Tony Abbott for PM

[sails]

Does he dye his hair? It goes from a ginger brown to a sprinkled grey and finally to a jet black ! Never trust a man who dyes their hair IMHO.

Should a female be trusted to run the country who dyes her hair red for branding purposes (Lindsay Tanner apparently states this in his book)...

Mr Tanner... also says Ms Gillard has dyed her hair red for years to help build her personal brand.

“It makes her more noticeable. She has registered as an individual personality in the sideshow.”

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ts/tanner_unleashes_on_gillard_and_rudds_spin

I think actions speak louder than hair dyes and Xenophon seems to be a genuinely decent politician while Gillard... hmmm...maybe let the actions and lies speak for themselves.

 

[explod]

=Julia;635229]Oh Lord, explod. I can't believe you're taken in by Bob Brown's smiling, oh so reasonable, unruffled countenance!
Does not add spin? He doesn't know anything other than spin?
How about just a few costings for your policies, Bob Brown?
He gets very rattled when any journalist actually dares to ask him to supply any economic basis for what he suggests.

I relative terms the Greens as a political force are only just emerging and do not have a fraction of the resources needed to match the other parties on the real detail of running the country or responding to journalists.

Brown is a visionary and it will be others as the party grows who will fill his shoes to carry on the Greens philosophies for a better world. We have in fact lost sight of visons for betterment in politics. Of course we need the planners and the doers too but those things are not able to be applied out of government. This is another of Abbott's faults in my view, there seems to be no clear vision spelt out by the Libs for Australias future. Though few seem to agree, Gillard does express and act towards a better deal all round for education. I do not support the ALP but the three E's should be the motto to overcome most things. In fact without a good education how can one make a truly democratic decision at election time.

If you're so fond of Bob Brown, hope you'll be equally thrilled when we get constant blackouts because the energy companies have closed down as a result of being unprofitable in a carbon tax environment.

The price of natural gas has doubled in the last five years and oil is up more than that and on the latter we have reached peak world production and with the numbers of new cars coming on stream in China and India its a no brainer that these costs are going to go through the roof whether we have a carbon tax or not. At least such a tax ought to lead to some R & D to alternatives. Some scientists claim that there are good and economic alternatives but do not get off the ground as Governments continue to subsidise the materials/content of current conventional oil based travel.

And of course in Victoria the privatisation of the power companies have taken away the economies of scale that allowed much cheaper and efficient power here. Infrastructure maintenance has sufferred badly in this area too. Do not know about other states but expect it would be the same. There is a strong case for a socialist model in the areas of necessities such as power, transport and water. We certainly have it for defence, but I feel sure many would argue, what is the more important?

Ditto hope you'll be delighted to contemplate your fellow Australians who are already in financial disadvantage who will be unable to afford their electricity in sufficient quantity to keep warm in winter etc etc.

Gillard has indicated relief to families on the lower end of the scale and I think even today questions are being asked about the enourmous wealth being accumulated by Gina Rhienhardt, as just one example.

Oh yes, the world of the Greens is just all supa dupa. Forget about any effects on irrelevant human beings. Just follow the religion of dubious climate change zealots.

Dubious it maybe, but far too complex for us to really know, but on some indications (and how about the twisters overnight in the USA) should we, as an advanced society not give some attention to the problem, and as one of the greatest polluters on the planet (about equal with the US) lead by some example. There is mounting evidence that China is looking to clean power too.

So I do not think it good to be so adamant. We would be better to join the idea of the visionaries as a part of not just dollars and cents but ensuring the future for our children.

The Libs man, young Greg Hunt (Shadow Minister for the Envioronment) lives less than a kilometre just across the Belcombe Creek from where I live. He has promised so much and appears for every photo shoot around but lacks real vision for change. However with an inspiring leader, who in opposition should be a teacher and mentor, Hunt could do it, but alas Abbott and his other cronies seem, to me, too preoccupied with thier own little worlds for succeeding to bring a real alternative team together. And I do believe Gillard is little better and perhaps more preoccupied to have bright red hair for the cameras.

