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sptrawler said:
Don't you think there is a bigger issue (like the deficit) it seems to me we are getting caught up debating was,wasn't,won't,wouldn't.
It is a bit like the other day when front page news was "It wasn't a trust fund it was a slush fund". Who gives a rats ar$e it was theft of union members funds.OMG
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Yes I do. Never thought pointing out a misquote would cause such a reaction.
 
Campbell Newman is already backing off his previously suggested target of at least 20,000 jobs gone.
This evening he is saying it's likely to be under 15,000. He seems to be testing the waters re how much he can do without losing too much in the polls.
 
Julia said:
Campbell Newman is already backing off his previously suggested target of at least 20,000 jobs gone.
This evening he is saying it's likely to be under 15,000. He seems to be testing the waters re how much he can do without losing too much in the polls.
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hes got 3 years till an election, get the cuts down now itll be better by the time election comes round, labor are dead in the water in this country, the time to get rid of the bloated RDO fields to get the fat trimmed.
 
I intended to start a thread on Industrial Relations but looking back, I found one was opened six years ago and there was no interest, only four posts.

Tony Abbott will be dragged kicking and screaming to soon state his policy on IR. Swan or Shorten has only to mention Work Choices and he scurries back to his burrow like a frightened rabbit. Eric Abetz on the other hand shows more guts. IR will be centre stage come the next election.

The Grocon dispute shows what happens when FWA actually encourages union thuggery, by having minimum punitive action.

Mr Abbott distanced himself from the comments yesterday saying the policy was in the past and that Mr Howard was three Liberal leaders ago.

But one thing the Coalition is keen to re-visit is the idea of the Australian Building and Construction Commission. It was abolished this year, and replaced by the Office of the Fair Work Building Industry Inspectorate.

The Opposition's employment and workplace relations spokesman Eric Abetz says if the ABCC was still in existence there wouldn't have been a picket.

ERIC ABETZ: We put in place the Australian Building and Construction Commission and this sort of ugly violence and intimidation stopped basically. Now the Labor-Green alliance has removed the Australian Building and Construction Commission and we are seeing the consequences of that action with the CFMEU bosses basically getting the dust off the jack boots and marching out again in breach of the law, in breach of an injunction, with bloody scenes with police.

SABRA LANE: The Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says reviving the commission, and its full powers would be one of the Coalition's first priorities if elected. Senator Abetz says that would include the ability to fine unions.

ERIC ABETZ: We would re-institute the Australian Building and Construction Commission in exactly the same form and most importantly, with huge penalties. The CFMEU in the past had to pay a fine of $1.35 million of its members' monies and that moderated its behaviour considerably.

Those penalties have now been deliberately removed by the Labor-Green alliance, and that is why the CFMEU bosses are on the rampage again.
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http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3577464.htm
 
The coalition are going to have to deal with this sort of bias to industrial action:

My bold:

Frank Marks ... (was) a judge of the Industrial Relations Commission of NSW… His farewell address from the bench last month was not the usual hail-fellow-well-met one. Marks ...said that rather than trying to settle disputes, the Fair Work Act actually encouraged industrial action between parties and then protected that industrial action.
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Read more: Judge lashes Fair Work laws
 
sails said:
The coalition are going to have to deal with this sort of bias to industrial action:
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Time to debate workplace laws
From: The Australian August 29, 2012 12:00AM

AS police clashed with militant unionists at a construction site in Melbourne yesterday, having to use horses and capsicum spray to restore order, the need for debate on industrial relations reform could not be more urgent. Grocon chief executive Daniel Grollo, who is undertaking the $250 million Emporium Melbourne project, says this dispute is about the rule of law as construction unions have ignored court rulings and defied police.

Previously, Mr Grollo has warned the Fair Work system is hampering productivity, increasing costs and sending much-needed capital investment overseas. This ugly incident should make clear the need for a serious debate about the direction of workplace relations policy and the government's Fair Work industrial reforms. As part of this debate, Tony Abbott should not ignore the need to develop a comprehensive industrial relations policy alternative.
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(My Bolds)
 
Calliope said:
Time to debate workplace laws
From: The Australian August 29, 2012 12:00AM

(My Bolds)
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The union bosses actually thought they were in the right when it came to the violence and blamed police as being "tools of the construction bosses":rolleyes:
 
I understand the Union's behaviour was in defiance of a Supreme Court order.
How can they get away with this????
 
