Guns

[MrBurns]

We are in the middle of nowhere.

Switzerland has been in the middle of Europe, in the middle of countless wars and world wars. Remind me, how many times in the last 200 years has it ever been invaded?

Have you ever met a Swiss person ?
If we had put a colony of them into Darwin the Japanese woudn't have bothered us.

 

[bandicoot76]

“Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who do not.”
― Thomas Jefferson

 

[bandicoot76]

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
― Thomas Jefferson

 

[bandicoot76]

“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
― Thomas Jefferson

 

[bandicoot76]

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
― Thomas Jefferson,


i think you should be getting the idea by now!

 

[rumpole]

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
― Thomas Jefferson,


i think you should be getting the idea by now!

There are arguments on both sides. You have to try to limit the amount of guns in society otherwise you will have shoot outs in the streets. "The tyranny of government" is over the top in today's society and anyone preaching the need for armed rebellion is seriously mental. The answer is to limit ownership of weapons to those who need them for honest purposes, register all guns and make the ownership of unregistered weapons an offence carrying a mandatory gaol sentence. We have a reasonable system in this country now, no need to change.

 

[Glen48]

As the economies of countries such as OZ get worse they will be a bigger need for guns selling at a high price therefore machine shops will look at making guns as a source of income.
Using BHP steel of course.

With modern CNC machine and computer aided programmes it would not be to hard.

Here the Muslims make guns and sell as way to get fund.
Rumour has it Japan didn't want to invade USA because they knew every one had 2 guns in each room and one in the back pocket.

 

[bandicoot76]

There are arguments on both sides. You have to try to limit the amount of guns in society otherwise you will have shoot outs in the streets. "The tyranny of government" is over the top in today's society and anyone preaching the need for armed rebellion is seriously mental. The answer is to limit ownership of weapons to those who need them for honest purposes, register all guns and make the ownership of unregistered weapons an offence carrying a mandatory gaol sentence. We have a reasonable system in this country now, no need to change.

i'm sure german people said the same sort of things pre 1939, like
"todays society is so safe no one needs to worry about things like freedom or liberty",
"the govt loves & cares for us, we should trust it has our best interests at heart and not concern ourselves with such things",
"'tyranny' is an old fashioned fuddy-duddy word from the dark ages, stuff like that doesnt happen in this day and age" etc etc

you should educate yourself by talking to the old german immigrants who were living under nazi'ism and eastern bloc/russian immigrants who were living under communism to learn how bad things were and how they didnt just get that way overnight... the totalitarian powers of their respective forms of govt were gradually eased in under the guise of such titles as 'public safety' and 'its for the common good'.

i have alot of immigrant friends from this era who are very worried because they can see history repeating here, when they hear 'young' naive people who have no experience of such things cry "such things cant happen in todays society" ...the exact same catch-phrase that they had heard said so long ago!

“Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
― Thomas Jefferson

i suggest you research a little history, open your eyes to current world events and possibly even study a little 'jeffersonist philosophy' before making such comments!

heres a good link to start you opn your way:http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1673.Thomas_Jefferson

 

[bandicoot76]

“Those who surrender freedom for security [safety] will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
― Thomas Jefferson

 

[bandicoot76]

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Rumour has it Japan didn't want to invade USA because they knew every one had 2 guns in each room and one in the back pocket.

its not a rumour its a documented fact mate! and its the same reason why noone messes with switzerland

 

[rumpole]

its not a rumour its a documented fact mate! and its the same reason why noone messes with switzerland

OK , you've convinced me. Tomorrow we march on Campbell Newman. You with me brother ?

 

[CanOz]

Is this s serious argument......? Pleeeeease....if a government wanted to exterminate a mass a people in a hurry you think a few pistols, rifles and shotguns will defend?

A clever and truly evil government would use chemical and/or biological warfare at a minimum....

Good grief...