Of course, IMHO Julia.

 

[Logique]

Does he dye his hair? It goes from a ginger brown to a sprinkled grey and finally to a jet black ! Never trust a man who dyes their hair IMHO.

He he, hadn't noticed. BTW, a toast to you, when up there at the Ross Island Hotel. But mind the company you keep. I know that you will refuse to wear a bicycle helmet under any circumstance TS.

Meanwhile, women of genuine ability proceed without fuss. Read it and weep ALP hacks. With the IMF, the emerging nations (quite rightly) say, what about our candidates.

Link: https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa...4MHHBQ&usg=AFQjCNF9cUz-qbRfoImXrQjGASbXoDMDjg

'..We wrote a couple of days ago about the young versus old economy struggle over who will be the next leader of the IMF in the wake of Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s resignation. Ever since its inception, the IMF had had a European in charge. Christine Lagarde, the finance minister of France, is the favorite, and the US and Europe have enough votes to determine the outcome...'

 

[Logique]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-on-leaked-email/story-fn59niix-1226063956931

If you're genuine Mr Turnbull, turn up. Mr Hockey thinks so too. Marginal MPs got shafted - because you couldn't turn up, Mr Turnbull.

...“The whip was rightly unhappy with five MPs that missed the division,” Mr Abbott told Nine's Today show. “This letter wasn't about any particular individual. It was about the principle that every one of the Coalition MPs has got to be there for every division.”

Coalition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey also sided with Mr Entsch, saying he'd only been doing his job.
“The whips are the people responsible for making sure everyone turns up for votes,” Mr Hockey told Seven's Sunrise program..."

 

[drsmith]

Me thinks Malcolm wants the ALP's carbon tax to get up.

 

[Julia]

If you're genuine Mr Turnbull, turn up. Mr Hockey thinks so too. Marginal MPs got shafted - because you couldn't turn up, Mr Turnbull.

Zackly.
This email was 'leaked' to the media. Hardly room for doubt that it was Mr Turnbull in his hissy fit who did the leaking.
Again he shows he is not a team player.
How dare he (and the others so named) fail to turn up to a vote under the current circumstances! What a histrionic twit.

The following are a couple of pretty apt comments from the article:

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Valda of Nthn NSW Posted at 2:24 PM Today

Abbott needs to bring this Turnbull thing to a head. Either he has the support of his Party or he doesn't. Sure he won the last ballot for the leadership by one vote, but after that was astute enough to have his Party vote on the ETS and gained a resounding majority that said "no" to Turnbull's support of Rudd's amended ETS. As a Leader he should face Turnbull's ambitions head on. Call another ballot. Frankly, imo, reading blogs, it is apparent that some won't vote Liberal if Turnbull is in charge and others won't vote Liberal if Abbott is in charge. Then, there are those who won't vote for Joe Hockey. How on earth the Coalition can win the next election with this sort of division amongst conservative voters, and within the Party, is beyond me. Get rid of all three and put Scott Morrison in charge. A fresh face is needed. As for the smoking thing, putting brands in brown paper bags won't stop the addicts from puffing away. Plainly, "Plain packaging" is a Labor wedge, and a stupid idea

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Germaine of Melbourne Posted at 2:12 PM Today

Mr Turnbull is better suited to investment banking and entrepreneurship in business than parliamentary work. He is not suitable as Liberal leader, nor as PM. His presence in parliament is not constructive, not productive. Back to banking and business -where he could create new wealth and new jobs in strategic industries. He could work on environmental pollution matters as part of those activities, and pursue republican causes on the side. Mr Abbott and his supporters are capable of defeating the ALP, and of providing the right kinds of leadership and governance for Australia. Any Liberal, inside or outside the parliament, who disrupts Mr Abbott's and the Coalition's progress to government -as an expression of their personal hunger for public recognition and power- should find another playing field. For Australia's sake

It's about time Tony Abbott hauled Mr Turnbull into line. If he can't follow the party line and is determined to be all about himself, he needs to go to the back bench at the very least.
It must be so galling for the Libs to have made such valid inroads into the government's polling just to have Mr Turnbull's ego get in the way.

