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wayneL said:
You know I've never understood why it is so shameful for a politician to change their mind on something. :confused:

We in business do it all the time; if presented with a better argument, why not.

Yet politicians are expected to make a decision instantaneously on any issue and stick to it come hell or high water for fear of the "backflip" jibe.

Sorry I just don't understand that.
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I agree with your sentiment totally unfortunately for the Liberals is the issue of party donations from big tobacco.
 
Julia said:
Doesn't matter what Mr Abbott might think about the effectiveness or otherwise of the change in packaging, he had no choice.
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It was Roxon's threat to put her image on the packets that brought him to heel.

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IFocus said:
I agree with your sentiment totally unfortunately for the Liberals is the issue of party donations from big tobacco.
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While I'm not agreeing with donations from tobacco companies, I find it strange that there is finger pointing from labor to the Libs for accepting such donations , even though people buy smokes willingly - they don't have a gun to their head. And yet the labor party accept massive donations from the "working families" in the form of subscriptions from the unions. Isn't this just as immoral?

I don't know if it's true, but I have heard that the unions are funding the cate 'n' caton carbon tax TV ad. Are the workers whose jobs might be at risk OK with their money being used for this purpose?

But then, labor people have been told to attack Abbott, so I guess we can't expect anything less when we are arguing with an alp galah...:D
 
Given Abbott is a shoe in for PM time to get serious about what he stands for

1st of all he has to do what hes told that's what happens when you don't have any ideas of your own.

"Howard's push on workplace law pressures mute Abbott"

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/howa...mute-abbott-20110717-1hk7z.html#ixzz1SRxAFmij

But before that its looking like he is going to crush retail sentiment

Retailers say the hysteria being whipped up by the opposition is every bit as damaging as the confusion about how a price on carbon will operate and affect people. ''I wish it would just extinguish itself,'' said one retail lobbyist of the debate.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...carbon-wars-20110717-1hjz4.html#ixzz1SRy5EwKF
 
Given Julia Gillard is currently PM, well, sorta, it's time to get serious about what she stands for.

There will be no......................
 

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IFocus said:
Given Abbott is a shoe in for PM time to get serious about what he stands for...
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I thought labor supporters are convinced of another two years yet - what's the rush to discuss Abbott? Or do you know something we don't?...:confused:

And I suspect that the retail trade might find themselves in a bigger problem if carbon tax comes in. I understand things are a bit rough in NZ economically. They might have wished they had listened to Abbott.

And the strange thing is that economists give carbon tax the big thumbs up, but maybe it's because it helps government fat cats and revenue, but who care about the little tax payer...
 


Paul makes a valid point...1 vote Tony is a bit of a nothing man.
 
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sails said:
Almost anything would be better than what we have now...:rolleyes:
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Unfortunately Sails that's what you are going to get, still it will be fun times for me imagine the material I am going to get to run the bash Abbott threads :)
 
IFocus said:
Unfortunately Sails that's what you are going to get, still it will be fun times for me imagine the material I am going to get to run the bash Abbott threads :)
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LOL IFocus - if he acts up as badly as Gillard, I won't be here defending him...:D

This country doesn't need any more contending for the worst government in Australian history record.
 
Miranda Devine's got Susan Mitchell's number.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...h-a-poisoned-pen/story-e6frezz0-1226155268743
Female Abbott-haters are a particular type. Like Mitchell, they cling to a 1970s view of feminism, still resent the patriarchy, and sneer at red-blooded blokes. The photograph on the cover of Mitchell's book, of Abbott barbecuing sausages, encapsulates what they loathe.

A muscular, sweaty meat-eater wielding tongs. Ugh. Her book is the first shot by the progressive Left to stop Abbott taking office.

They fear that his confident conservatism, mellowed by time in office, is beginning to resonate with an electorate that thinks much like he does, and is fed up with political correctness.

They fear that his combination of good-natured, unpretentious authenticity and ferocious intellect will have wide appeal as soon as it gets clear air.
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And in the same story, what about Julian Burnside ...a QC!

"I have read this book. Abbott is a dangerous man with no moral compass," he wrote in a series of tweets. "Abbott is seriously dangerous, not least because he is a massive hypocrite."

"Great book; terrifying portrait of a truly dangerous, unprincipled person: a liar and a hypocrite."

"It's a great book. Abbott will lead the country back to the dark ages."

And, in case you didn't pick up the dog whistling bigotry, there was this tweet: "Paedos in Speedos."

Burnside apologised two hours later: "This is unprompted apology to #Abbott. He is NOT a pedophile and I was not referring to him.

"He has many flaws but that is not one of them."

His explanation: "I am new to twitter and thought I was replying to one person."

Why apologise to Abbott if he was not referring to him?

Burnside explained in another tweet: "Abbott is certainly not a pedophile. Comment was 1:1 reply to a remark about p. priests. Sorry for misunderstanding." Right.

