The Gillard Government

[Logique]

This is now just starting and HAS to be the last straw for her surely.
Labor will be planning her exit right now and no mucking around this time.

She'd survive a nuclear holocaust I reckon, it pays to be connected. This one will be gone soon, but govt departments and trade unions teem with junior Gillards, what will be our protection from them?

I think there's a pathology at play. The story will go far beyond the next year.

 

[Calliope]

Again, you can complain about the TA all you like.

Julia Gillard is the one who introduced a carbon tax after she said she wouldn't.

It is also her government that is failing on border security.

Abbott gets a lot of things wrong, but no semantics, spin, euphemisms or political correctness, can paper over the truth that people who enter Australia illegally are illegal immigrants. An unlawful entry is one without an entry visa.

Anyone, whether they called themselves refugees or not, who came here by plane without a visa, would be returned to their point of departure by the next available service.

Australia's Migration Act 1958 requires people who are not Australian citizens and who are unlawfully in Australia to be detained. Unless they are given legal permission to remain in Australia by being granted a visa unlawful non-citizens must be removed from Australia as soon as reasonably practicable.

 

[MrBurns]

From the australian:
Wonder if that is true or not?

You can stop wondering, it is.

 

[moXJO]

You can stop wondering, it is.

Then surely that can be investigated? (interesting to see who it leads back to)

 

[Julia]

Again, you can complain about the TA all you like.

Julia Gillard is the one who introduced a carbon tax after she said she wouldn't.

It is also her government that is failing on border security.

It shouldn't be a competition between who is the most awful or the most deceptive.

I can't speak for others, but my criticism of Tony Abbott has no connection with a comparison with the Prime Minister or anyone else from Labor. It's to do with my disappointment that he continues to make slogan-like exaggerated statements and doesn't seem able to balance this 'attack dog' persona with any serious discussion about his vision for Australia. One is left wondering if he is even actually articulate enough to be Prime Minister. We don't know, because he never speaks more than a short, punchy sentence at a time.

He's probably a reasonably decent individual and certainly adheres to the values of personal responsibility v the welfare state etc. But then he has the ridiculously expensive middle class welfare policy on maternity leave.

Indications are that he would make more use of the Productivity Commission which would be a plus, and would make at least some alterations to the Fair Work legislation so that business is not so disadvantaged.

Most people want a government that genuinely provides the traditional fair go for all Australians. To this end, I'd like to see the Libs be a bit more generous to people with disabilities/mental illness, and not take the current punitive attitude toward the unemployed, rather coming up with innovative programs to help them acquire the necessary skills for employment, something which seems sadly lacking at present.
So I have reservations about his abolishing the MRRT as it's hard to see so far where the revenue is going to come from to provide the tax cuts and pension increases he has promised.

I actually learned more about Mr Abbott from reading an extensive article in the "Weekend Australian" on "How would Tony Abbott Govern" than I've managed to discover from years of watching and listening to him.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ld-abbott-govern/story-fn59niix-1226452916462

 

[MrBurns]

Most people want a government that genuinely provides the traditional fair go for all Australians.

Well there's only one choice Julia because the Labor Govt has proven itself to be an unmittigated disaster.

There's no one else but Tony like it or not.

 

[drsmith]

It shouldn't be a competition between who is the most awful or the most deceptive.

I can't speak for others, but my criticism of Tony Abbott has no connection with a comparison with the Prime Minister or anyone else from Labor. It's to do with my disappointment that he continues to make slogan-like exaggerated statements and doesn't seem able to balance this 'attack dog' persona with any serious discussion about his vision for Australia. One is left wondering if he is even actually articulate enough to be Prime Minister. We don't know, because he never speaks more than a short, punchy sentence at a time.

It shouldn't and I see the quality of out political leaders overall as poor. It does however need to be seen in the context of politics overall. The current situation is that the current government is so poor that the slogan-like statements is enough. Labor are not testing him.

As PM, I don't currently have high hopes, but he does have the ability to suprise. He's seen the long game on asylum seekers and has all but brought Labor to its knees on this alone.

The last paragraph of the above linked article I found interesting,

Labor voters, underwhelmed by Gillard and sensing the seismic shift under way, would now happily settle for Turnbull, even Hockey, if they had to cop a Liberal. But Saint Malcolm or Uncle Joe aren't on offer, for now, so people get ready for Barnstorming Tony: flying close to the ground, yet higher than he promised, and forever striving not to disappoint.

That might be what Labor voters want for whatever reasons, but to win office, a political party needs enough swinging voters. That's what Tony Abbott and the Coalition are interested in.

 

[sptrawler]

It smacks of the same missuse of union funds, very similar to the Thomson affair, it could turn nasty for Gillard very quickly.

Well MrBurns, you may be right, it looks as though Tony is onto it. Historicaly he usually gets the timing right, so I would think Gillard is going to be under the pump.
Now we will see how nasty politics can get when you are backed into a corner.
It will be interesting to see how labor deal with it, as you say they may use it to give her 'the old heave ho'.
This issue, if proved correct will blow labor out of the water. With nothing to lose they may put themselves through a cleansing phase. LOL

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-a-union-scandal/story-fndo20i0-1226453434111

 

[joea]

It shouldn't be a competition between who is the most awful or the most deceptive.

He's probably a reasonably decent individual and certainly adheres to the values of personal responsibility v the welfare state etc. But then he has the ridiculously expensive middle class welfare policy on maternity leave.

Indications are that he would make more use of the Productivity Commission which would be a plus, and would make at least some alterations to the Fair Work legislation so that business is not so disadvantaged.

