The Gillard Government

[Julia]

I am sure one of their die-hard sympathisers (with no party links) would though. Propaganda is reality in this day and age.

Cranks of all political persuasions can and do put up all sorts of rubbish.
That is absolutely no reason to attribute such crap to any political party.

The chain email above imo will have come from the same invalid source as the one which did the rounds of the internet for some years, claiming that refugees were paid many times the amount our age pensioners receive.
Centrelink contradicted it over and over, but it still flourished.

People love to believe whatever supports their entrenched views.

To suggest that this latest one is an official message from the Liberal Party imo shows every bit as much malicious and irrational intent as the chain email itself.

 

[drsmith]

Was it ever determined as to where that video of Kevin Rudd at his finest came from ?

 

[joea]

Was it ever determined as to where that video of Kevin Rudd at his finest came from ?

Only denials on who did not leak it.

joea

 

[joea]

Cranks of all political persuasions can and do put up all sorts of rubbish.

Julia
I think you have just summed up Tony Windsor.
joea

 

[Ves]

To suggest that this latest one is an official message from the Liberal Party imo shows every bit as much malicious and irrational intent as the chain email itself.

I don't think anyone said it was "official" - but the events of the last decade leave no doubt in my mind that anything is possible in terms of its origin. Not that it matters where it comes from, as you said, it's utter crap and full of falsity.

 

[drsmith]

Fresh rumblings from the depths of Labor's political cemetery ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-17/rudd-tells-forum-holding-grudges-is-pointless/4206754

"I think Chris Bowen has handled himself well in this. I support his discharge of the portfolio.

"I've known him for a long time and he's a person who thinks about these things very, very carefully."

Perhaps it's what he doesn't say that's most significant.

 

[Julia]

I don't think anyone said it was "official" - but the events of the last decade leave no doubt in my mind that anything is possible in terms of its origin. Not that it matters where it comes from, as you said, it's utter crap and full of falsity.

Don't be silly, Ves. If someone suggests it's from the Liberal Party, that makes it 'official'.
The suggestion is offensive.

 

[sptrawler]

Fresh rumblings from the depths of Labor's political cemetery ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-17/rudd-tells-forum-holding-grudges-is-pointless/4206754



Perhaps it's what he doesn't say that's most significant.

If I remember correctly, Bowen was sympathetic to Abbotts policy, I may be wrong. But he allways looks like the guy who has been left holding the bunny.

 

[Ves]

Don't be silly, Ves. If someone suggests it's from the Liberal Party, that makes it 'official'.
The suggestion is offensive.

Agree to disagree here - not everything a party member, associate or sponsor does is "official." If it doesn't have any traceable roots back to the party - then it certainly isn't official in my eyes.

 

[Julia]

I have no idea what you're trying to say, Ves.
No further comment from me.

 

[sptrawler]

Agree to disagree here - not everything a party member, associate or sponsor does is "official." If it doesn't have any traceable roots back to the party - then it certainly isn't official in my eyes.

What does all that crap mean. "If it doesn't have any traceable roots back to the party".
If he or she is a party member or associate, it obviously has a traceable "root" back to the party.

The same as the 'dick' that wound up the tent city uprising against Abbott. He just thought he would give them a friendy call, wasn't official, just being nice.
Still lost his job, got Gillard in more $hit than Ned Kelly, probably had the same naive outlook as yourself.

Actually the labor government could probably use your ideoligy in its epitaph.
It wasn't our fault, we were forced into it, others made us do it and just because we were in government didn't make it official. The Greens made us do it.LOL

Might not make it official in your eyes, but reflects badly in everyone elses.

 

[Ves]

You're only mentioning the ones that get caught. It's certainly not naive to say that both parties have followers / members / associates / whatever who are winding up the propaganda machine behind closed doors. I'm not saying it is all malicous. Some of it is even public - I don't think there are many MPs without a facebook or twitter account these days. The internet is a very, very powerful tool and with the right know-how it is possible to say anything with complete anonymity - if you so desire.

It doesn't reflect badly in anyone's eyes if they don't know who is doing it in the first place.

 

[sptrawler]

You're only mentioning the ones that get caught. It's certainly not naive to say that both parties have followers / members / associates / whatever who are winding up the propaganda machine behind closed doors. I'm not saying it is all malicous. Some of it is even public - I don't think there are many MPs without a facebook or twitter account these days. The internet is a very, very powerful tool and with the right know-how it is possible to say anything with complete anonymity - if you so desire.

It doesn't reflect badly in anyone's eyes if they don't know who is doing it in the first place.

LOL you say that now, but it does reflect badly when it goes through Conroy's NBN filter, because they do know who is doing it. There is no anonymity, it all goes through the "filter"
Checkmate.
They don't spend this sort of money for your benefit, get over yourself.:

 

[Ves]

LOL you say that now, but it does reflect badly when it goes through Conroy's NBN filter, because they do know who is doing it. There is no anonymity, it all goes through the "filter"
Checkmate.

What use is a "filter" if it isn't posted from Australia?

 

[Ves]

I think you're missing the point any way. If you know what you're doing it's very easy to spread propaganda over the internet without anyone knowing who you are. It need not get back to the party - unless you're stupid, which admittedly a lot of politicians & staffers seem to be.

 

[sptrawler]

I think you're missing the point any way. If you know what you're doing it's very easy to spread propaganda over the internet without anyone knowing who you are. It need not get back to the party - unless you're stupid, which admittedly a lot of politicians & staffers seem to be.

Mate if you believe that, you are in fairyland. The internet is the single most powerfull tool the governments have ever had to correlate information.
That and the mobile phone, that is post digital, the analogue sytem was free range.
Politicians and staffers are front counter workers, the internet wasn't and isn't something that is structured in a shed down the back yard. All traffic goes through hubs all hubs will be monitored all computers have a signature all users have passwords.

 

[Ves]

Ever heard of encryption?

 

[sinner]

Ever heard of encryption?

But “this is more than just a data center,” says one senior intelligence official who until recently was involved with the program. The mammoth Bluffdale center will have another important and far more secret role that until now has gone unrevealed. It is also critical, he says, for breaking codes. And code-breaking is crucial, because much of the data that the center will handle””financial information, stock transactions, business deals, foreign military and diplomatic secrets, legal documents, confidential personal communications””will be heavily encrypted. According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. The upshot, according to this official: “Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.”

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

and to head off any
"they've got bigger fish to fry" or "they wouldn't spy on me" ...lol you're 6 years too late
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

 

[startrader]

Here is a link to a story in today's Australian: "Gillard lost job after investigation".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...et-investigation/story-fn6tcxar-1226452973559

It would be fantastic if this affair brings down this rotten government. How she ever thought she could get to be Prime Minister and not have this eventually come out and how those idiot labor stooges who knew about this and put her into the top job did so thinking they would get away with it just defies belief!

 

[bunyip]

Rudd was on ABC News 24 this morning talking about his government’s decision to disband the Pacific Solution. As you’d expect he was trying to justify his decision, rather than showing enough character to just come out and say ‘we got it wrong on that one’.