 

[nioka]

Maybe this is a plan by some in the liberal party to discredit Turnbull. according to some reports it appears that members were advised that these votes wer not critical and even Abbott didnt attend them. Remember that Turnbull only lost the leadership by 1 vote when Abbott challenged him so he has a lot of "friends". It is obvious he also has enemies and they are starting to show who they are. I'll vote for Turnbull. I dont trust or like Abbott.

 

[boofhead]

There are some reports floating around that Abbott missed the same votes as Turnbull. No doubt Labor will make something of that. Could it be a play by Hockey?

 

[trainspotter]

Abbott the Rabbit missed 4 out of the 5 votes missed by Turnbull. Labor is having a field day with it claiming the Liberal Party is in tatters with disunity and infighting. I thought that was the whips job to keep the MPs in line for votes and meetings etc as well as to scold them when they do not turn up?

"The whips were doing their duty in reminding every Coalition member of their duty to attend substantive votes, he said. As for naming people, ''those who miss divisions need to be reminded of their duty''.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/l...of-turnbull-20110527-1f8mx.html#ixzz1NbC6c700

"Mr Abbott slept through a division on the government's $42 billion stimulus package when Mr Turnbull was leader."

Pot kettle black

 

[Julia]

according to some reports it appears that members were advised that these votes wer not critical and even Abbott didnt attend them.

There are some reports floating around that Abbott missed the same votes as Turnbull. No doubt Labor will make something of that. Could it be a play by Hockey?

According to today's "Weekend Australian" Mr Abbott had had a pair arranged for these votes because he had an appt to meet with some visiting personage or something.
But hey, let's not consider that. Much more fascinating to label him a hypocrite.

 

[IFocus]

All is not well in Wonderland

I am quoting from today's Australian by Peter van Onselen the hot bed of lefty attack dog politics.

Actually worth a read

Looks like Abbott is guilty, see the problem is he had to make a discussion other than to say no.

And Tony Abbott - who at the least sighted the email before it was distributed, at worst approved it - needs to understand he is fuelling instability by authorising public insults against colleagues.

Abbott may have implored his partyroom not to make itself the issue the day before the email was sent, but he needs to start taking his own advice.

Hang on hypocrisy is rife

A public insult is what Entsch's email was. By sending it out to the entire lower house team of the opposition, the email was always going to leak. Entsch would have known that, especially given that back in October 2000 he was on the other side of a similar exchange between recalcitrant MPs who missed votes and the then chief whip for the Howard government, Michael Ronaldson.

Looks like a nasty bit of work

Apart from Entsch's sloppiness in not even getting the number of missed divisions by Turnbull and others right in his widely distributed email, he is something of a hypocrite for doing exactly what he found inappropriate more than a decade earlier. Not to mention untruthful.

Lies abound

At first, when asked, Entsch claimed he had acted independently of Abbott and the leader hadn't even seen the email. Later he admitted showing it to Abbott but not to seek approval, only as a courtesy.

Oh dear the Abbottliar at work yet again tisk tisk

Telling lies (or being misleading to be a little kinder) seems to be contagious in the Coalition at the moment. When I spoke to one of Abbott's senior media advisers on Thursday he told me Abbott had no knowledge of the email until after it went out. His office had been pushing that line all over the place. Thanks for the spin, but we now know that to be false.

Leadership setting the standards ....where?

Then there is Abbott's hypocrisy in authorising the Entsch email, remembering that when Turnbull was leader and the vote for or against the government's $42 billion stimulus package happened, Abbott slept through no fewer than five divisions.