I actually learned more about Mr Abbott from reading an extensive article in the "Weekend Australian" on "How would Tony Abbott Govern" than I've managed to discover from years of watching and listening to him.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ld-abbott-govern/story-fn59niix-1226452916462

Well Julia I hope what you read is a "positive" in your mind.
Because we have to move on from Labor and the situation we are in.
I am sure that what is starting to be released on Abbott will be followed by more.
Peta Credlin is running this campaign for Abbott.
I would also like to say they are very astute in releasing info. on a specific time frame.
Why? Because Gillard will use it against Abbott.
Gillard can think very quickly when needed. Where as Abbott "chews the fat a bit more".

Hopefully Australia will be governed more competently in the near future.

joea

 

[Julia]

As PM, I don't currently have high hopes, but he does have the ability to suprise. He's seen the long game on asylum seekers and has all but brought Labor to its knees on this alone.

Quite true, and I'm sure he has the determination to follow through on this in government, turning back every boat if necessary.

Well MrBurns, you may be right, it looks as though Tony is onto it. Historicaly he usually gets the timing right, so I would think Gillard is going to be under the pump.
Now we will see how nasty politics can get when you are backed into a corner.
It will be interesting to see how labor deal with it, as you say they may use it to give her 'the old heave ho'.
This issue, if proved correct will blow labor out of the water. With nothing to lose they may put themselves through a cleansing phase. LOL

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-a-union-scandal/story-fndo20i0-1226453434111

On this evening's ABC Radio news, I think at 6pm, there was a brief item (leading the news) that one of the current partners of S & G here in Australia has come out and said (paraphrasing) that there was an investigation about the matters currently in the media and no reason was found to dispute Ms Gillard's assurances that she had done nothing wrong.

The item was not broadcast again at 7pm. I was very carefully listening for the detail I might have missed earlier. And now when I do a search on the ABC website I can find no reference to it.
I have no idea whether this is significant or not.

So maybe some strings were pulled, and the item was withdrawn?
Or perhaps the ABC just decided all on its own that no one would actually be interested????

 

[drsmith]

This is still on the ABC's website, but the article has been edited (for other reasons according to the ABC),

Since then, the managing director of Slater and Gordon, Andrew Grech, has released a statement on the matter.

Mr Grech says Ms Gillard cooperated fully with the internal legal review and it found nothing to contradict the information provided by Ms Gillard.

He says Ms Gillard took leave from the firm to campaign for the Senate in 1995 and resigned the following year when she took up a position as a political advisor.

Editor’s note: This story has been changed to make it clear the Prime Minister used the words “malicious nonsense” when describing claims about her resignation from Slater and Gordon, not about The Australian’s report on such matters.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-19/gillard-dismisses-allegations-of-law-firm-wrongdoing/4208360

 

[MrBurns]

They're all treading on egg shells here, it will be like this until some journo makes a breakthrough.

Slater and Gordon are publicly listed so they have to be very careful how they handle this.

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/research/companyInfo.do?by=asxCode&asxCode=SGH

 

[sptrawler]

Well what is the worse that can happen? labor $hit their pants on the chance another stuff up is on the horizon.
They really are the goon show, saying they are going to dig up dirt on the opposition, when they are upto their armpits in muck. What a hoot, the goon show at its best

 

[drsmith]

I think the interview with Paul Kelly signifies the end for Julia Gillard.

Where there's smoke there's fire and the smoke was coming out of her ears. She had the last word, but it will be seen as a challenge by parts of the media and her political opponents.

The exchange only ceased when Peter Van Olsen interjected.

 

[sptrawler]

I think the interview with Paul Kelly signifies the end for Julia Gillard.

Where there's smoke there's fire and the smoke was coming out of her ears. She had the last word, but it will be seen as a challenge by parts of the media and her political opponents.

The exchange only ceased when Peter Van Olsen interjected.

Like I said earlier, Abbott normaly doesn't say anything, unless he is on a winner. Time will tell but it will be nasty, Gillard in a corner won't be nice.IMO

 

[Boggo]

I wonder if our taxpayer funded ABC are going to give Glenn Milne back his job now that everyone is aware of the story
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/abc-dumps-milne-from-insiders-20110903-1jrsa.html

 

[Boggo]

Like I said earlier, Abbott normaly doesn't say anything, unless he is on a winner. Time will tell but it will be nasty, Gillard in a corner won't be nice.IMO

As Bonaparte said "never disturb your enemy when they are making a mistake"

 

[Country Lad]

http://lpickering.net/blog/1

 

[bunyip]

Abbott gets a lot of things wrong, but no semantics, spin, euphemisms or political correctness, can paper over the truth that people who enter Australia illegally are illegal immigrants. An unlawful entry is one without an entry visa.

Anyone, whether they called themselves refugees or not, who came here by plane without a visa, would be returned to their point of departure by the next available service.

Furthermore, it’s illegal for anyone to employ criminals to conduct an illegal act on his or her behalf.
People smuggling is a crime. I would think that these boat people are acting illegally by employing people-smuggling criminals to conduct criminal activity on their behalf.

 

[dutchie]

Furthermore, it’s illegal for anyone to employ criminals to conduct an illegal act on his or her behalf.
People smuggling is a crime. I would think that these boat people are acting illegally by employing people-smuggling criminals to conduct criminal activity on their behalf.

Thats probably how the majority of Australians think of them, irrespective of UN definitions, political correctness,etc etc. That's the reality.