One thing that has become obvious is TA short, sharp, catchy rhetoric is probably the best course of action.
If he had gone into convoluted responses to government policy, he would now be turned on his head and trying to explain his position.
The governments position has shifted 180 degrees.

Malcolm Turbull would be a blubbering goose trying to explain his position, he would look sillier than the greens.
His stance could be percieved as more left wing than labor now.:D
Labor is showing the last thing you should have is policy, just a goal.
 
Well he certainly hasn't changed much has he ? Abusive, arrogent, totally destructive. I would be interested to hear his response to the whole story - apart from the incident where he intimidated Barbara Ramjam

And exactly what are this piece of xxxxs good points ?::frown:
 
basilio said:
Well he certainly hasn't changed much has he ? Abusive, arrogent, totally destructive. I would be interested to hear his response to the whole story - apart from the incident where he intimidated Barbara Ramjam

And exactly what are this piece of xxxxs good points ?::frown:
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Not that there would be the slightest tinge of bias in either your view or David Marr's, would there!
Marr has made his loathing of Tony Abbott clear for years. You have done likewise.
Both of you are referring to an claimed event more than 25 years ago which the woman says happened and Mr Abbott says doesn't. Who the hell cares anyway?

Mr Marr seems to consider himself the archetypal judge of character. Some people would question his own character.
 
Julia said:
Mr Marr seems to consider himself the archetypal judge of character. Some people would question his own character.
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I must admit I get a kick out of Marr's theatrical sanctimony - a bit like I suppose right leaning people probably get the same kick out of reading Piers Akerman. What is more good old fashioned fun than kicking a few politicians heads? I'm getting nostalgic for good old fashioned newspaper journos.
 
basilio said:
Well he certainly hasn't changed much has he ? Abusive, arrogent, totally destructive. I would be interested to hear his response to the whole story - apart from the incident where he intimidated Barbara Ramjam

And exactly what are this piece of xxxxs good points ?::frown:
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Yeah, funny that the article didn't mention anything good about Abbott, did the alarm bells not not ring for you then that this article might just be a teeny weeny bit biased? :rolleyes:

Worst example of so called journalism I've seen in a long time, own goal for The Age on this one I think. The portrait David Marr paints is so far removed from what I know of Tony Abbott's character it's laughable.

As Julia said, Marr is known to have an intense dislike of Abbott so we have to take anything he writes about him with a huge grain of salt.

Interesting that this article appears just after Gillard is in the spotlight for her dubious activities with S&G, obvious and clunky deflection attempt here I think :cool:
 
Reading about Abbott in those early years, he may not have been a genius but he was a goer a doer. Ambitious, headstrong (as you should be as a young man) but really strong in his beliefs. He seems so likeable.

He now looks a bit worn down, weaker in his beliefs and forced to behave under the weight of his party. Oh for the good old days!
 
Knobby22 said:
Reading about Abbott in those early years, he may not have been a genius but he was a goer a doer. Ambitious, headstrong (as you should be as a young man) but really strong in his beliefs. He seems so likeable.

He now looks a bit worn down, weaker in his beliefs and forced to behave under the weight of his party. Oh for the good old days!
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That's an interesting perspective. Others might say he has matured out of ill-disciplined youthful and possibly arrogant attitudes into a more rounded individual.
 
Julia said:
That's an interesting perspective. Others might say he has matured out of ill-disciplined youthful and possibly arrogant attitudes into a more rounded individual.
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You mean he has gained wisdom.

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
 
The behaviour reported about Abbott is certainly not out of step with his history.

Its surprising so many here forget his recent history as Howard's attack dog.

How would that a line with his behaviour as a hot head young student.

What riles me is his complete fraud he continues to perpetrate as a honest and decent politician only interested in Australia's future.

What rubbish.
 
IFocus said:
What riles me is his complete fraud he continues to perpetrate as a honest and decent politician only interested in Australia's future.
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As a nation, we are so blessed to have a PM that represents the benchmark for these fine characteristics, except of course when she was young and naive and perhaps once or twice since. :rolleyes:
 
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