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lindsayf said:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226155268743

They fear that his combination of good-natured, unpretentious authenticity and ferocious intellect will have wide appeal as soon as it gets clear air.



I've seen diverse descriptions of Tony but never this one...thats hilarious
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He was a Rhodes scholar, if that counts for anything?

From Wikipedia

He then went on to attend the Queen's College, Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar and graduated with a Master of Arts (MA) in Politics and Philosophy/QUOTE]

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Susan Mitchell and Julian Burnside are not the only ones that would like to emasulate Tony Abbott.

The grinning Bob Brown is waiting in the wings like Shylock, honing his knife.

When Abbott defeats Labor his first priority is to abolish the Carbon Tax, and of course this cannot be done with Brown holding the cards in the Senate.

After the Senate rejects the legislation twice, Abbott will call a double dissolution. Hopefully the new parliament will see Brown's stranglehold reduced.

All this will take time of course. This Labor government will be around for two more years, unless they do something very foolish like replacing Gillard. In the meantime they can do irreparable damage to the economy.
 
Perhaps separate intellectual capacity from political acumen and charisma.
Because Mr Abbott lacks the latter, it doesn't necessarily cast any slur on his intelligence.
 
Julia said:
Perhaps separate intellectual capacity from political acumen and charisma.
Because Mr Abbott lacks the latter, it doesn't necessarily cast any slur on his intelligence.
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Yes Julia. you are right but unfortuneatly there are lots of naive voters out there who favor charisma over the intellectual ability of a person to lead.

Many fall for that cheesey smile and the BS that comes out of their mouths and are easily fooled into believing the rhetoric which is not always in the best interest of the great country of ours.
 
noco said:
Yes Julia. you are right but unfortuneatly there are lots of naive voters out there who favor charisma over the intellectual ability of a person to lead.

Many fall for that cheesey smile and the BS that comes out of their mouths and are easily fooled into believing the rhetoric which is not always in the best interest of the great country of ours.
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Yep

We want good managers, not good actors... and good managers are not usually good actors. :2twocents
 
Calliope said:
After the Senate rejects the legislation twice, Abbott will call a double dissolution. Hopefully the new parliament will see Brown's stranglehold reduced.
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Historically minor parties and independents are favored by DD's

Winning elections is not easy it will be fascinating to see if Abbott blinks or if not him but his party.
 
IFocus said:
Historically minor parties and independents are favored by DD's

Winning elections is not easy it will be fascinating to see if Abbott blinks or if not him but his party.
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Pecking at Abbott seems to be all that's left for our leftie feathered friend...:D
 
Julia said:
Perhaps separate intellectual capacity from political acumen and charisma.
Because Mr Abbott lacks the latter, it doesn't necessarily cast any slur on his intelligence.
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..not convinced he has any of the above actually. He must have a certain wiley opportunistic cleverness to have put himself in this position..and you cant say that he hasn't achieved to the fullest of his abilities so there is something to admire about that.

Its just the prospect of him as PM that disturbs me.....but Julia also disturbs me. Its all just disturbing really.
 
noco said:
Candidly speaking, and I have said it before, an increase in the GST to 12.5% will provide revenue equivalant to a carbon tax, a figure worked out last year and please don't ask me to provide a link, but it works out to about $11 billion.

A 15% GST would be more than adequate to cover the current losses which the states maintain has cost them since the introduction of the 10% GST someting which has not kept up with other costs currently being experienced in each state.

Most countries who apply a GST or VAT range between 15% and 25%. New Zealand has 15%. Australia has the lowest GST anywhere around the world.

At least with the GST everyone knows how much extra one has to pay. The carbon (dioxide) tax, (ops carbon price) will be passed on to consumers and will be exploited by rogue business just as governments did with the hidden sales tax and nobody were any the wiser. Keating lifted the sales tax on vehicles from 20% to 25% just to raise extra revenue; it was passed on as just an increase in the cost of the vehicle one purchased.

It is unfortunate neither political party will dare to take it to an election. They both fear it would be political suicide.

NO GUTS, NO GLORY...........
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I noted in one of the Courier Mail's news item where the GST collection for the current financial year is $48billion. So a 25% increase from 10% to 12.5% would actually bring in another $12billion.

