Guns

[McLovin]

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owning revolutionary. While I don't disagree with many of his ideas a lot of them are outdated. We don't live in colonial America, we are not trying to become independent of a country 3000 miles away, we live in cities not the country. I seriously doubt the framers of the US Constitution intended "a well maintained militia" to include inner-city black kids with hand guns running around shooting eachother.

I never would listen to anything the police say. On Thursday I saw a new item about them wanting to establish a DNA database of everybody. No thanks.

 

[MrBurns]

There are more than that in the Labor Cabinet Burnsy, you would need 2 at least

Nope I just use a feather duster on them

 

[AbrasiveCamel]

You cant have dangerous dogs or fireworks, you cant even have the odd bomb lying around the house, so you cant have guns either, get over it.

A firearm is controllable. 'Dangerous' dogs and fireworks are less controllable.

You actually can have guns so I don't need to 'get over it'. What I need to get over - or work to change - is the absurdity of Australian gun control which again, for idiots such as yourself, does nothing to stop guns in the hands of criminals.

The police know plenty that you don't.

Really? Maybe I'm a genius and an ex-police officer? What a ****ing idiot response. The fact is police are police. Not criminologists, sociologists, legislators, researchers etc. Their views on gun law are about as valid as paramedics views on car licenses.

This is Australia we have a generation of angry drunks on our hands, they wont be allowed to have guns. Go buy a Play Station.

Nor should they be. Which says nothing about restricting the rights of sound individuals responsibly owning and using firearms. I've got a PS3 and a gun so I'll enjoy both.

 

[Julia]

Abrasive Camel, could you share with us why you want/need to have a gun?

 

[MrBurns]

A firearm is controllable. 'Dangerous' dogs and fireworks are less controllable.

You actually can have guns so I don't need to 'get over it'. What I need to get over - or work to change - is the absurdity of Australian gun control which again, for idiots such as yourself, does nothing to stop guns in the hands of criminals.

You're a simpleton and prime example of why gun laws should be tightened further.

Really? Maybe I'm a genius and an ex-police officer? What a ****ing idiot response. The fact is police are police. Not criminologists, sociologists, legislators, researchers etc. Their views on gun law are about as valid as paramedics views on car licenses.

You're a simpleton and prime example of why gun laws should be tightened further.

Nor should they be. Which says nothing about restricting the rights of sound individuals responsibly owning and using firearms. I've got a PS3 and a gun so I'll enjoy both.

You're a simpleton and prime example of why gun laws should be tightened further.

 

[disarray]

You cant have dangerous dogs or fireworks, you cant even have the odd bomb lying around the house, so you cant have guns either, get over it.

The police know plenty that you don't.

This is Australia we have a generation of angry drunks on our hands, they wont be allowed to have guns. Go buy a Play Station.

thanks mr burns for taking the time out of your busy schedule to tell us all how we should think and being such a protective and caring nanny. it is reassuring to know that as people's obligations of personal responsibility continue to be eroded through today's "everyone's a winner!" relativist zeitgeist, we have people like you in the government, the bureaucracy, and on internet forums to protect people from themselves and regulate everyone's thoughts, activities and perceptions. why go to all the trouble of expecting people to exercise sound judgement, common sense, personal responsibility, or even be held accountable for their actions when we can just coddle everyone and ban everything that could hurt our poor precious snowflakes?

guns? fireworks? dangerous dogs? cigarettes? alcohol? fatty foods? fast cars? gambling? ban them all. what a utopia it could be!

p.s. that was sarcasm and holier than thou social engineers like you burns are more dangerous to society than a million responsible, respectable gun owners, dog handlers or parents letting off some firecrackers in the backyard once a year.

You're a simpleton and prime example of why gun laws should be tightened further

way to be a douche

 

[MrBurns]

thanks mr burns for taking the time out of your busy schedule to tell us all how we should think and being such a protective and caring nanny. it is reassuring to know that as people's obligations of personal responsibility continue to be eroded through today's "everyone's a winner!" relativist zeitgeist, we have people like you in the government, the bureaucracy, and on internet forums to protect people from themselves and regulate everyone's thoughts, activities and perceptions. why go to all the trouble of expecting people to exercise sound judgement, common sense, personal responsibility, or even be held accountable for their actions when we can just coddle everyone and ban everything that could hurt our poor precious snowflakes?

guns? fireworks? dangerous dogs? cigarettes? alcohol? fatty foods? fast cars? gambling? ban them all. what a utopia it could be!

p.s. that was sarcasm and holier than thou social engineers like you burns are more dangerous to society than a million responsible, respectable gun owners, dog handlers or parents letting off some firecrackers in the backyard once a year.

You see we need these laws to protect decent people from the likes of you.

