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Climate right for Turnbull

OK, SO Malcolm Turnbull wants to be Liberal Party leader again.

Those who fancy themselves as in front of him in the conga line that stretches from Tony Abbott's coat-tails and out the party room door might like to say: ''Tell him he's dreaming.'' But is he really?

Perhaps not. After narrowly losing the Liberal leadership to Abbott in December 2009, Turnbull played something of a will-he-won't-he game with voters, especially those in his seat of Wentworth, as he faced the mirror and asked himself honestly if his time had really come and gone so quickly.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/climate-right-for-turnbull-20110521-1exii.html#ixzz1N4vjirfy
 
wayneL said:
I don't believe MT can win. The mood is for a return to neoliberalism and away from the social liberal/social democratic/socialist Fabian clowns that have trashed western economies. This includes Turnbull.
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hmmm what would you call Bush then..................
 
IFocus said:
Joe Hockey most likely to succeed
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...n/comments/joe_hockey_most_likely_to_succeed/
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IF, you must be getting pretty desperate to post the above link by some blogger most of us have never heard of.
Unless something changes radically in Mr Abbott's approach, Joe Hockey has no chance. His recent response to the Budget speech was pathetic, as were his answers to journalists' questions. He does zilch for the Coalition's credibility imo.

IFocus said:
Abbott stands for nothing: Albanese
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Oh, please. What would you expect someone like Albanese to say? That's just an empty statement and typical of the opposition in their panic about their falling numbers.

At the same time, Mr Abbott does have to demonstrate what he truly stands for other than 'stop the boats', 'stop the carbon tax', 'continue generous middle class and upper middle class welfare while brutally punishing those unfortunate enough to be out of work' and 'pay new mothers extraordinarily generous maternity leave in an over populated world'.

Less than inspiring imo.
 
Abbotts hypocrisy......continues........Abbott worshipers look the other way now..........

When Tony Abbott visited the Ford plant in Geelong last week to argue that the carbon tax would wipe out the car industry, he arrived in a Holden.
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While the workers forgave him for that, they might not have been so courteous had they known it was Coalition policy to abolish $500 million in automotive industry assistance.

The Coalition proposed the cut when Abbott put forward $2 billion in budget cuts as an alternative to the government's $1.8 billion flood levy. Nobody at the Ford plant picked it up and Abbott got away with it.
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Dont dare ask any questions of the chosen ones......


When a journalist, Andrew Probyn, asked Joe Hockey about the Coalition's rubbery budget savings at the shadow treasurer's post-budget Press Club speech last week, it was a fair question. Hockey, after all, had boasted the Coalition would return the budget to surplus a year earlier than Labor. But Hockey wrongfully accused Probyn of asking a question written by the government.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...of-stinkers-20110522-1eyqj.html#ixzz1N8yKyPO6
 
Looking for a great opposition leader. Still looking.

That leaves just two others in 40 years - three if you include Tony Abbott - and I'm coming to him.

Two: John Howard and Kevin Rudd. Both were very good opposition leaders and both became Prime Minister.

If they had one thing in common it was a willingness, indeed an obsessive need, to engage intellectually with the media and the public. They sought you out not only to put the boots into the government of the day, but to debate the big issues facing the country. Both were economically rational and both came to the highest office in the land off the back of a positive personal agenda. Both were more than willing to engage their opponent on the detail and the substance of economic decision making.

Based on this week's performance, Tony Abbott still sits with the long list of low achievers.

His populist, contradictory, rhetorical and shallow analysis of the budget has been matched only by the shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey.

For months, both have demanded deep cuts to the budget. But when the government made a modest attempt to prune welfare, they described it as war on the middle classes.

This was not the time to hurt Australians, Joe Hockey protested.

How on earth can you be fiscally tough, and make the necessary cuts, without hurting someone?
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Malcolm Turnbull is the last on the long list of opposition leaders who didn't make it. Well not yet anyway. Watching his face as Abbott delivered the comically named budget-in-reply speech, offering a wry smile as the chamber erupted to the "building an entertainment revolution" gag, you couldn't help but sense he was musing: "Is that all you have to do? What was I thinking?"
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/13/3216341.htm
 
IFocus said:
Looking for a great opposition leader. Still looking.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/13/3216341.htm
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Well I can agree with several points in this article, especially the bit that says:

Previous governments, to the detriment of future generations, turned middle class welfare into an art form...
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While it is is (very) fair comment in criticism of Tone's reply, your use of it to try to score some cheap political point here is a monumental hypocrisy.

Why? Because it is probably a verbatim facsimile of a Labor opposition leader reply to the same situation.

Yep, extremely disappointing from a purported neoliberal, but c'mon IF, you're running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. :rolleyes:
 
wayneL said:
While it is is (very) fair comment in criticism of Tone's reply, your use of it to try to score some cheap political point here is a monumental hypocrisy.

:rolleyes:
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But I bet a comment in a similar context on Juowlia would be okay brother?

:rolleyes:
 
explod said:
But I bet a comment in a similar context on Juowlia would be okay brother?

:rolleyes:
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If I criticized Julia for a policy statement that I in fact supported, you have my blessing in calling me out on it. In fact I challenge you to do so. :rolleyes:
 
Suddenly very slow on this thread. Even heard on my local radio this morning whilst rising that Abbott's in trouble within his own ranks on plain packaging.

Kick me again wain.
 
explod said:
Suddenly very slow on this thread. Even heard on my local radio this morning whilst rising that Abbott's in trouble within his own ranks on plain packaging.

Kick me again wain.
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Don't worry, Explod. The silent majority will do what it needs to do at the next election. It won't depend on activity in this thread...:cautious:

Yes, a few cracks showing in the coalition, but this will test Abbott's leadership ability, imo.
 
Actualy Wayne L, I doubt anybody can be bothered reading back through your posts to prove or disprove your statement.
Most posts here are on current trends and feelings in regard to the performance of Julia, Tony or the various Parties.
In the scheme of things whether you criticized Julia or not, I don't think anyone really gives a Rats Ar$#.:rolleyes:
 
sptrawler said:
Actualy Wayne L, I doubt anybody can be bothered reading back through your posts to prove or disprove your statement.
Most posts here are on current trends and feelings in regard to the performance of Julia, Tony or the various Parties.
In the scheme of things whether you criticized Julia or not, I don't think anyone really gives a Rats Ar$#.:rolleyes:
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Who asked you?

This is between me and explod, who made an accusation.
 
sails said:
Don't worry, Explod. The silent majority will do what it needs to do at the next election. It won't depend on activity in this thread...:cautious:

Yes, a few cracks showing in the coalition, but this will test Abbott's leadership ability, imo.
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Well I like to think we are having a big influence on running the country.
 
explod said:
Not at all, I do have other things besides ASF to attend.
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What?

Well you better get your priorities in order! :p::p:

When have you ever supported Joolia ?
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That is not the point.

The question is not whether I have ever supported Julia G, but whether I have ever criticized her for policy statements that I in fact support, such as I pointed out with Ifocus.
 
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