I would still say that this increase would cost us less than the carbon (dioxide) tax ; ops sorry carbon price.

Even Ken Henry suggested a review of the GST which makes sense.
 
I almost puke every time I hear about the GST being increased.

Whare does it stop, 12.5%, 15%, 17.5%... ?

Broadening the base is the better alternative. :2twocents

Same with income tax. Broaden the base by reducing the scope for deductions and reduce marginal rates.
 
Not trying to be funny, but in a lot of ways I hope Labor and the Greens get voted in again.
It is obvious from this forum that some still need more of a whipping.LOL,LOL
I tend to think a lot of the posters that are anti Labor are in fact in a pretty good financial position.
They seem to be making anti Labor posts from a genuine concern for the economic direction the Government is taking.
Maybe one more term might turn even the most devout followers. :D
The outcomes from the "tax summit" will be really interesting, when the Government picks what it likes and uses it as a mandate.
 
noco said:
I noted in one of the Courier Mail's news item where the GST collection for the current financial year is $48billion. So a 25% increase from 10% to 12.5% would actually bring in another $12billion.
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No, a linear projection based on current revenue is not accurate. Supply and demand curves make more realistic models for projected outcomes.
 
drsmith said:
I almost puke every time I hear about the GST being increased.

Whare does it stop, 12.5%, 15%, 17.5%... ?

Broadening the base is the better alternative. :2twocents

Same with income tax. Broaden the base by reducing the scope for deductions and reduce marginal rates.
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In answer to "where does it stop".
It won't. With the current government.

We need a government that will..... stop the waste, create real jobs, stop equating real jobs with part time jobs to help the unemployment figure, reduce interest rates and be transparent about it all. Oh yeah get rid of 30,000 jobs in government that make paper work go round and round.

Then we need a government that will take the carbon tax "to the people" at an election.

Lastly I think we need to maintain the value of our dollar at a level that suits the overall Australia. We need to manage the budget, instead of having a spend fest.

Lastly we need to improve productivity by a strong and fair industrial package.

Finally we need a government to run the country "looking forward" and not over its shoulder.

And that is probably my "thought for the day" and all I got to say on that.
joea
 
joea: I don't understand your comment about real jobs etc.

The erosion of full time jobs has been happening for some time. It is the flexibility we hear about. As we can see the Libs have people like Abetz that think Work Choices was not enough. Others think it was fine. Others think it was a little too far. Libs have factions too.
 
Business wants flexibility and casual workers, so that they can tailor their workforce as their workload demands.
Workers want job security, to enable them to have the confidence to take out loans and formulate longer term financial plans.
Banks want to see you have secure employment, so they don't end up with too much exposure to low dock loans.
Retailers wants consumers with no confidence, to spend money.

The Government is doing a lousy job of bringing all the above together.:D
 
joea said:
In answer to "where does it stop".
It won't. With the current government.

We need a government that will..... stop the waste, create real jobs, stop equating real jobs with part time jobs to help the unemployment figure, reduce interest rates and be transparent about it all. Oh yeah get rid of 30,000 jobs in government that make paper work go round and round.

Then we need a government that will take the carbon tax "to the people" at an election.

Lastly I think we need to maintain the value of our dollar at a level that suits the overall Australia. We need to manage the budget, instead of having a spend fest.

Lastly we need to improve productivity by a strong and fair industrial package.

Finally we need a government to run the country "looking forward" and not over its shoulder.

And that is probably my "thought for the day" and all I got to say on that.
joea
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Oh well that counts Abbott LOL
 
Abbott as PM wont deal with stuff to hard......prefers a nation that's doomed to bankruptcy.....

Abbott cold on China deal, warms to Japan

ONY ABBOTT has signalled the landmark free trade agreement John Howard launched with China would be on the backburner if the Coalition wins the next election.

The Opposition Leader foreshadowed that Japan would be a higher priority than China, because Japan was a pluralist democracy, and a ''vastly more'' market economy than its near neighbour.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbo...ms-to-japan-20111019-1m86z.html#ixzz1bJTwTdsv
 
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