You would have every ratbag in the country fully armed and ready to make history, you are a lightweight thinker at best

 

[disarray]

keep on ranting. your one dimensional thought process and unjustified sense of smug self-superiority demonstrate your intellectual mediocrity more than any internet forum bitch slapping i can deliver ever will.

 

[MrBurns]

keep on ranting. your one dimensional thought process and unjustified smug sense of self-superiority demonstrate your intellectual mediocrity more than any internet forum bitch slapping i can deliver ever will.

A thread like this will attract nut cases such as yourself, odds on you have a pitt bull as well.

I like guns but if I wanted to own a handgun I'd join a gun club, why dont you do that or would the police check prevent it ?

 

[disarray]

A thread like this will attract nut cases such as yourself, odds on you have a pitt bull as well.

I like guns but if I wanted to own a handgun I'd join a gun club, why dont you do that or would the police check prevent it ?

i own plenty of guns. police checks all passed fine thank you. i'm also a cat person.

watch out with those wild haymakers burnsy, you'll end up clobbering yourself one of these days.

 

[MrBurns]

i own plenty of guns. police checks all passed fine thank you. i'm also a cat person.
watch out with those wild haymakers burnsy, you'll end up clobbering yourself one of these days.

I'm a cat person too.
Those police checks are slack aren't they.
Don't shoot yourself in the foot now, with all your guns n' all

 

[disarray]

Those police checks are slack aren't they

dunno. you tell me, you're apparently the one with the inside info.

Don't shoot yourself in the foot now, with all your guns n' all

no probs burnsy. i did my training course and practice responsible firearms handling so i'm pretty sure my foot will be ok. thanks for your concern though, i'm sure its genuine.

 

[MrBurns]

dunno. you tell me, you're apparently the one with the inside info.
no probs burnsy. i did my training course and practice responsible firearms handling so i'm pretty sure my foot will be ok. thanks for your concern though, i'm sure its genuine.

Where can you use those things ?
Firing range ?
A bit boring isn't it ?

I like the machinery of guns the oil etc bit like trains or cars.

 

[Glen48]

First of I agree with Howard on Gun control that was about the only decent legislation introduced into Parliament in the last 40 yrs , however living over here were the locals are as Brain wash as USA guns are seen as some form of phallic symbol and a lot of ex army hand guns and rifles are around left over from the wars.
So my problems they have one so I need one but if some one came in shooting it would take me 5 minutes to get the thing making it useless to own.

There has been more people killed in USA than all the wars put together.
The NRA controls the voters so there is no change of stopping it.

 

[MrBurns]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

 

[Glen48]

I had to go to divorces to get OZ up near the top of a list.
On corruption I was lead to believable New Guinea was almost at the top and I see the Philippines don't get a mention so wonder how accurate the list is.

 

[disarray]

bench rest range for target shooting. hunting for ferals and non-natives (see: food) on the property. trap shooting with the shotty (lots of fun). plinking with the air rifle. black powder for some 18th century boomstick noise.

a gun is a tool and can also be used for recreation. i agree firearms should be regulated, people should be educated, trained and cleared for ownership, and the firearms should be stored securely. people should be given responsibility and they should act accordingly. no one is advocating handing out handguns and assault rifles from the back of a truck to anyone who wants one.

the sporting shooters association of australia is very active in promoting shooting as a sport and consistently advocates safe storage, responsible use and sensible legislation regarding the use of firearms. HERE is the SSAA press release page where you can look up some facts and figures (rather than "feelings" and emotions) on gun use and land management in australia. for example -

Claims that the majority of firearms used by criminals originate from private licensed citizens are plainly wrong and are not supported by independent research bodies, such as the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC).

In fact, AIC senior research analyst Samantha Bricknell has previously stated that many guns used in crime and traded to other criminals originate from the ‘grey market’, comprising firearms that were never registered or firearms that had been disabled but made operable again.

The AIC’s ‘Homicide in Australia: 2006-07 National Homicide Monitoring Program annual report’ stated that 93 per cent of firearms involved in homicides had never been registered and were used by unlicensed individuals.

Similarly, the AIC has most recently reported that a miniscule number of only 0.06 per cent of registered firearms are stolen and that handguns are the least likely type of firearm to be stolen.

personal responsibility. social obligation. common sense. accountability. freedom of opinion. concepts that seem to have fallen by the wayside in discussions on social issues.

 

[Calliope]

Abrasive Camel, could you share with us why you want/need to have a gun?

A hand gun is useful if you need to make an urgent final exit.

 

[MrBurns]

Target shooting ok but I wouldnt shoot an animal.

The gun laws now allow you to do everything you want don't they ?

I'm not concerned with crims and guns they'll get them anyway and mostly shoot each other, it's guns in every home thats not on, people get unhinged all the time and it's best if there isnt a gun lying around.

Education cant fix that.

 

[MrBurns]

A hand gun is useful if you need to make an urgent final exit.

Yes but you might make that call too soon if you had a gun with you all the time.