillard on the other hand is an accomplished liar. She can stand there for an hour and lie her reptillian head off to an adoring press gallery, confounding them with legal jargon, such as 'trust fund" is defamatory and "slush fund" is not.

Abbott's problem with lying is that he was raised on a Christian ethical system. Gillard of course has no such handicap.

It is ironic that in our political system the most accomplished liar has "the upper hand."

 

[drsmith]

Abbott's biggest failing as a politician, viz-a-viz Gillard, is that he is not comfortable when he is lying. His body language gives him away every time. Gillard on the other hand is an accomplished liar. She can stand there for an hour and lie her reptillian head off to an adoring press gallery, confounding them with legal jargon, such as 'trust fund" is defamatory and "slush fund" is not.

If he limited his exaggerations to only when absolutely necessary as a matter of principal, he would find himself in bother a lot less. Specifically, the carbon tax over time will largely speak for itself.

He should stick to playing the government's weaknesses (which ar many) and not focusing attention on his own.

 

[drsmith]

I don't expect the polls to change to much the election is still the Coalitions to lose but its starting to look like (hopefully) Labor wont get smashed and Abbott almost certainly wont get the senate if he keeps up his normal form.

It will essentially come down to trust in Labor vs the Coalition's credibility.

As you say, it's the Coalition's to lose, but the extent of the difference will be the above.

 

[sails]

If he limited his exaggerations to only when absolutely necessary as a matter of principal, he would find himself in bother a lot less. Specifically, the carbon tax over time will largely speak for itself.

He should stick to playing the government's weaknesses (which ar many) and not focusing attention on his own.

I think Abbott is right over the carbon tax. Who really wants to part with a few hundred each year to pay for something that we don't want, don't think the underlying cause is settled and was promised categorically it wouldn't happen under a Gillard government?

It's labor that keep playing down the impost of the carbon tax. Abbott is out and about (see his facebook) and regularly chatting with businesses. He sees and hears what we don't.

Who really wants to pay an extra 10-15% on their electricity bills? It's useful money that shouldn't be taken from us, imo.

And, reading posts from Smurf and those in the electricity business, it seems that the electricity companies are trying to protect themselves which is further pushing our prices up. So, if carbon tax hadn't been implemented, we would not have these indirect price rises as well.

But typical labor, they try to distract the public from these indirect costs from carbon tax and try to make the 10% or so look small. It's not small when so many price increases start adding up.

Do labor supporters really think we are so stupid?

 

[drsmith]

Sails,

Reading your post above, I shake my head even more as to why TA feels the need to exaggerate.

 

[Miss Hale]

But typical labor, they try to distract the public from these indirect costs from carbon tax and try to make the 10% or so look small. It's not small when so many price increases start adding up.

Do labor supporters really think we are so stupid?

And the point is, small or large, there is abolutely no good reason on any grounds for us to be charged a carbon tax. Even if it were only 0.5% it can't be justified, therefore it is wrong and I, and I expect many voters, won't vote for a party that has brought in this tax.

 

[drsmith]

I expect many voters, won't vote for a party that has brought in this tax.

Especially after they said they wouldn't bring it in.

 

[Julia]

I think Abbott is right over the carbon tax. Who really wants to part with a few hundred each year to pay for something that we don't want, don't think the underlying cause is settled and was promised categorically it wouldn't happen under a Gillard government?

Sails,

Reading your post above, I shake my head even more as to why TA feels the need to exaggerate.

And the point is, small or large, there is abolutely no good reason on any grounds for us to be charged a carbon tax. Even if it were only 0.5% it can't be justified, therefore it is wrong and I, and I expect many voters, won't vote for a party that has brought in this tax.

Agree entirely with all the above.

It's Mr Abbott's hyperbole that's so counter-productive.

 

[DB008]

Laurie Oaks on Tony Abbott.

LET'S not beat about the bush. To my mind, Tony Abbott tells lies.

So what? Is there anything surprising about that? After all, he's a politician.

But it needs to be pointed out because the central message from Abbott supporters is that the Prime Minister is the liar - Ju-liar, in fact, according to the likes of Alan Jones.

The Opposition Leader is portrayed - and portrays himself - as the epitomy of honesty. A man whose word can always be trusted.

Mr Abbott's lieutenants were even pleased when he was tossed out of Parliament on Monday because it got his offending comment - accusing Julia Gillard of lying - into the headlines.

Mr Abbott's own truthfulness came under the microscope, however, after a blundering performance in an interview on ABC TV's 7.30 program on Wednesday evening.

Earlier that day he had claimed BHP's decision to put the Olympic Dam mining project in South Australia on hold was partly due to the Federal Government's carbon and mining taxes.

That was porkie No. 1. BHP CEO Marius Kloppers had blamed such factors as the Eurozone financial crisis, the slowdown of growth in China and weakness in commodity markets.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbott-has-made-a-string-of-false-claims-about-the-impact-of-the-carbon-tax/story-e6freakc-1226457617348

 

[DB008]

Here is a left-wing blog of what '18-30' year old 'hipsters/uni grads/douche-bags' think of Tony Abbott. Obviously they have selected/highlighted quotes of his. However, they are not alone. A lot of people in this age bracket think the same. Scary.

16 Quotes From Tony Abbott to Remind You Why He Shouldn’t Be Prime Minister

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About Liam Carswell & Jamila Fontana
We are two twenty something, pop culture loving, politics loving, left leaning, female rap adoring, fashion obsessive friends from Hobart, Tasmania, Almost Melbourne. On politics, world affairs, relationships, society and all things unspoken and awkward. Liam likes vinyl, Topman and coke. Jamila likes Eve, middle aged folk singers and Che Guevara (still!).

Ok, Abbott might not be the most suitable candidate to run for the Libs, but have a look at what has happened the last few years with the Rudd and Gillard partnership. Tax this, tax that. Lets all gather around, light a match and watch the MRRT go up in smoke as we tax the Golden Goose that kept us afloat during the GFC...

As l have asked previously in another thread, "is Gillard and Co. asleep at the wheel?" l have come to the conclusion that, "there isn't even anyone at the wheel, let alone in the car!"