CanOz

 

[bandicoot76]

OK , you've convinced me. Tomorrow we march on Campbell Newman. You with me brother ?

sarcasm is lowest form of wit.

i'm not trying to convince you of anything, personally i dont give two hoots what you think or believe...

but when you get up on your soap box on these forums sprouting off with things like "limiting firearm ownership will stop gunfights in the streets" and "in modern society government tyranny is nothing we should be concerned about" (not quotes but close enough) then dont be surprised if your called out on it.

my position is: 'if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns'

...i dont really care how many guns there are in the community its way too late for that...face the facts the guns are already out there!!!,

the crims have their illegal ones and always will while the legal firearm owners, sporting shooters etc are copping all the sh*t due to the criminals actions.

its simple really... prohibition NEVER WORKS, whether its drugs, alcohol, tobacco, hemp or yes even guns.... it always comes down to supply and demand... whilever there is a demand for guns there will always be a means to supply that demand, be it illegal gun imports, guns stolen from legal owners or homemade guns & ammo manufactured in 'backyard' factories.

the answer isnt banning them, IT IS MAKING THE PENALTIES FOR USING THEM FOR CRIME SO HARSH THAT NOONE WOULD DARE DO IT!

well thats my opinion i have come to after researching the issue extensively anyhow!

 

[MrBurns]

sarcasm is lowest form of wit.1

Bulldust but you must have a sense of humour to appreciate it.

i'm not trying to convince you of anything, personally i dont give two hoots what you think or believe...

Then goes on and on to do just that

well thats my opinion i have come to after researching the issue extensively anyhow!

At the pub no doubt

 

[CanOz]

Bulldust but you must have a sense of humour to appreciate it.



Then goes on and on to do just that



At the pub no doubt

lol@ Mr Burns......good to see you haven't changed a bit Burnsy!

 

[MrBurns]

lol@ Mr Burns......good to see you haven't changed a bit Burnsy!

Like shooting fish in a barrell

 

[bandicoot76]

Is this s serious argument......? Pleeeeease....if a government wanted to exterminate a mass a people in a hurry you think a few pistols, rifles and shotguns will defend?

A clever and truly evil government would use chemical and/or biological warfare at a minimum....

Good grief...

CanOz

it worked for the vietnamese against both the french & the US, and seems to be working ok for the afghani's as well, they kicked out the brittish, then the russians and now have bogged down the might of the US war-machine for the past ten years and bankrupted the US economy with guerilla warefare fighters armed with just "a few pistols, rifles etc"

not that i EVER want it to come to that situation here because i really dont, it would be horrific, but to deny the fact that it possibly could get to that point, however unlikely, is closing off the possibily of preparing yourself should that situation arise,

"HOPE FOR THE BEST BUT PREPARE FOR THE WORST" is what i was taught growing up... yes i was a boyscout... no i wasnt molested.

 

[bandicoot76]

Bulldust but you must have a sense of humour to appreciate it.



Then goes on and on to do just that



At the pub no doubt

not worth a comment

 

[bandicoot76]

Like shooting fish in a barrell

i'd take the wisdom of a man like thomas jefferson over a sarcastic fool like you anyday, you and your cronies arent worth my time

 

[Bill M]

i'm sure german people said the same sort of things pre 1939

i have alot of immigrant friends from this era who are very worried because they can see history repeating here, when they hear 'young' naive people who have no experience of such things cry "such things cant happen in todays society" ...the exact same catch-phrase that they had heard said so long ago!

So with all these "immigrant friends" that would make you 80 years old, is that about right?

its simple really... prohibition NEVER WORKS,

It would have worked in my earlier POST # 8. Just to remind you, an unarmed 17 y/o black teenager was shot dead in the USA on suspicion by a white ARMED neighbourhood watch guy. If he wasn't armed he wouldn't have been able to shoot him. Just think about that murdered kids parents for a few lousy seconds.

the answer isnt banning them

The answer is totally restricting them to those who really need them, Police, Defence Force Members, Farmers - Collectors - sporting shooters all with licenses and DEFINITELY no one with a criminal record of any sort.

, IT IS MAKING THE PENALTIES FOR USING THEM FOR CRIME SO HARSH THAT NOONE WOULD DARE DO IT!

Totally agree.

it worked for the vietnamese against both the french & the US, and seems to be working ok for the afghani's as well, they kicked out the brittish, then the russians and now have bogged down the might of the US war-machine for the past ten years and bankrupted the US economy with guerilla warefare fighters armed with just "a few pistols, rifles etc"

not that i EVER want it to come to that situation here because i really dont, it would be horrific, but to deny the fact that it possibly could get to that point, however unlikely, is closing off the possibily of preparing yourself should that situation arise,

That's what we have the Police Force for and should it get worse then the Defence Force is there to do that job. Or do you think they will not act in our interest?

i'd take the wisdom of a man like thomas jefferson over a sarcastic fool like you anyday, you and your cronies arent worth my time

Jefferson is a dead American, Burnsy is a cool dude Aussie and well respected on ASF....... I go for Burnsy!