The QC, one of the chief barrackers for the witch-hunt against columnist Andrew Bolt, has been hoisted with his own petard.
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George Megalogenis on the insiders today (and for some time) made a point about the structural deficit hole that exits in the Federal budget.

As a result of the way GST works and current growth rates there is around $7 bil a year short fall in revenue and growing.

I think George mentioned a hole of $50 bil (no its nothing to do with Labor DYOR before making the usual comments)

Given Abbotts no reformist particularity around tax issues but uses populist politics how are they going to fill the hole.

Hokey economics cut government spending? reduce services? It just wont fill the gap.

Given state governments are going to be conservative and raising utility prices possibly as high as 50 to 100% pensioners etc are going to get really belted.

WA has already up electricity by 50% over the last 2 years.

It will be really interesting..........
 
IFocus said:
...WA has already up electricity by 50% over the last 2 years.

It will be really interesting..........
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Any of this is likely mere pocket money to the devastation caused under carbon tax. Who is going to pay the billions going overseas in carbon abatements? That money should be kept here in Australia.

Do you have proof that state governments will raise utility prices IF there is no carbon tax?

I think you will find that carbon tax is the real culprit.
 
sails said:
Any of this is likely mere pocket money to the devastation caused under carbon tax. Who is going to pay the billions going overseas in carbon abatements? That money should be kept here in Australia.

Do you have proof that state governments will raise utility prices IF there is no carbon tax?

I think you will find that carbon tax is the real culprit.
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Actually with the carbon tax lower incomes are compensated but that's a mute point as Abbott has sworn to remove the carbon tax so he will also be removing the compensation.

Rising utility costs are pretty much a given regardless of who governs but under Abbott he will be cutting government services as well remember Hockey economics.

The cuts will come from the areas that have little or no strong lobby groups unlike the miners etc.

Remember Abbott is also going to remove the mining tax apparently Gina isn't making enough money and we need to support her.

None of this will save Labor as they are gone but what I don't get is Abbott's lack of preparation for the future of his government.

Remember there is a $50 bil structural hole and the Coalition would know about this.
 
Logique said:
And in the same story, what about Julian Burnside ...a QC!

Why apologise to Abbott if he was not referring to him?
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Exactly. So utterly disingenuous of Julian Burnside. I've never been sucked into his rhetoric, but he has sunk to a new low in this.

IFocus said:
lower incomes are compensated but that's a mute point as Abbott has sworn to remove the carbon tax so he will also be removing the compensation.
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Well, for god's sake, it's not a moot point at all. If you don't have the expensive tax why would you need compensation?
Why do you attempt to make it sound as though Mr Abbott is proposing something unreasonable?

Make your points against the opposition by all means, but apply a smidgen of objectivity and reality in so doing.
 
IFocus said:
...None of this will save Labor as they are gone but what I don't get is Abbott's lack of preparation for the future of his government.....
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How do you know Abbott is not prepared?

I doubt they will announce their policies until an election is called.

Methinks your posts are nothing more than speculation...:D
 
Candidly speaking, and I have said it before, an increase in the GST to 12.5% will provide revenue equivalant to a carbon tax, a figure worked out last year and please don't ask me to provide a link, but it works out to about $11 billion.

A 15% GST would be more than adequate to cover the current losses which the states maintain has cost them since the introduction of the 10% GST someting which has not kept up with other costs currently being experienced in each state.

Most countries who apply a GST or VAT range between 15% and 25%. New Zealand has 15%. Australia has the lowest GST anywhere around the world.

At least with the GST everyone knows how much extra one has to pay. The carbon (dioxide) tax, (ops carbon price) will be passed on to consumers and will be exploited by rogue business just as governments did with the hidden sales tax and nobody were any the wiser. Keating lifted the sales tax on vehicles from 20% to 25% just to raise extra revenue; it was passed on as just an increase in the cost of the vehicle one purchased.

It is unfortunate neither political party will dare to take it to an election. They both fear it would be political suicide.

NO GUTS, NO GLORY...........
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226155268743
Female Abbott-haters are a particular type. Like Mitchell, they cling to a 1970s view of feminism, still resent the patriarchy, and sneer at red-blooded blokes. The photograph on the cover of Mitchell's book, of Abbott barbecuing sausages, encapsulates what they loathe.

A muscular, sweaty meat-eater wielding tongs. Ugh. Her book is the first shot by the progressive Left to stop Abbott taking office.

They fear that his confident conservatism, mellowed by time in office, is beginning to resonate with an electorate that thinks much like he does, and is fed up with political correctness.

They fear that his combination of good-natured, unpretentious authenticity and ferocious intellect will have wide appeal as soon as it gets clear air.



I've seen diverse descriptions of Tony but never this one...thats hilarious
 
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