For the record, sleeping through five ringings of the bell in Parliament House (he was on the couch in his office) is hard to do. They aren't exactly soft in tone. But Abbott had been at dinner earlier that night consuming copious amounts of alcohol (he said he lost count of the number of bottles of wine drunk when asked about the session by a journalist at the time) with Peter Costello, Peter Dutton and Kevin Andrews. They made it to the vote but Abbott didn't.

Malcolm the Innocent who would have thought

While Turnbull is no doubt happy for others to plumb for his return, or indeed for a promotion to the shadow treasury over his one-time mate Joe Hockey, Turnbull isn't engaging in the sort of backgrounding that he is being accused of. Far from it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...a-little-respect/story-e6frgd0x-1226064365068

 

[noco]

Who is the greatest liar of all time?

It's got a long nose and dyes her RED

You know the one who said " THERE WILL BE NO CARBON DIOXIDE TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT i LEAD ( July 2010)

 

[sails]

Who is the greatest liar of all time?

It's got a long nose and dyes her RED

You know the one who said " THERE WILL BE NO CARBON DIOXIDE TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT i LEAD ( July 2010)

And she is also the one who really should keep her nose in her own corner to sort out her own messes, but prefers to ignore her own mountain of problems and sticky beak in Abbott's corner instead...

One thing labor is good at - and that is making insurmountable mountains out of tiny molehills when it comes to the coalition.

 

[drsmith]

I am quoting from today's Australian by Peter van Onselen the hot bed of lefty attack dog politics.

Quoting The Australian is an interesting weapon of choice.

That's a battle you are not going to win.

 

[Julia]

At first, when asked, Entsch claimed he had acted independently of Abbott and the leader hadn't even seen the email. Later he admitted showing it to Abbott but not to seek approval, only as a courtesy.

Oh dear the Abbottliar at work yet again tisk tisk

Why do you deduce it's Mr Abbott who is lying in this instance?
My assumption on reading the item was that the misrepresentation was by Mr Entsch.

Btw, I'm impressed that at least you can bring yourself to read "The Australian", IF.
Make the most of Peter van Onselen's criticism in this instance. It's indeed rare amongst his dozens of articles criticising the government.

And maybe don't get too carried away by interpreting justifiable criticism of the Coalition in this case as conferring favour on the government by Prof Van Onselen.
I doubt he would see it as such.

 

[sails]

Why do you deduce it's Mr Abbott who is lying in this instance?
...

Julia, its' because that's what labor supporters are doing. They seem to mimic Ms Gillard (oops just typed villard by mistake...lol).

Labor seem to pefer having their noses in Abbott's business rather than fix up their own messes..lol Seems that anything snall thing about the coalition gets ramped way beyond all proportions whilst the labor messes out of all proportion are quietly left alone.

 

[noco]

Julia, its' because that's what labor supporters are doing. They seem to mimic Ms Gillard (oops just typed villard by mistake...lol).

Labor seem to pefer having their noses in Abbott's business rather than fix up their own messes..lol Seems that anything snall thing about the coalition gets ramped way beyond all proportions whilst the labor messes out of all proportion are quietly left alone.

You hit the nail on the head there. One almost gets the feeling the media are trying to prop up JU-LIARfor all they can and wouldn't the LEFTIES LIKE TO SEE A LIFT IN THE POLLS.

 

[Macquack]

LEFTIES LIKE TO SEE A LIFT IN THE POLLS.

No need to yell, comrade.

Just remember the only poll that counts, is on election day.

 

[noco]

No need to yell, comrade.

Just remember the only poll that counts, is on election day.

Yes, the sooner the better. It can't come quick enough for me RED COMRADE and I must include the Queensland election come March2012.

 

[drsmith]

What, if after recent damage to the furniture at the house of Liberal, Labor does not lift significantly in the polls ?

That will be even more interesting.